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new heros are just a distraction to how they added super -em to the game now if laning phase actually matters again that'd be neat. suicidal off-laners have been completely useless for a while now and resulted in a game that's boring as gently caress waiting for everyone to farm then 5-ball the rest of the game.
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Minorkos posted:he isn't saying anything bad about the patch but it still looks like complaining lmao Given the years of awfulness my faith in Valve/Icefraud to do anything right is in the gutter. The game was total utter poo poo in the last patch. I don't know how to be any more optimistic- the small advantages that snowballed is what made the game hard and they removed it entirely. Now it's back, but games are shorter? Yeah.. he's been trying to do that since 2005, I'll play it a little and see. Got all my monies back so it's another idiots problem now
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Dollas posted:lol they finally put in -EM The standard mode of dota is faster than -em ever was. This new one is like 3x -em
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shits all broken and old behavior isn't working right anymore despite not even being adjusted. Valve.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Also worth noting: Everyone was saying people would come back to Dota in droves as soon as the patch hit and if today is anything to go by, they didn't. Peak numbers were around what they usually are. They've also done some widening of the MMR range for ranked, I've noticed. Sometimes you end up in games where everyone is 300-400 MMR below you. 3-400? When was the last time you played dota? 1k is typical.. People raging early about builds on new heroes and reporting. Yeah, not enough, game's dead.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:You do understand that the queue is prioritizing finding people as racist and angry as you instead of using skill ranking, right? uhuh, I also have happy go lucky SJW accounts too
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Luna Was Here posted:Jpj have you ever considered the fact that you wouldn't need alt accounts if you just stopped using the n word if you think that's the only difference I have a bridge I'd like to sell you
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Reality Winner posted:
it doesn't matter when an account gets the 3 flag. I got 16 commends and 3 reports the behavior score on that account was still 3 digits. Now you can't check your number anymore to track it
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Elman posted:Do people still play it there? in CN they do
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TOOT BOOT posted:https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/playerbase-declining-707-effect-and-source-2 because the game is poo poo and catered to retard casuals instead of being the niche game that is really hard to play well because it takes continuous subtle advantages to succeed, and not this hero arena bullshit we see now
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Nov 15, 2017 03:52
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Neurolimal posted:The incredibly rational racist boy: "Actually, the game needs more complicated esoteric features and tedious busywork. That will bring back the western ubermensch to beat back the yellow menace, who hate those things." hey look, guy with a lovely avatar goes straight for the pointless ad hominems instead of addressing the fact that western dota has died and all the changes to bring a new generation of blood into the casual scene and pro scene has done exactly not that, at the expense of the dotards (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 15, 2017 23:55
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turboraton posted:Excuse me? Dota isn't dwindling in literally all the countries you hate. In fact, DOTA is growing around here, loving amazing how you believe spamming slurs in all your games will bring a new generation. hey look, another idiot doubling down on ignorant ad hominems Go through my post history and there is no shortage of my desire to play in CN again, or even settling for RUS or SEA. (I could do without EUE though.. that server was always weird). NA dota is downright low skill and unplayable, especially so for anyone who plays an unselfish playstyle
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IncendiaC posted:Not all that much in the grand scheme of things. Off the top of my head, the following have been simplified or removed: eh not quite The game isn't simpler. More poo poo more mechanics, etc, actually has made the game that much more complex and faster paced, which means it's harder and requires more APM-type skill than ever before (No, microing a courier wasn't hard that hard). It's easier to get to lategame as a newb, but the ceiling has skyrocketed Also, I was always a proponent of making ganking more effective. I enjoy suicide-ganking to kill the carry the most. That has gone from very effective, the minimally effective, to outright throwing in the current game environment. They changed the game so if you aren't 5v5ing as early as 10 minutes, you are going to lose. The comeback mechanics also completely undermined anything this game had to do with economic advantage. Objectives was always good, but not in the way they did it
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oh so they hid MMR and now there's a loving number rank on everyone's names? Egos are going crazy on this poo poo. Just had an AM call me an autist because I said that an AM should beat an ES 1v1. He maxed blink and proceeded to whine all game. Ranked 500 overall! thehehehe this sucks.
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Neurolimal posted:As someone with no interest in ranked mobas at all, anything that makes it harder for a bad to say "whats ur mmr?" In response to any and all suggestions/critiques is a good thing. uhh it's more visible than ever
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Neurolimal posted:That's bad then I mean I guess its only more visible if you don't suck at DotA
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Nanomashoes posted:If he maxes enchant totem he should probably beat AM except you're wrong. AM shouldn't let the ES get anywhere near the creeps for the first three levels, which means he has a huge deny advantage, early ROR, and total lane control in a 1v1.
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Ambivalent posted:idk, im with nano on this the hero with the better and faster attack animation and damage will win, assuming you don't buy stupid poo poo items
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what the royal gently caress is this storm lvl 25 talent poo poo? He just flew across the map and instagibbed the entire team with exploding untargetable bullshit.
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Kild posted:the bugged version or the regular version? IF you skill it mid flip it'll spam them ones it would've done if you skilled it before the flip start all in the same spot. thx. The first time he did it it (and I've ever seen it) it instapopped like 3 of the heroes and he didn't even travel that far. Might explain it
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Dec 3, 2017 18:07
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Kawabata posted:I love Dota! And no it's not fine at all, bleeding 15% of players over a year after a steady growth from 2012 to 2016 is not normal or a good sign, Valve knows it and players have been discussing this for a while now. Even the SA thread is dead as gently caress compared to last year. Holy poo poo you couldn't be more wrong about everything. Concede button takes toxicity and amps it up to 1000. Take this from your grongards. The gameplay now is also complete poo poo unless you like super fast paced high APM, which is exactly what DotA wasn't when it started. It was the low APM alternative to wc3 ladder for people who don't click fast. There were like 5 heroes for people who liked APM, but they weren't impossible to play or necessarily anything more than niche heroes. All I do in games now is dread the stupid boring 15 minute farm fest it takes to get from level 11 to 25 and all of a sudden all 10 heroes have all the 6-slotted plus talent fuckery nightmares that only one or two heroes used to get and only in 60+ minute games. It takes all of the wind out of the build-up. And I'm not even talking about the haste mode or whatever it is. It's no wonder its original base is long gone, they shot them in the face and stomped their corpse. Valve doesn't even make their own game modes anymore, pathetic for the money they make off of this. JollyPubJerk fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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ILL Machina posted:I think this is the only issue I'm bringing up. The game is fun in close comebacks, maybe exclusively. Shared suffering you and your teammates push through. Assuming you're done but still having another twenty minutes usually means it wasn't inevitable and telling people they should consider leaving at twenty and then again for every setback afterward is just a bad option to offer them. For what it's worth this was the old reported opinion of failing company, Valve, and the reason it's not in. Valve's stated reason for it is that giving the winning team the ability to stomp the opponent is more important towards overall satisfaction than worrying about how bad it feels to lose for 20 minutes straight. They then patched the game in a million ways to make comebacks more likely because they wanted to repeat what people considered peak satisfaction the game could provide. Except it backfired entirely and made everything stale, so they said gently caress it and decided to amp everything up to 11. They pretty much destroyed the game and I don't see a path for it going back. They got rid of what made DotA unique to all the copycats without understanding why things worked out so well for it.
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Kawabata posted:I completely disagree with what JollyPubJerk is saying and before the comeback mechanics were in place you'd lose games almost instantly against certain lineups, only to be doomed to forever waste the following 20 to 30 minutes of your life. A game being compromised before minute 8 because someone made some lovely lane choices is/was not stellar game design in spite of what some You're just wrong. First, the game is decided just as much on picks today as it ever has been. If you don't have a good lane situation you get outleveld by 5-6 levels, no exaggeration, before the first typical rotation if they already weren't. As long as the other team isn't retarded, you're hosed. Though picks really don't matter compared to teamwork; teamwork is not always a given. Second, in over 10k games I have maybe 3 ragequits ever, and they were all blackout drunk scenarios I needed recordings to remember. Not a bad ratio. They used to display the ratios, but those are gone now. You keep making up poo poo that simply isn't true. Also, someone like me with that kind of experience knows a whole hell of a lot more about how to win games than the retarded hero spamming 6mo old players who are literally 4k lower MMR in any other role. It requires teamwork, however, and when you have rage emo spammers who think every game is over when they don't get their one trick, and they know they can just hit a button and hope nobody hard counters their one trick the next game, you will NEVER have them stick around to play, or even open up their mind to trying out new things in a losing scenario and seeing if it works. It's absurd there's so many spoiled bitches in the Americas. This isn't a problem in the asian regions and less so in Europe as long as you avoid Brits and Dutch. I have multiple thousands of games in those regions, I ain't just clinging to some stereotype. If I remember correctly, I only saw one person feed a courier in over a thousand games in China, and he typed in English in chat so I'm pretty sure he wasn't native. I can't go 10 games without seeing that on my own team now. Also, when you're in F behavior, trust me, I don't need words at all to piss off the baby manchildren to start feeding couriers and running down lanes. I can simply play a normal game, or finish a creep the lowskill shits I'm stuck with now missed, and they just run into the tower and give-up. So, I'm really not loving concerned about these deprived for attention egos, and Valve's system doesn't actually give a gently caress about making better games and is a complete lie. I have my chat unbinded in half of my games. It doesn't matter. Though at the same time, these retards usually are a few skill levels above the bracket and if they ever do decide to play the game, after being down a whole hell of a lot, can totally embarrass the team who wasn't raging their way through the laning phase. But you probably can't tell the difference between someone raging because your stupid pub rear end isn't actually contributing to the game and this is a team game that unfortunately requires 5 people coordinated now more than ever, from someone raging because they need attention their parents didn't give them and they have all the time in the world so they will just watch their anime poo poo and afk jungle until the next game that they have zero intention on becoming a better player in. JollyPubJerk fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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people keep saying. Also JPJ you were rage dc'ing on half your bad games while streaming so I doubt you're the best person to argue against a concede button. You certainly pressed yours often enough!
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Incoherence posted:The graphs were interesting, but the concept of "if you have a bad lane and your item timing gets delayed, your win rate goes down" feels sort of obvious. The purpose of stats is to see past the obvious. Blink dagger is when Tinker goes from being able to farm to being able to chase people down and be a total pest that's hard to gank. If a Tinker gets an early BoTs but you never let him get to blink you're gosu
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self unaware posted:may 10th one of the biggest issues they had was making the game so snowbally that comebacks only came from the attacking team's mistake, rather than the defending team's disciplined play. reducing the gains from towers and things gives smaller advantages to teams who capitalized on early game mistakes and, generally speaking, allows the actually better team win more often than before. I've had lots of issues with how they've patched the game, but this is finally something in the right direction. Problem was, its 2 years too late. It needed to have came along when hero kill comeback gold became a thing.
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jBrereton posted:yeah it owns that putting effort in during the laning stage is mostly just a pointless waste of mental energy now. that sounds like the play to encourage (??) eh, I see it as getting back to its roots where advantages were tiny between teams and you had to sustain better play over the course of a long period of time to get to a snowbally state. Doesn't mean keeping enemy carry down is fruitless- it's that you have to sustain the pressure on him-- you don't just get a jackpot for killing him once and then have all your items completed and everyone is 5 man pushing lanes against no contest for 5 minutes until they base push you.
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Vando posted:If you tell them to do that they will feed horribly and learn nothing, you've got to give them a platform before saying 'ok now figure out the extreme boundaries of that platform' we've found a worse poster than me
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split core/support queue is many years late, but a great boon to the game I'm still getting two support players who aren't playing support, but at least they're getting LPQ after two games of getting reported for it. And I'm not feeding fighting for offlane and reluctantly playing support on some trash hero who can't do it anymore.
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w00tmonger posted:Haven't played a MOBA in ages. Played a bunch of league way back in the day and more recently hots. just play Lina and go to whatever lane is empty, or join someone on a sidelane. can't go wrong.
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causticBeet posted:The problem with support is laning is too easy now. Between shrines, shekels, free TPs, and comeback gold, it feels like there’s low impact for zoning and ganking in the early game. Especially against the offlane. 9/10 of my games are won/lost in the laning phase because one team has a support actually supporting and the other team has their support running around leeching exp then abandoning the lane he leeched from and ruining everyone's lane. The game is almost all about what the supports are doing. Or if some idiot picks Alchemist or CK. Those heroes are so dumb.
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Minorkos posted:yeah lol As an offlaner, I have to farm behavior score because low behavior 'support' retards still roam constantly and not only gently caress their offlane by abandoning them but then go gently caress the mid lane or something too. The lower skill despite their mmr, but higher behavior score players are at least spergy enough to support the offlane and win the lane. It's quite impossible to play offlane with low behavior right now and I find it hilarious. The old meta it was the perfect position to be since offlane heroes were so strong despite everything being against them. Nowadays, one 2k MMR support in a 6k MMR game sticking around in the safelane is often the difference between being able to dominate the lane or not even getting to level 4 in 10 minutes. But don't ask your support to stay in the offlane, that'll earn you a report and give you more roaming BH retards =) JollyPubJerk fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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So apparently you can see exactly which games you got reported and for what with the following: https://illuminate.dotasphere.com/ About 80% of the reports I get come from games with a BH or POTM support while I was against some trilane and I was behind for all midgame as a result. I even get reported in Turbo games for communication abuse despite never saying a word and winning the game. Kinda funny to see everything come together.
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Andrigaar posted:If this is accurate I almost never get commended, reported, or blocked. I just exist yet don't exist. Either you have to whore for commends or you need to proactively commend teammates if you expect to get much movement. I usually have something for every single game, commends and reports simultaneously lol
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Lady Galaga posted:
I get reported in every game with a support BH and Potm... usually for feeding as I end up stuck against a trilane and get 0 farm, then the whole team blames me for the loss. Lovely system
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Minorkos posted:i get commended in like half my games. my conduct summary has like 15 commends usually, sometimes more than that. the trick is to be quiet most of the time and focus on killing enemy heroes so that your team look "wow my offlane has a lot of kd". i also tell them to relax and not flame each other averaging 33, but the 3 stack reports from the bh/potm and friends every handful of games negates literally all of that
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All the high skill players are taking breaks from the game cause of matchmaking. Either you 5v5 splerge, which most people don't do, or you have ancients in 2/5 of your team. And there is no 'symmetry' whatsoever, that was a total made up lie. 7k mid vs. 4k mid, good luck game's over in 15 minutes wait 20 minutes for your next one. e: Just queued into a game where my safelane naix farmed a midas AFTER they took one set of rax. Mind you, this is after I dominated the offlane WK+Willow and had their mid gank bottom for 8 straight minutes because it was getting wrecked so badly. Supposedly an 'immortal' game, but I've seen more brain cells used in turbo mode herald bracket. 4k hero damage safelane core! JollyPubJerk fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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MoaM posted:I think it's better?... My lowest mmr just faced their highest mid (about 900 mmr difference between the two), got completely stomped. My 4 position support thought just buying wards is enough to earn praise. Feels exactly the same to me.
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