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I now feel extremely bad for saying that I hope nothing bad comes out about Richard Dreyfuss because, uh, welp: https://www.avclub.com/actor-harry-dreyfuss-says-kevin-spacey-groped-him-when-1820148704
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I was going to say "Wes Anderson nooooo" then remembered the incredibly out of place sexualized scene between two pre-teens in Moonrise Kingdom. Still a great movie and compared to everything else it's really tame but it struck me as super out of place, even if the themes of the scene were on message. Wim Wenders though? 
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Nov 5, 2017 23:36
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In the indie rock world, usually the worst you get is married couples writing songs about each other while in the same band. For the most part, everyone is too polite (or obsessed with being seen as polite) to do anything creepy (except on a local level, but that's just people being people). And it's just as often female on male predatory behavior when it does happen.
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DC Murderverse posted:I'm gonna call bullshit on this because I've seen enough articles on Pitchfork and Stereogum in the last year about people being kicked out of bands or having accusers come out and tell their stories that it's probably just as bad, just that it's spread out since all of Indie Rock isn't based out of one or two cities as much as the Film/TV industry are. Yeah I was actually originally going to put in a disclaimer that I was talking about 90s-00s style actual "indie indie rock", not acts like those. Think Yo La Tengo, Pavement and The Breeders, not Arcade Fire and Crystal Castles level bands. e: and to be clear, I've been deeply involved in that scene for a very long time, so I'm going off my own extensive experiences here
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Nov 6, 2017 03:29
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Speaking of Rose McGowan, I have to think Gregg Araki is on the chopping block. I'm honestly amazed he hasn't had anyone come forward yet.
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DC Murderverse posted:any particular reason, other than that McGowan was 16 when they filmed Doom Generation? I've heard really good things about a lot of his movies, especially Mysterious Skin. There were always rumors about him being a Larry Clark style horndog, but in retrospect, that may have been a John Waters style "confusing art with artist" deal. I quite like his films and hope he's not a creep.
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Louis CK's publicist is named "Lewis Kay"? Is that a joke? 
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Nov 10, 2017 00:08
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I don't think it's helping to fall into the trap that women can't or don't do this stuff too though. It just makes the women who do feel like they're untouchable because nobody would believe other women or men coming forward about them. I've been abused by women who had power over me, it probably happens less as a de facto function of more men being in power but absolutely not because women are inherently less scummy than men.
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Nov 10, 2017 02:24
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One thing I worry about is the inevitable first false accusation, as it will start casting doubt on every accuser, and in some of these cases there is literally no way to "prove" that the incident took place (eg when someone is dead, as with Corey Haim). We try to live by "innocent until proven guilty" but when it comes to things like this, we (myself very much included) tend to just automatically believe everyone who comes forward. But it's naive in the extreme to think there just won't be false accusations.
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Nov 10, 2017 05:35
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basic hitler posted:Brace yourself for backlash in general. Someone will get hit by this that the general public really likes, and can't accept the accusations against. Didn't that already happen with Cosby though? Or hell, OJ Simpson?
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Nov 10, 2017 06:00
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Unless I missed something, the only thing Paul Reubens did was jerk off in a porn theater by himself. Shouldn't have even been a scandal.
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Nov 10, 2017 15:23
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Yeah, I was just making sure I hadn't missed anything. It is remarkably difficult to figure out how you're supposed to "come forward" with information if you don't have a lawyer or any money to hire one and are not a famous person. A friend of mine wants to do so but has no idea how.
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Nov 10, 2017 15:35
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He should have more clearly said "I am sorry" but that statement is still miles better than what I thought would happen. To me it seems like he genuinely understands how hosed up what he did was, and like Darko said:Darko posted:My response to all of that is that we just need to do better, as men, and teach other men better, and then we might not have to worry about making mistakes in the future. But when it comes to the Weinsteins of the world, it's just a clear "screw that crap, no excuse for being a predator." Also, Ellen Page is my hero for being the first person to say "I regret doing a Woody Allen movie". Finally.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:59
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DC Murderverse posted:I've always wondered, when big-name actors fly across the Atlantic on a 10+ hour plane ride to Europe to film a movie with Roman Polanski, if they ever give a thought to the reason they have to fly all that way. Like, it has to come up in their brain, right? "This guy raped a 14 year old and ran away from the consequences" has to show up somewhere, right? do they justify it because he's such a great artist, or do they try to play it off as not that bad, or that he's done his time? or do they just push it as far out of their mind as possible because it can help their career? Obviously "i was young and regret it now" makes sense, especially for someone whose career is still up in the air. Yeah, it's insane to me. Like, I have no problem with people saying that Polanski is talented, and like I said earlier, I even managed to enjoy The Ninth Gate, but that's still a far cry from actively being in one of his movies. I know greed is a strong motivator and all but man... I do think it's some combination of "that was a long time ago" and willfull ignorance. I can't imagine how people work with him or Allen without just punching them in the face.
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DC Murderverse posted:Imagine going to Europe to make a movie with Polanski and having it end up one of his lesser works. Like, Adrian Brody probably ended up benefitting long term from starring in The Piano The Pianist. The Piano was Jane Campion.
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This is going to create a dumpster fire of  so many of these are turning out to be gay men preying on young guys poo poo
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I have to imagine Michael Stipe is frantically trying to remember if he carded every young guy he did crystal meth with. I mean, he even wrote a song about it.
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Nov 11, 2017 04:58
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He can't deny that he married his adopted daughter.
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Nov 11, 2017 09:07
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Well, yeah, technically. And "technically" Louis CK asked before he whipped his dick out...
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Nov 11, 2017 11:23
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Tars Tarkas posted:Gal Gadot is refusing to do Wonder Woman 2 unless ties are completely severed with Brett Ratner Given how things are going and how WW did, I think she would have gotten her wish even if she hadn't made that demand.
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basic hitler posted:Uhh, Wonder Woman is the best movie so far in that dumpster fire of a cinematic universe. Gal Godot's wonder woman is one of the few thinks making anything watchable. I'd say out of anyone, she has the most pull here. ...that's exactly what I meant though? Meaning that they would have dumped Ratner no matter what because of What's Goin' On
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Nov 12, 2017 05:06
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Hollismason posted:Now get ready for some real talk it's not uncommon for younger men as 15 to 17 to have consensual relationships with much older men. It's not something I condone but for a lot of gay men their first consensual homosexual.encounter is with someone who is older. Many people don't think that 15-17 year olds are old enough to properly consent. Would you say the same thing about 15-17 year old girls who have "consensual" sex with (sometimes much) older men? Not a rhetorical question, just wondering. I mean hell, a whole lot of people get up in arms when older men and younger women get together even when they're in a location where it's absolutely legally above-board.
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Hollismason posted:The problem is that sometimes those relationships are consensual and that makes people very uncomfortable and by the way I don't really think those are still appropriate event if there is consent. The problem is that society is too "sex positive" to tell people that things that are legal and consensual can still be psychologically harmful. You hear it all the time, as in "don't kinkshame". As a society, we should move towards the idea that things can feel good but be bad for you. To be less oblique and speak from experience: I have had sexual relations with a troubling number of women who were into some pretty dark poo poo in the bedroom. Rape roleplay, that kind of thing. Now to be clear, that sort of thing can be okay, but for it to be okay there has to be a gently caress ton of communication and understanding of where the bedroom stops and real life begins. But as time goes on, and especially with the advent of the Internet, people reinforce the troubling narrative that whatever you're into, "as long as it's not hurting anyone", is fine to do. The point that is missed so grandly is that it often is hurting the people doing it, and telling everyone "gently caress how you wanna gently caress and don't think about it" leads to some real problems outside the bedroom, problems that often manifest gradually and insidiously, even between people far over the "age of consent". "If it feels good, do it" was a joke of a mantra and it's disturbing when it's taken to heart so readily. A more appropriate saying would be "If it feels good, think about why it feels good". I have known dozens, maybe even hundreds, of men and women who had sex with older people while they were teenagers - including myself - and who said "But I liked it, so what's the big deal?" And to that I have only to say, "Look at how your relationships have formed and resolved; that is the big deal, and you need to think about it". It's a very difficult thing to talk about. Society prefers to slap the Band-Aid of "age of consent" laws on it and call it a day. To be clear, that's all that can or should be done legally, but that is only the beginning of the conversation, not the conclusion. Nobody wants to say or hear it, but there is such a thing as mentally healthy sex between older and younger people (to a point - of course nobody should be loving 14 year olds, probably not even other 14 year olds in many cases). And the opposite is true; nobody wants to say or hear it, but there is absolutely such a thing as mentally damaging sex between adults. Humans, in general, should think way more about the things they do and why they want to do them - not just when it comes to sex. That's the real issue. People do not like to talk about it in that way because it's hard - but enlightenment was never supposed to be easy.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The notion that bondage play is tied to having sex with children is frankly silly. I didn't intend for any of that to come across, so let me be clear that I was only speaking in broad general terms and not specifically speaking to these Hollywood monsters, nor was I saying that "vanilla" sex is "always okay". In fact, quite the opposite - any kind of sexual or romantic attachment can be "not okay". Apologies. e: In fact I take issue with the notion that any sex is or should be called "vanilla". I had thought I went into enough detail to make that clear, and if I didn't, again, apologies. This isn't E/N and I don't want to get even more specific about my own life and my sex life with my current partner, but trust when I say: I know that things are complicated. That was a central point of what I was attempting to communicate, in fact. precision fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 12, 2017 |
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Super Fan posted:loving Larry Clark. There’s a guy that does a poor job of hiding his attraction to kids He doesn't hide it at all, I just think it may be that he hasn't actually acted on it.
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I knew Brad Renfro in the years before he died. He actually had nothing but good things to say about Clark and wanted to work with him more.
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I'm fully willing to believe that Bay has severely stunted sexual growth in some manner, but I highly doubt he's gay.
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It's actually fairly easy and banal to answer "why is it okay to be transgender but not transracial", or to be more accurate, it's fairly easy to explain why one is a thing and the other is just odd. It's not that being transracial is "not okay", even, it's just... silly and depends, at best, on a willful ignorance of neuroscience. And according to most legal systems, it actually is perfectly acceptable to identify as any race you want already. It's only a problem in strange edge cases like that woman reporter (edit: or that woman mentioned in the post above)
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Vegetable posted:Give it some time, people. That should honestly be applied to most of this stuff.
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I don't want to start some stupid "slippery slope of forgiveness", but I think it's probably okay to let Franken voluntarily resign or not, unless more people step forward. edit: Actually, what he did sounds worse than I thought. I'm not sure now. precision fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Yeah, I'm just hoping that Franken steps down of his own accord. It'd be a good thing.
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Transparent is legitimately great and does a lot of good. Too bad that's going to be hosed now. Thanks Heffe.
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Lena Dunham herself admitted to abusing her little sister, and defended it. Not surprised at all about Gene Simmons, but I'm waiting on women to come forward about Metallica because I know for a fact they've done stuff like, "for example", sticking drum sticks up groupie's asses and then making them lick them and taking pictures of it. Allegedly. And by allegedly I mean "I know someone who's seen the pictures". I highly doubt they were all over 18. Highly. Allegedly.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Dunham is the living incarnation of White Lady Feminism, so this isn’t a surprise. She's trying to walk it back now, very poorly. All she's apologizing for is the timing of what she said: https://www.avclub.com/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-defending-girls-writer-accus-1820580917
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Russell Simmons being a piece of poo poo surprises me not even one iota.
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viral spiral posted:Terry Crews is such a boss. Yeah, he seems on the level of Keanu Reeves as far as "actually nice celebs". Nail 'em up, Terry.
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Darko posted:I'm not sure about how this one reads. Yeah... I don't know about this. It sounds like it could have been a legitimate misunderstanding. Franken would have to be just... incredibly stupid to do that, at a public event, while in office? And instead of saying something, with her husband right there, she just smiles? Eh... my brain hurts. precision fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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Well now this uh... this certainly complicates things a bit: https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/36-former-women-staffers-at-snl-release-statement-in-support-of-sen-al-franken/ar-BBFrPbU
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I... didn't say that it meant that. I meant it complicates the discussion, a lot more than, say, Lena Dunham saying one dumb thing on Twitter.LesterGroans posted:Yeah, it's really just friends of his saying he's been nice to them and they support him. Doesn't really mean much. I didn't say that it meant he didn't do anything or whatever, but having so many women formally put out a statement like that is going to complicate the discussion.
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LesterGroans posted:Yeah, I didn't think you were saying he didn't do anything. I just doubt it'll complicate the discussion much. I guess I'm just fearing that it'll stir up a lot of right-wing "see, the liberals are circling the wagons" talk. The only name on the list I recognized is Jane Curtin.
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