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qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Having sex is like a computer

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



sexy computer

cumputer

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

don't copy that floppy

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

Jesus Christ.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

goldmine

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



for some reason i think esr is more protective of his sperm than rms

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

lol

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Powaqoatse posted:

for some reason i think esr is more protective of his sperm than rms

In the "ejaculates only into bottles and stores them on shelf after shelf, forever" sense? yeah, I get that vibe from him too.

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection
:cumpolice:

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

Good Lord

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Schadenboner posted:

In the "ejaculates only into bottles and stores them on shelf after shelf, forever" sense? yeah, I get that vibe from him too.

yeah lol exatly that sense.. creepy weirdo style

whereas rms is more about sperming on couches and buses

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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a spectrum of weirdos

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

👆

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Powaqoatse posted:

for some reason i think esr is more protective of his sperm than rms

from a previous esr thread http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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fritz posted:

from a previous esr thread http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

omg he literally posted a chatlog and there are a million comments

but yeah, that.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
c++ is good, but only when it doesn't conceal the operation of memory. smart pointers are a category mistake

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
anyone who says "leaky abstractions" is a doofus btw

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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Gazpacho posted:

anyone who says "leaky abstractions" is a doofus btw
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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Gazpacho posted:

anyone who says "leaky abstractions" is a doofus btw

naaah, it is one of those that seems overused, but actually it is proper abstraction that is underdone

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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agreed yeah, five times in history of the world it made sense to say leaky abstraction. all other times was doofy

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

Gazpacho posted:

anyone who says "leaky abstractions" is a doofus btw

leaky abstraction is just another name for a condom

qhat
Jul 6, 2015



Tis

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Powaqoatse posted:

          /


lol

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
does leaky abstraction refer to when it's necessary to know an unreasonable amount about how an ostensibly self-contained module is implemented, or does it refer to breaking the abstraction now and then (lol, sometimes I access the DB through my "data layer" other times I just send a SQL query straight from my HTTP request handler method)

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
it refers to the notion that software runs on physical hardware with the limitations that implies. some people find that very upsetting

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

basically, the opposite of haskell

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe
spolsky's original article is totally reasonable: it says that abstractions are everywhere, that all of them leak to some degree, and that pretending an abstraction is perfect or even perfectible can lead to just as much damage as actively resisting the abstraction

haskell provides several leaky abstractions, the most obvious being that its abstractions can easily literally leak

suffix
Jul 27, 2013

Wheeee!
i mostly hear it used for "i made a wrapper to make the code look nicer but it only actually works for the specific parameters and order of calls currently in the code, don't change anything or it will break"

Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET
so a function

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

Alzabo
Oct 23, 2002

You watched it, you can't unwatch it.

big scary monsters posted:

shocked to find out that free software's greatest champion uses copy protection

This is amazing

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
Hey my friend doesn't believe me that esr's not even a good programmer, what was that project where he spent more time rules lawyering the license than actually contributing?

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



A Pinball Wizard posted:

Hey my friend doesn't believe me that esr's not even a good programmer, what was that project where he spent more time rules lawyering the license than actually contributing?

all of them, he hasnt programmed anything at all ever i dont think

but the canonical example is fetchmail iirc

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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lol i went to wikipedia to check and there needs some extra sourced sentences in there on why hes poo poo at programming imo

"In 1996 Raymond took over development of the open-source email software "popclient", renaming it to Fetchmail.[8] Soon after this experience, in 1997, he wrote the essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar",...."

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

A Pinball Wizard posted:

Hey my friend doesn't believe me that esr's not even a good programmer, what was that project where he spent more time rules lawyering the license than actually contributing?
ncurses

any dev can just look at his git contributions to any project he's been involved with over the last decade, he goes around tweaking and/or stomping other people's sand castles so he can tell people he's been busy but he has very little to show in the way of building stuff from the ground up. he wants to be the hero who "rescues" projects from the devs who built them

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

i remember stumbling across this a couple years ago http://catb.org/gpsd/AIVDM.html

claims "lead of GPSD, a widely-used open-source GPS/AIS monitor daemon" and to be a domain expert (but with counterclaims that he has trouble understanding parts of it). i don't know much about the history of this project but if his contributions are like anything else he's worked on it's probably bad

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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also

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

esr is like an oracle that tells the opposite of the truth

Symbolic Butt posted:

yes, esr's opinions are very important

The Management posted:

it’s because he’s a racist, op.

RISCy Business posted:

eric s rapist

Bloody posted:

esr is a gross creep

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