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Sagebrush posted:i remember reading an article in macaddict circa 2001 where they had this huge multi-page infographic and explanation of pipeline bubbles and flushes were such a huge performance impediment to CISC processors that the 733mhz dual-processor g4 really was better than any of those comparably-priced dumb old 1.8 xeons the first gen p4s were so bad that a 733 mhz g4 really was in spitting distance of a 1.8 xeon (edit: maybe not actually better but not as stupid slow as it sounds) Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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LinYutang posted:silicon graphics introduced UNIX to a generation the entry level system to run this graphics demo (the filesystem navigator, fsn) was about $5,000. it takes about half an hour to boot the OS in the base configuration, because it thrashes swap continuously. at home on my desk i have one upgraded with 64MB of RAM. it's a cool, fun little piece of 1990s nostalgia that doesn't swap constantly. but back then, the 64 MB of RAM would have cost more than the computer you were putting it in
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How the gently caress did Unix get so bad
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by committee, presumably
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the entry level system to run this graphics demo (the filesystem navigator, fsn) was about $5,000. it takes about half an hour to boot the OS in the base configuration, because it thrashes swap continuously. you know an Indy is an Indigo without the go, right? still was planning to pick one up today, except I got a flat tire on the way to the place that had it and they were closed by the time I had it taken care of maybe tomorrow, or maybe I’ll just re-cap my original Mac II and install A/UX
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atomicthumbs posted:How the gently caress did Unix get so bad at least in the case of SGI Irix, read Software Usability II of course when it was leaked outside the company, the original author had to manage the resulting controversy by posting some further comments
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atomicthumbs posted:How the gently caress did Unix get so bad weak foundations
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eschaton posted:at least in the case of SGI Irix, read Software Usability II This is really good
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Nov 25, 2017 05:58
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eschaton posted:at least in the case of SGI Irix, read Software Usability II just imagine, we now have computers with a thousand times as much ram, and we have developed text editors and newsreaders that take up a thousand times as much space to accomplish the exact same tasks, except now they spy on us
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i just downloaded titanfall 2 for 10 bucks and it's 63 gigabytes 35 gigs of that is uncompressed audio files in like eight different languages because, quote, quote:“We have audio we either download or install from the disc, then we uncompress it. We probably could have had audio decompress off disc but we were a little worried about min spec and the fact that a two-core machine would dedicate a huge chunk of one core to just decompressing audio.” programer am gud
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mp3 was released in 1993
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doom 3 used vorbis compressed audio 13 years ago on single core machines. even if they want lossless audio for max quality or whatever there are compression algorithms like lz4 which are extremely fast to decompress and how does nobody at a huge company know how language packs for separate languages works?
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Nov 25, 2017 06:27
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the only good mobile multitasker rip the touchpad and webos 3
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*google and apple keep eyeing stacks but move slowly so as not to tip off
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Agile Vector posted:the only good mobile multitasker rip the touchpad and webos 3 i have some hp touchpads go in a box somewhere
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eschaton posted:at least in the case of SGI Irix, read Software Usability II quote:The news reader "xrn", starts out small, but leaks memory so badly that within a week or so it grows to 9 or 10 megabytes Intolerable!
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atomicthumbs posted:mp3 was released in 1993 and plenty of systems have audio APIs that will leverage hardware for nearly transparent MP3 and AAC playback (which is why you should never include your own CODECs) never mind that plenty of games have used MP3 and Ogg Vorbis in the background over the last 18 years or so with little performance impact shipping uncompressed audio for a game is just gross incompetence these days
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eschaton posted:never mind that plenty of games have used MP3 and Ogg Vorbis in the background over the last 18 years or so with little performance impact i think the last time i saw a system struggle to play an mp3 was my family's old 486, which could do it provided the file was mono, less than 44.1KHz and you weren't trying to run anything else simultaneously by the time pentium 2s rolled out in the latter half of the 90s mp3 playback took next to nothing in terms of system resources
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Doom Mathematic posted:Intolerable! they were targeting 8 mb of RAM in the base model the freaking news reader, the simplest GUI tool after a clock, leaked enough memory to fill system ram
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atomicthumbs posted:How the gently caress did Unix get so bad a brief period of terrible software bloat happened to coincide with a spike in memory prices, at the critical moment when american and european businesses were making big investments in desktop computing by 1996-1997 falling memory prices had fixed the problems, but the boat was missed. windows 3.11, windows 95, and windows NT ruled the roost. it was too late to meaningfully compete for the desktop.
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The_Franz posted:by the time pentium 2s rolled out in the latter half of the 90s mp3 playback took next to nothing in terms of system resources mp3 only became patent-free in the US like six months ago the choice between spending thousands of dollars of your own money in license fees or thousands of pennies of your customers' money on drive space and bandwidth is no choice at all
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eschaton posted:at least in the case of SGI Irix, read Software Usability II keep in mind while you read this that an sgi indy was a 100 MHz R4000 RISC chip. it had 4 or 5x the CPU power of contemporary x86, at the same price. it still managed to be unusably slow, purely because of the issues in this memo. sgi hosed it up unusually badly, but hp and sun weren't far behind. it was just a really awful time all around.
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flakeloaf posted:mp3 only became patent-free in the US like six months ago yeah, mp3 had licensing issues. that's why so much software used vorbis for compressed audio
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flakeloaf posted:mp3 only became patent-free in the US like six months ago vorbis was released under a bsd license in 2001
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Agile Vector posted:the only good mobile multitasker rip the touchpad and webos 3 my webos tv likes to run out of memory and crash the current app if I swap apps too often
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atomicthumbs posted:vorbis was released under a bsd license in 2001 and is a better codec
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ogg vorbis is probably the most used audio container/codec today thanks to spotify
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stupid name tho
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yeah its dumb lol
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cool max headroom reference on the video codec though
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i don't know what ogg means but (tu) "vorbişi" is romanian for (you) "have spoken" and while i know the codec is named after a terry pratchett reference (ughhhhhhhh) i think the romanian terminology is better given that it's a sound codec
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flakeloaf posted:cool max headroom reference on the video codec though come in control
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eschaton posted:come in control it was bold because realmedia was the first one to promise a video 20 minutes into the future
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's how windows won good. pure compute is important for goonboxes and datacenters, not for regular consumer computers.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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The_Franz posted:yeah, [useful thing] had licensing issues it's hilarious how people still try to make money off consumer technology standards and then wonder why everyone jumps ship to a slightly shittier but free standard (you're supposed to make money off the product which implements the standard idiots) and more generally how people think "best but more expensive" will ever win out against "good enough and dirt cheap" in the consumer market (protip there's a reason it's called the consumer market not the pro or enterprise market)
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akadajet posted:my webos tv likes to run out of memory and crash the current app if I swap apps too often lg gonna lg, i suppose. the touchpad was good for lots of stacks and apps, considering. i wish theyd do more with it but at this point it cant go back to tablets without another acquisition cause they certainly wont make a full launcher for android on their own flakeloaf posted:it was bold because realmedia was the first one to promise a video 20 minutes into the future 
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blowfish posted:good. pure compute is important for goonboxes and datacenters, not for regular consumer computers. it would have been nice to abandon x86 forever and live in a multi-vendor unix world instead
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The_Franz posted:yeah, mp3 had licensing issues. that's why so much software used vorbis for compressed audio mp2 and mp3 were both licensed extremely cheaply and widely used though?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlOi-L-N0X4
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echinopsis posted:stupid name tho discworld lmao
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