Why ESR Hates C++, Respects Java,and Thinks Go(But Not Rust) Will Replace C

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Tankakern posted:

Open source guru Eric S. Raymond followed up his post on alternatives to C by explaining why he won't touch C++ any more, calling the story "a launch point for a disquisition on the economics of computer-language design, why some truly unfortunate choices got made and baked into our infrastructure, and how we're probably going to fix them."

He calls Java a better attempt at fixing C's leaky abstractions, but believes it "left a huge hole in the options for systems programming that wouldn't be properly addressed for another 15 years, until Rust and Go." He delves into a history of programming languages, touching on Lisp, Python, and programmer-centric languages (versus machine-centric languages), identifying one of the biggest differentiators as "the presence or absence of automatic memory management." Falling machine-resource costs led to the rise of scripting languages and Node.js, but Raymond still sees Rust and Go as a response to the increasing scale of projects.

The only consolation you get, if it is one, is that the C++ fans are screwed worse than you are. At least Rust has a real prospect of dramatically lowering downstream defect rates relative to C anywhere it's not crowded out by Go; C++ doesn't have that.

stopped clock is right twice a day. c++ sucks big ones, the jvm and java are great. too bad he used up his two chances to be right and then said go is good :lol:

Condiv fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 27, 2017

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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abigserve posted:

at this point I don't think they ever stop funding anything, they just stop caring about it

ask me how much I enjoy hearing the phrase "it came out of google..."

didn't they stop funding google fiber?

# ¿ Nov 28, 2017 05:08

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suffix posted:

yeah cool, for services id probably choose go's performance with go's gc latency in java if i could get it
but i suspect the performance hit would be worse because java tends to do more pointer chasing

shenandoah is supposed to be real low gc latency

u can try it in fedora

# ¿ Nov 28, 2017 22:52

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qhat posted:

C++ owns

nah

it bad

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 13:00

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

trap finally sprung, knew you were posting on here all along esr you fucker

i'm not nearly insane enough to be esr

# ¿ Nov 29, 2017 13:33

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