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Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

You're living my dream man, I can't believe there are clean BG 323's up in Canada, I've given up in Florida a long time ago. My last 323 was so destroyed by the sun it was a waste case. They were disposable cars and are almost impossible to find here now, sad but true.

It seems like 323s were WAY more prevalent everywhere else but the US, Europe and Canada got them all apparently :(

God speed man, I will be living vicariously through you.

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Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Did you call the junkyard you took it to? Maybe they didn't shred it yet?

[e] if you haven't already, you might want to join club protege, it's a great resource for parts, I'm willing to bet you would find someone that could get you that bracket.

http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/

Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Dec 15, 2017

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Yep, disposable car syndrome. Even tho the V6 MX3 is a pretty cool car there wasn't enough interest in them to keep them alive so they are all slowly dying along with all the other BG cars. They were never meant to be like a Miata so they get recycled to make more Miatas.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Astonishing Wang posted:

I don't get why people are always bragging about stealing small things from pick n pull like it's not still stealing :confused:

Apparently you haven't been to a pick n pull yard much?

Little poo poo like relays, fuses, nuts and bolts that you can fit in your pocket nobody cares about, but if you are hiding small parts in your tool box like a brake cylinder or something then yeah you're stealing.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Astonishing Wang posted:

So you show it to the guy up front every time just to make sure they're okay with you taking it, right?

After the first I tried time no. When no one else at the boneyard cares why the hell should I?

If you think it's stealing whatever dude, think what you want I guess.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Yep same thing here. For all the times I've paid to get in and walked out with nothing I guess that covers all the little poo poo :v:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

I have a Protege/323 service manual you can have if I can find it

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

poo poo I can't find it, it's probably buried somewhere or I got rid of it already. This is the one I had.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-Mazda-323-Protege-Workshop-Manual-From-Mazda/292355042354?hash=item4411b7ec32:g:-O8AAOSw9gRZ-3s2

$30 is a great deal you should grab it

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

So, ah, just wondering but do you plan on selling this car when you're done? Asking for a friend......

me

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

That's some engine porn right there.

So jealous, I want another 323 now dammit :argh:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

ionn posted:

The 323 BG most definitely came with swaybars both front and rear.

You live in Europe right? Must be a North American thing because mine didn't have a rear bar. Not having a front bar is strange tho.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

ionn posted:

Much Europe. But weren't they all made in Japan? Why would some regions/versions have rear away bars and some not? :confused:

Costs as always. I remember reading about how Europe always got better handling economy cars because that's what Europeans like or some poo poo. Stiffer shocks/springs etc. North America got bottom of the barrel economy because apparently no one here cares about that :shrug:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

This is really bizarre, I had no clue there were so many different ECUs for basically the same car/engine, like who was doing the tuning/code for each individual ECU?

Great investigative work man, I really want to buy this car from you whenever you get bored of it :)

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Just wondering, but if you happened to make an error like transposing some numbers completely loving up the tune will it be easy to find or a nightmare? Seems like an awful lot of opportunity to make a mistake in there :ohdear:

The level of detail is awesome, too bad there wasn't more info around like this 15 years ago when these cars were still around, I might have attempted something similar.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Voltage posted:

At the end you should make a list of all the different cars you used parts from.

Yeah I'm gonna need that when I buy it from you eventually :v:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Great work man, the engine sounds smooth as hell. Can't wait to see some driving videos!

Are you gonna do any suspension work to it at all? Also I can't tell from the pics but did you swap in the MX3 rear end for the disc brakes too?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Well done. Can't wait to hear how it drives!

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Great job man....So have you driven it yet?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Sgt Fox posted:

I have, and it's glorious. This thread is about 3-4 months behind actual progress.

Oh man, so jealous. Hope you have a full report with video :)

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

The 2nd gear hard cold shift is normal for BG's, I put syncromesh in my last BG ( a '97 Kia lol) and that solved the problem, pretty sure it had the G series as well.

Good poo poo man, wish I could take a ride in it! Seriously let me know if you ever want to sell it :)

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Sgt Fox posted:

Thanks! There is still more to come, anyone care to guess what the next rabbit hole will be?

Which gear oil in particular did you use? Currently I have Motomaster extreme pressure synthetic in: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/motomaster-synthetic-extreme-pressure-gear-oil-75w90-946-ml-0280263p.html#srp

I used Penzoil sycromesh, but GM makes it as well and is supposedly the best but kind of expensive.

The Penzoil stuff eliminated the 2nd gear issue and everything felt better overall.

https://www.amazon.com/Synchromesh-...nsmission+fluid

As far as the rabbit hole, let me guess......Brakes and/or suspension?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Sgt Fox posted:

I'll give you guys a hint. At this point we are caught up in project timeline to the end of spring.

Not a very good hint :colbert:

If not FI, gonna have the V6 built?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

A rabbit hole indeed. An old friend of mine that ran a Miata shop did it once and swore he'd never do it again :v:

Those wheels look cool, you should put them on the 323.....Are they OEM mazda wheels? Don't think i've ever seen those before.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

You won't be driving it during the winter will you? :ohdear:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Sgt Fox posted:

A guy came by the other day to buy the old 323 radiator off me.

:) That's a clean 323.
:razzy: Thanks.
:) Have you done much to it? Mine has the 1.8L in it, its stupid fast. What do you have, the 1.6L or the 1.8L?
:razzy: (deadpan) Oh, its the 2.5L.
:) What? 2.5L?
:razzy: Yeah, I put the 2.5L V6 into it.
:) ??? I what? How? ??? (regains himself and picks up his jaw from the floor) Well, mine is still really torquey.

After he left, I had a hard time to stop laughing.

Kinda weird that a 323/BG enthusiast was surprised by your swap, people have been doing it forever now.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Here for the BG 323 porn :quagmire:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

You live in Canada tho, do you think you really need it? :v:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Well hey I bet that a/c system would work great down here in Florida, you don't need that car I'll come get it ok

:q:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Wibla posted:

Yeah, we got the 323F with the 1.8 and 1.6 iirc. The 1.8 16V moved quite well all things considered.

The BP is an underrated motor imo. It's a shame they didn't come in 323's in the states, you had to buy a Protege (4 door) to get one or get an Escort GT which had them as well. I had the BG Escort GT with a BP and it was a blast, one of the best cars I've owned.

Or comedy option Kia Sephia which was also a BG chassis with a Korean built BP, I had one of those too, it drove great but the cheap rear end Kia interior was disintegrating on me :(

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Makes me miss all the BG cars I ever owned (a lot) they are the best econoboxes ever.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Yeah idk about that, I was a pretty hardcore BG fanboi and I never once heard about a factory V6 Protege.

1.8 is the DOHC BP. 4 cylinder.

Nice work as usual Sgt, you are really tempting me to get into a 323 again but there really aren't many left around here worth saving.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Well that's interesting, of all the years I was posting in Club Protege I never heard of them, and there were lots of Canadians in that forum too.

I imagine they all rusted away to nothing unless someone put one on mothballs which I highly doubt. Too bad, If I had one of those cars I would treat it like a Hemi Cuda :v:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Sockington was the BG savant, he was a mod for Club Protege too.

I wonder what ever happened to him I like that guy.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Tell him I want my jorts back :colbert:

Seriously tho, tell him I said hi and that AI misses him.

[e] and use my old name leica, he probably doesn't know this one :v:

Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 24, 2019

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Man I miss my 323s so much. They are completely non existent around here now :(

Great work as always man, love that you are keeping a 323 on the road.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

I had a BG EGT as well. Loved that car, loved the motor (BP). I've owned six cars with the BP :v:

Saw a BG EGT the other day in mint condition and was astonished, you just don't see those cars around anymore and usually when you do they are trashed.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

It's the best car :swoon:

I'd love to take it to Mazda meets, open the hood and see how many people catch on and go :stare:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Lol that's fabulous, the dealer part is the best.

"Rare option" on a 90's econobox like it was a 70's muscle car :v:

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Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

That little dump trailer must be heavy lol.

Nice tractor, love it.

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