Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Egbert Souse posted:

Also worth saying that Riefenstahl actually served some time in prison and regretted (somewhat) her involvement with the Nazis.

Riefenstahl personally chose people from concentration camps to serve as extras in her movies and later denied it. gently caress her.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2017 18:01

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 12:16

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

DrVenkman posted:

I think Franken's statement on it is refreshingly honest given the poo poo we've heard recently.

"I certainly don�t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way"

How is is this " refreshingly honest"?

# ¿ Nov 16, 2017 19:28

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

MisterBibs posted:

The Franco stuff is hard for me to get a bead on, personally. Dudes obviously a bit of a creep (his earlier creep stuff comes to mind) and pressuring someone into giving head is not cool, but at the same time I'm not particularly empathetic over the women upset that most of the films they got roles for had nude scenes.

Like, if you're that against it, have a no nudity contract. Pretty sure even the freshest of newbie actors can do that, and I can understand a director getting upset that someone who signed on for being willing to go nude/topless suddenly does a 180 over it on the set.

And I guess this is more of a Hollywood Question, but can you really just say "hey let's add a group sex scene to this movie!" on the fly? I figure something like that would be a logistical nightmare.

Salma Hayek posted:

He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.

He had been constantly asking for more skin, for more sex. Once before, Julie Taymor got him to settle for a tango ending in a kiss instead of the lovemaking scene he wanted us to shoot between the character Tina Modotti, played by Ashley Judd, and Frida.

But this time, it was clear to me he would never let me finish this movie without him having his fantasy one way or another. There was no room for negotiation.

I had to say yes. By now so many years of my life had gone into this film. We were about five weeks into shooting, and I had convinced so many talented people to participate. How could I let their magnificent work go to waste?

# ¿ Jan 25, 2018 21:04

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

kaworu posted:

I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well...

Actually, the film is really quite apropos to this discussion, and in my opinion expatiates how Haneke views accusations of sexual improprieties against a respectable everyman in the community. The most terrifying point he makes (I thought) was that he does not really seem to feel that it *matters* whether the accuser is actually telling the truth, because (Haneke posits) the man in question suffers a great deal of injustice regardless, and people accused of sexual crimes (especially against children) will be ostracized and be ruined forever even if the accusation is false and proven false. It's a troubling hypothesis he makes, because there is of course a degree of truth there, but he is so consumed with the plight of the poor innocent white man that the film doesn't even really allow for characters other than the white men to have a legitimate emotional reality - instead, the women are more like conspiring antagonists in the film.

Anyway, I'll shut up. My only point is that after seeing that film I cannot help but scoff at anything Haneke could possibly say on this subject.

Haneke didn't direct that movie and it is also based on a case in Norway where the lives of seven people were ruined because of false accusations of sexual assault.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2018 19:23

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Groovelord Neato posted:

it is loving insane that chris brown recovered.

2Pac was a convicted rapist and people still treat him as some kinda hip hop saint.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2018 15:31

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Inescapable Duck posted:

Knowing very little about the rap/hip hop scene other than cultural osmosis, it seems like you're considered a little behind on your cred if you HAVEN'T been in prison at some point, or at least gotten shot, addicted to drugs or having dealt them.I mean, the whole thing kinda is built on making confrontational and boundary-breaking art out of their shared terrible experiences with poverty, racism and crime.

Even if that was true, being arrested and convicted for sexual assault is not good for your street cred. Which is why it tends to be downplayed when people talks about how complex and conflicted his life was (the biopic for example straight out accused the victim).

STAC Goat posted:

Tupac was all over the place and dead at 25 and I think that's what makes him so interesting as a character study because he seems like he died before he became the man he would have been and we don't really know which way he was gonna go.

It's impossible to say how he would have felt about it if he had gotten older, but when he was alive he was pretty unrepentant about it:

2Pac posted:

Who you callin' rapist?
Ain't that a bitch
You devils are so two faced
Wanna see me locked in chains, dropped in shame
And gettin' stalked by these crooked cops again

# ¿ Apr 3, 2018 17:47

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I dunno, the cop is definitely responsible for the child, but ultimately the other person did consent even if they didn't have all the facts. You can't retroactively retract consent just because you found out something you didn't like about a person.

I think you can if that person actively lied about the facts.

Alhazred fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 11, 2018

# ¿ Jun 11, 2018 17:24

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Tagichatn posted:

I lied to my wife when I said I like her pancakes better than my grandma's. It'll be hard to tell my son he's a product of rape but I need to do my part to educate him.

Actively concealing the fact that you're a cop who's there on to spy on a person and lying about liking pancakes is not the same. What the gently caress?

# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 06:57

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

esperterra posted:

What if the woman isn't a suspect and is just someone he met through the people who are?

That's not what happened.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 08:05

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

teacup posted:

Guys is this really the problem we should be debating? Like I get it�s a problem for that woman but is this an epidemic level thing that needs addressing?

If people think that actively deceiving people into having sex with them is okay then, yes we should debate this.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 13:52

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Ubik_Lives posted:

You can still argue that obtaining consent through dishonesty isn't really obtaining consent, but it's a totally different issue than abusing power structures to obtain consent.

Having sex with the ones you're spying om while undercover is the very definition of abusing power structures to obtain consent.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 16:16

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Ubik_Lives posted:

How so? How is your decision on having sex with someone impacted by a police operation you have no awareness of?

Because the cop is still in a position of power.

quote:

If we as a society decide that it's super creepy to have undercover cops banging prime suspects then locking them up, and then change their codes of conduct, and then a cop does it anyway while still getting intelligence on the suspect, that would be an abuse of a power structure. But I'm guessing that's not the case here.

Operation Herne's author, Derbyshire Chief Constable Mick Creedon, says that training for undercover operations has hugely improved down the years and it is now underpinned by clear law thanks to the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.

"There are and never have been any circumstances where it would be appropriate for such covertly deployed officers to engage in intimate sexual relationships with those they are employed to infiltrate and target.

"Such an activity can only be seen as an abject failure of the deployment, a gross abuse of their role and their position as a police officer and an individual and organisational failing."

# ¿ Jun 12, 2018 17:00

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Snowman_McK posted:

The irony is that if that guy had actually had a porn site, he probably would have been fine.

Using threats (he said that if they wanted work they had to have sex with him) to obtain consent is still illegal. So he wouldn't have been fine.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2018 11:05

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

esperterra posted:

So did he lie or threaten/coerce

Yes.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2018 11:17

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

esperterra posted:

Oh LiLo ...

Yes. it's truly shocking that Lindsay Lohan would say or do something incredible stupid:

# ¿ Aug 12, 2018 16:22

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

# ¿ Sep 9, 2018 10:44

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Chris James 2 posted:

Bryan Singer in talks to direct Red Sonja

Red Sonja is one of those movies that multiple directors has been in talks to direct and yet it will never be made.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2018 08:33

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

Who knows how that will turn out.

Badly.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2018 15:00

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

If that sounds a little hinky, legality-wise, well, the Brooklyn Federal Court thought so too; among the charges being levied against Mack, one is for forced labor conspiracy, accusing her of keeping a number of women working under her via threat of harm. Per Deadline, though, Mack�s lawyers have issued a somewhat novel rebuttal of the claims: Scientology did it first.

Not, to be clear, the �burning your initials into another person�s pubic region� parts�that�s a NXIVM original, allegedly�but Mack�s lawyers are saying that there�s no fundamental differences between the group�s practices, and Scientology�s policy of branding people who leave the organization as �dissidents,� cut off from family and friends who remain within the group. That�s relevant thanks to a 2009 court ruling, which found that those psychological pressures didn�t rise to the level of �threat of serious harm� required to trigger the country�s forced labor statutes, so if Mack is guilty, the argument runs, then Scientology must be, too.
No regret, no sense of wrong doing. gently caress her.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2018 17:23

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Bust Rodd posted:

LoL at holding up Scientology as a defense of how to treat your sex slaves.

The lawyers has given up on claiming she's innocent and realized that only a legal loophole can save her from doing time.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2018 19:30

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Chris James 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/MikeLeePearl/status/1079544181930872833

I mean, it's not that different from what he used to joke about.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2018 13:15

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

sponges posted:

Personally I think he�s permanently tarnished his reputation and as a lot of his material was left wing he�s going to have to a complete 180.

He already had a bit about how abortion is murder, so I don't know about that.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2018 15:49

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

chitoryu12 posted:

Drake also has a really creepy relationship with Millie Bobby Brown that smacks of a grooming attempt. Like the guy is one of the most open predators out there but somehow nobody gives a poo poo.

Pusha T gives a poo poo. He gives all the shits.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2019 20:05

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

CelticPredator posted:

I dunno, but Sam Raimi is a saint.

I'm pretty sure Bruce Campbell disagrees with that.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2019 21:51

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Alan_Shore posted:

So what do you all make of this then?

https://twitter.com/santikapowski/status/1100828185963479042

Victims of abuse doesn't behave rationally.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2019 14:23

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

NiceGuy posted:

Ugh. The Drake stuff is gross as gently caress and it's super depressing that all this poo poo recently came out about MJ and R Kelly and still nobody seems to be taking his predatory behavior seriously.

Well, nobody except Pusha T.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2019 19:09

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

You know you're hosed if the Saudi government thinks that you're a scumbag.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2019 11:43

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Krankenstyle posted:

I know it sounds stupid but can this thread stick to the entertainment industry?

Smallville's Allison Mack pleads guilty in NXIVM sex cult case

# ¿ Apr 8, 2019 19:13

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

aware of dog posted:

Moby responds in a way that definitely proves he is not a creep
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1131304001209819136?s=21

https://twitter.com/PtakJokes/status/1131585304610131971

# ¿ May 27, 2019 18:14

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Coffee And Pie posted:

John CHEESE, not John Cleese

Lets nor forget that John Cleese also has very stupid opinions about "pc-culture" and that he's not afraid to share them with the world.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2019 18:35

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Drunkboxer posted:

I guess a lot of people did what I did and watched it specifically because it looked incredibly stupid. My bad.

That is specifically how Netflix marketed it.

# ¿ Jun 19, 2019 18:16

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

They could just be accurate and call it "child pornography".

That's not more accurate or better. Calling it "child pornography" makes it worse for the victims because it's using the same terms that the abuser uses and because it is not something rthat any sane person would think of as pornography. It's better to call it for what it is "documented child abuse".

# ¿ Jul 14, 2019 20:26

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Darko posted:

I'm thinking "sex tape" brings the right thing to mind, because since Anderson/Hilton, it's what society knows as taping oneself as having sex with someone else.

But this isn't a taping of two persons having sex, it is a taping of one person committing rape. We should call it for what it is.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2019 07:36

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Cracked.com, of all places, has an article about how everybody knew that R. Kelly married Aaliyah when she was 15 but that it was okay because she wore a midriff:
https://www.cracked.com/article_26723_how-media-couldve-killed-r.-kellys-career-decades-ago.html

# ¿ Sep 30, 2019 16:34

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

British directors has created 96 guidelines for filming sex scenes:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/nov/21/rules-for-screen-sex-scenes-issued-to-british-directors

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 16:43

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Steve Yun posted:

There was a great bit by Louis CK about how women are brave because every guy they ever date might end up being a rapist or murderer and the survival of the human race depends on women getting over that fear and taking a chance on men.

Too bad it was by Louis CK!

Louis CK had some really progressive jokes. Its honestly baffling that, considering what he said on stage, he didn't understand that what he was doing was wrong

# ¿ Jan 21, 2020 12:51

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

More than anything I think that defending rape victims is completely soul destroying. If you're defending a murderer all you have to do is say that your client isn't the murderer, you don't also have to say that the victim had it coming because she was a dumb slut.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2020 19:51

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Its a little easier to forgive professional sports income when you remember that most of these guys are gonna be completely unemployabld by thirty

Yeah, it's not like they can be tv analysts, go into public speaking, promote a clothing brand, coaches or living of a fortune that most people will never ever be close to getting.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2020 19:10

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Basebf555 posted:

If he actually does do something in the range of 3-5 years, he may not survive the experience. So there's that.

Looking at him it's surprising that he has survived so long as he has.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2020 18:53

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 12:16

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

It also went straight to Netflix.

Didn't it fo really well there? Netflix started to talk about a sequel almost the second after it was released.

# ¿ Feb 28, 2020 12:26

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