Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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I cannot emphasize enough that the Daily Mail is a bottom-tier trash rag that you shouldn't read for anything, ever. British tabloids are beyond worthless even compared to American tabloids.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2017 06:55

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 20:32

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Jeremy Piven has now accumulated three sexual assault allegations.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2017 19:47

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DC Murderverse posted:

Who has a career after sexual assault accusations will probably depend on a number of things. Severity of the accusations, the number, what direction your career was trending prior to the accusations, talent and quality of the work, who your friends are, how famous the person/people accusing you are, how old you are, if you deny vs. if you own up to it, etc. There's no single equation to decide whether or not someone will ever work in this town again, and it might be a very, very long process, but it won't be impossible for some fo these men to continue working, or to lay low for a while and then return slowly.

Look at Mel Gibson, for example. He came to America in the mid-1980s and during the first decade or so, he was a huge star who dealt with alcoholism quite a bit, and didn't really lack for work when he wanted it and starred in a huge action franchise. He said some dumb homophobic poo poo in the early 90s but that didn't really put a damper on his career. He continued essentially normally until Passion came out, when he started to get criticism for his anti-semitism, and then in 2006, right before Apocalypto came out was the first incident that actually affected his career (the DUI/Sugartits thing) and it took about 5 years (during which the tapes of him yelling horrible racist abuse at his second wife came out) before Jodie Foster put him in The Beaver, then another 4 years (during which RDJ advocated for forgiving Gibson) before Hacksaw Ridge came out and everyone loved it and now he's in a big comedy coming out tomorrow. It took famous friends and high quality work, but a violently abusive anti-semite got work again within 10 years of getting arrested for a DUI and blaming the Jews for ruling the world and yelling that he hoped his wife would get raped by a pack of n******. Weinstein might be long gone, but I definitely don't think we've seen the last of guys like Spacey or Louie. People liked them too much before, and they're too talented, for better or worse. They'll get one gig, and then people will say "hey i remember him" and they'll go on some big apology tour and Hollywood will welcome them back with open arms.

Louie might get back to the inner circle in 5-10 years, but Spacey may very well go to jail, there's now a makeshift survivor community of people he's abused. Multiple stories paint him as a huge rear end in a top hat even if he didn't try to tug on your junk. He's beyond done.

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# ¿ Nov 10, 2017 14:03

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Mel Gibson was AAA list with powerful friends, in an era where this was frankly a less important issue. He had ugly marriage breakups (involving restraining orders), he's an antisemite fundy, and he's mysteriously gotten breaks from law enforcement whenever they felt they could chance to give him one. If he were any ordinary person, to find him you'd have to look in the bottom of a hole somewhere.

# ¿ Nov 10, 2017 18:35

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MacheteZombie posted:

https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/929050106246115329

Well this is miles better than "I choose now to live my life as a gay man"

# ¿ Nov 10, 2017 19:33

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whatever7 posted:

Blue Jasmine is very good, and Husband and Wives/Crimes and Misdemeanor/Bullets Over Boardways/etc was Woody Allen's strongest period IMO.

I have to admit I skip over most of his new works nowadays.

Woody Allen movies have become something that you star in because you are letting it be known that you want to be taken seriously as an acteur. It's become a waste byproduct of the Hollywood conveyor belt. Do a Woody Allen picture and get your name tossed in the hat for other productions. And when you star, by extension you are also strengthening his position as the "beloved" Woody Allen and making it more difficult for others to name names.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2017 01:08

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http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/richard-dreyfuss-accused-of-exposing-himself-to-woman.html

Someone made an allegation against Richard Dreyfuss.

https://medium.com/@anthonyedwards/yes-mom-there-is-something-wrong-f2bcf56434b9

Anthony Edwards says Gary Goddard is a real bad dude.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2017 20:50

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You will probably have to wait for more people to come out against Takei to get rid of the "I'm just asking questions" crowd.

Louis CK had a similar buffer, but in his case it was "Well it's just sexual misconduct among friends," and literally the only reason that melted away is because CK went "Yeah, this was dead wrong and I'm taking a break."

# ¿ Nov 12, 2017 23:16

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Also worth noting: This has highlighted that the Howard Stern show is considered a horrific-behavior-safe-space by everyone. Nothing the president of the United States said on Stern has mattered, people just laugh it off because it's been around so long, and I think the implicit assumption being made is that it's all jokes.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2017 23:21

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Nothing should really be surprising about Tom Sizemore.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2017 23:34

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http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/bryan-cranston-believes-kevin-spacey-harvey-weinstein-second-chance-sexual-harassment-1201897266/

Cranston guilty of abusing his mouth with his foot. In deep need of message management at minimum.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2017 21:07

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Weinstein will be arrested if he steps foot in New York again. Exactly what he would come back to - - running a company? Lmbo - - cannot be demonstrated.

Spacey has enough accusers that they are forming a support network. Robert Rodriguez might need him for something in 10 years, I guess. He is 58 and probably doesn't even need to work.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2017 21:32

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The amount of people tripping over each other in this thread and in general to describe how we could get Weinstein alone, a monster, back into the fold, is quite incredible.

Weinstein is a serial rapist, who people didn't like even when they didn't know that about him. Stop fanfictioning about him "coming back into the fold," it's weird.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2017 23:04

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teagone posted:

Definitely does make you stop to consider that the story is fabricated, but yeah, I won't dismiss it until facts drop and official statements are made. Though either way, the situation is messed up.

I'm just not entirely convinced a thing Gal Gadot did when she was 19 or something matters all that much either way.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2017 05:15

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peer posted:

Stallone too, apparently

(warning: daily mail + gross details)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5081605/Sylvester-Stallone-accused-forcing-teen-threesome.html

I'll care about this when it's in a real paper.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2017 19:30

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zandert33 posted:

I guess the police report is a fake?

I really just don't want to read Daily Mail's mentally ill formatting style or give them clicks, and if there's any credibility to anything in the Mail, it will show up in a paper worth reading, which this did. People should stop linking Daily Mail poo poo.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2017 01:16

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I do really wish we could shy away from extrapolating which artists we think are predators based on the art they made (Larry Clark notwithstanding)

It would also probably be good to stop "Waiting for the other shoe to drop on [x]" posts. Substantiate or gently caress off with that poo poo.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2017 19:47

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"Oh no. Not Gene Simmons too," said nobody ever.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2017 01:04

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precision posted:

Lena Dunham herself admitted to abusing her little sister, and defended it.

Not surprised at all about Gene Simmons, but I'm waiting on women to come forward about Metallica because I know for a fact they've done stuff like, "for example", sticking drum sticks up groupie's asses and then making them lick them and taking pictures of it. Allegedly. And by allegedly I mean "I know someone who's seen the pictures". I highly doubt they were all over 18. Highly. Allegedly.

Oh Christ, bands with groupies, there's an untapped goldmine of sexual assault stories there.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2017 06:59

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Darko posted:

I'm not sure about how this one reads.

"I took a picture with him, he got too close and reached around and grabbed my rear end instead of my hip or side, I posted the pic and my godly religious family said it wasn't the required space between a man and a woman, meanwhile, I met a Republican senator right afterwards who asked my politely to even touch and let's hear a statement about how great he is, from him now" doesn't read well, no matter what happened.

Yeah this one's loving lame and barely newsworthy. It reads like someone biting off a little more than they can chew attention-wise.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 21:20

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...m=.a581f0754e2f

Add Charlie Rose to the growing shitpile.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 22:46

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Hat Thoughts posted:

https://twitter.com/GlynnMacN/status/932733897015783424

The world is gross as gently caress and there is no hope.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 23:30

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DrVenkman posted:

Though they're far from ironclad, Jeremy Piven voluntarily submitted himself to, and passed, a polygraph test in his accusation case.

Not only are they not ironclad, they're worthless.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2017 01:11

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Grouchio posted:

House of Cards to Resume Filming without Kevin Spacey

How the hell are they going to do that?
President Underwood would get assassinated off-screen, his vice president takes over, and suddenly this isn't House of Cards anymore.

Worth noting a couple of things:

1) House of Cards is a really bad show anyway

2) Frank Underwood isn't president in the show anymore, so he's easily written out

# ¿ Nov 27, 2017 23:12

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This certainly puts Lauer's roundly-criticized interview of Hillary Clinton in an even harsher light.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 19:01

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Keillor has always been considered a reclusive weirdo, but I've never heard bad stories about him. People usually find the Prairie Home Companion annoying enough by itself.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 19:06

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

That's really funny, because it's one of the only non-softball interviews either candidate got. Journalism is debased.

Sure, but instead of a substantive interview it was more "BUT YOUR EMAILS" poo poo, while Trump got softballed despite doing his normal absurdist clown routine.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/29/16715478/matt-lauer-today-hillary-clinton-anne-hathaway-interviews

Essentially, Matt Lauer being terrible has been an open secret so long that this firing comes decades too late.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 21:22

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Timby posted:

Yeah, I mean, didn't CBS wind up offering a poo poo-ton of money to get Katie Couric to jump because it was known she hated Lauer, and then Curry was basically bullied off the show (presumably because she wouldn't sleep with him), as I recall.

Somehow it was kept out of the press that it was always sex stuff in so many words, but really the breadcrumb trail is everywhere.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 22:44

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Basebf555 posted:

Even if we go with what the current polls say, that Moore is up 5-7 points(I believe the truth is much worse than that), how are you expecting that lead to come down when the guy is already a known child molester? There's literally nothing that could happen between now and election day that would change people's mind's, it's finished.

That's not what the polls say

# ¿ Dec 6, 2017 18:39

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Origami Dali posted:

I just read Salma Hayak's new NYT article about her experience with Weinstein. A good read, but ugh.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-col-top-region

Article centers around the price Hayek had to pay to get Frida done.

quote:

The deal we made initially was that Harvey would pay for the rights of work I had already developed. As an actress, I would be paid the minimum Screen Actors Guild scale plus 10 percent. As a producer, I would receive a credit that would not yet be defined, but no payment, which was not that rare for a female producer in the �90s. He also demanded a signed deal for me to do several other films with Miramax, which I thought would cement my status as a leading lady.

I did not care about the money; I was so excited to work with him and that company. In my na�vet�, I thought my dream had come true. He had validated the last 14 years of my life. He had taken a chance on me � a nobody. He had said yes.

Little did I know it would become my turn to say no.

No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn�t even involved with.

No to me taking a shower with him.

No to letting him watch me take a shower.

No to letting him give me a massage.

No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

No to letting him give me oral sex.

No to my getting naked with another woman.

No, no, no, no, no �

And with every refusal came Harvey�s Machiavellian rage.

I don�t think he hated anything more than the word �no.� The absurdity of his demands went from getting a furious call in the middle of the night asking me to fire my agent for a fight he was having with him about a different movie with a different client to physically dragging me out of the opening gala of the Venice Film Festival, which was in honor of �Frida,� so I could hang out at his private party with him and some women I thought were models but I was told later were high-priced prostitutes.

The range of his persuasion tactics went from sweet-talking me to that one time when, in an attack of fury, he said the terrifying words, �I will kill you, don�t think I can�t.�

When he was finally convinced that I was not going to earn the movie the way he had expected, he told me he had offered my role and my script with my years of research to another actress.

In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn�t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.

At that point, I had to resort to using lawyers, not by pursuing a sexual harassment case, but by claiming �bad faith,� as I had worked so hard on a movie that he was not intending to make or sell back to me. I tried to get it out of his company.

He claimed that my name as an actress was not big enough and that I was incompetent as a producer, but to clear himself legally, as I understood it, he gave me a list of impossible tasks with a tight deadline:

1. Get a rewrite of the script, with no additional payment.

2. Raise $10 million to finance the film.

3. Attach an A-list director.

4. Cast four of the smaller roles with prominent actors.

Much to everyone�s amazement, not least my own, I delivered, thanks to a phalanx of angels who came to my rescue, including Edward Norton, who beautifully rewrote the script several times and appallingly never got credit, and my friend Margaret Perenchio, a first-time producer, who put up the money. The brilliant Julie Taymor agreed to direct, and from then on she became my rock. For the other roles, I recruited my friends Antonio Banderas, Edward Norton and my dear Ashley Judd. To this day, I don�t know how I convinced Geoffrey Rush, whom I barely knew at the time.

Later she adds a sex scene at Harvey's behest, which she strongly implies occurred because Harvey had to sexually assault her somehow.

Name Change fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 18, 2017

# ¿ Dec 13, 2017 21:53

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Desperado Bones posted:

SO...how long are Weinstein's tentacles of influence, internationally speaking? I ask that because Salma got some really nasty attacks over the Frida movie on my country's media. From people saying she wasn't fit to the role, she was ugly looking, a terrible actress, to giving bad reviews of the movie while in production. But then out of sudden, literally from one day to the other, the same media went out to say she was the best actress ever and that was the best movie ever and couldn't stop praising her. It was a moment.

Lots of people in the industry carry water for big shots in exchange for access or kickbacks. When the movie gets made and Harvey wants to make money on his investment, that's when the news gets a glow.

That's why reading Hollywood Reporter and other industry rags can be dangerous, it's a public relations battlefield used by people who are real petty and weird.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2017 01:24

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DC Murderverse posted:

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/941845076761747457

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/941845387928727552

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/941845696767913984

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/941846006957686784

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/941846330867007489

This is some serious poo poo and he's right to keep talking about it. Openness is the best protection.

edit: also despite the horrifying realities of his situation, "somehow they thought he was the 'king of black people'" is hilarious.

As much as this seems like hyperbolic conspiracy theory, you would be a fool to believe Harvey Weinstein was the only guy in town with an intelligence service at his disposal.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2017 06:14

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DC Murderverse posted:

here's a quick lesson in How Not To Apologize for Sexual Harassment, by Mario Batali

https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/941830519280492544

I choose now to live my life as a fat rapist

# ¿ Dec 17, 2017 00:45

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Frankly I admire his sheer, utter gormlessness.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2017 01:22

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I mean gently caress I used to think that Hans Blix was a dumbass and we had to bomb Iraq not to get rid of WMDs but just to get it over with. I was a very difficult person in 2003 and I'm a difficult person now even if I believe in Gay Socialism Now and hanging Trump from the neck until dead. As far as I'm concerned it's like the comedian said, Fieri is living the dream.

# ¿ Dec 18, 2017 03:20

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TJ Miller doesn't really get parts where he's not playing TJ Miller.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2017 09:56

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I didn't realize there was a bartender school. But I guess if you are above dive level you need to know how to mix a drink.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2017 19:30

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I think the quintessential unsafe set story is the Vic Morrow helicopter incident.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident

# ¿ Dec 25, 2017 22:21

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Hockles posted:

That's how this whole side-track got started. Talking about Max Landis and his dad John.

That's what I get for viewing on mobile while on Christmas vacation.

# ¿ Dec 26, 2017 10:13

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 20:32

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Timby posted:

Both David Yates and JK Rowling doubled down on the casting of Johnny Depp as Grindelwald, and Yates literally can't stop talking about it, popping up every other month to tell reporters that "it's a dead issue." They absolutely did not give a poo poo.

If more stories drop about Depp--the chance of which nears 100%--they will live to regret that.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2017 03:25

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