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thatbastardken posted:It is possible to recognise that the Greens have had difficulty penetrating working class electorates due to real or perceived snobbery workout it being an actual attack on the party. Doesn't help when we have a "national 25 seat strategy" that neglects to focus on any bloody working class neighbourhoods and seems entirely based around a Victorian BoP wet dream instead of saving the planet and improving people's material conditions.
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CrazyTolradi posted:If Greens get Maiwar there's going to be some real salt from QLD LNP and ALP. There's already a fuckton of salt. Labor hacks are pushing a line on social media that the result is illegitimate because most of the LNP voters would have preferenced Labor over Greens.
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Lid posted:thats not how preferential voting works Yep. They seem to be saying the current voting system is "undemocratic" and are pushing Condorcet voting - except that would have handed South Brisbane and possibly McConnell to the Greens. It's an odd line. They're also pushing the usual "demographic has changed and now Maiwar isn't working class anymore and is full of rich tory nimbys like all green voters are" even though it's never been working class, has always been a swing seat, and the nimbyism was only really a factor in a handful of areas.
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The Before Times posted:I mean, Maiwar is an amalgamation of the Indro and (most of)Mt Coot-tha electorates, so it's not unsurprising that there's some interesting results. You've basically got a massive young student population living in toowong, st lucia, indooroopilly, etc that are captured by the new boundary and that offsets the nimby upper middle class set. I'm not sure how much of a factor that's been. I know it historically didn't make a difference since most students weren't enrolled to vote in that seat, but the postal survey might have changed that. most of the young people I spoke to were voting Green anyway so I didn't really get a handle on what issues or initiatives resonated with them. The NIMBYs were (unsurprisingly) really into the planning reform and anti-corruption stuff but were very angry about the public holidays and housing packages we proposed. There was quite a number of young professionals and Gen Xers who were into the childcare, enviro and housing packages.
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The Before Times posted:Before, IIRC from having lived in both electorates before, the young student vote was split between the Mt Coot-tha and Indooroopilly electorates. So bringing those together and getting rid of parts of inner north Brisbane might have had a noteworthy impact. Impossible to tell, of course. The marriage survey would probably have been a factor as well, yeah. Yeah I'm not looking forward to debrief, because I don't think we can really point to any one thing that the campaigns did that really swung a lot of votes. A bunch of things - both external and in our control - just lead to an insane swing across SEQ for us. Senor Tron posted:We should start a death pool for Malcolm Turnbulls reign as PM. I'm taking 5th February. also 24 December. merry christmas everybody
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Anidav posted:I dunno Ken. Antony is pretty accurate Antony’s not in the scruit room...
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Brutalism is an aspect of accelerationist thought, attempting to unmask and display the true crushing reality of capitalism. Discuss. hold on this isn't New Urbanist Memes for Transit Oriented Teens AgentF posted:I like the building. Look how hosed up it looks. pls no hate speech on the thread
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Senor Tron posted:Ugly building chat hey? all buildings are beautiful. you need to embrace their inner beauty.
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tithin posted:Tim Nicholls has allegedly conceded defeat. Just tweeted this: https://twitter.com/TimNichollsMP/status/938924645130035200 place ya bets on new leader. good money's on a battle between Frecklington (who'll lose because sexism), Crisafulli (who'll lose because he's a moderate) and Mander (who'll win because football and usher in a new era of LNP christofascism for Queensland) edit: scratch that, Frecklington has convinced Mander to run on a joint ticket. Frecklington as OL and Mander as Deputy. I doubt anyone will challenge that arrangement. Senor Tron posted:It's student accommodation since the inner beauty is overcrowded box rooms. how compact and totally not a building and rental standards violation. Kafka Syrup fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Any of y'all at NUS NatCon this week? I'm out of the trashfire and want to spectate on Twitter. really struggling to find decent Media Observers who are actually there
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Zenithe posted:Anyone know anything about the new ALP cabinet? One of only five Assistant Ministers is 23 years old and I feel like I’ve achieved nothing in life.
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Anidav posted:Minister for Shitposting: David "Anidav" Titanium You joke but there’s legit now a Cabinet Minister for “Digital Technology”.
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The Before Times posted:Yeah, but the way it is being reported is basically 'UQ LAW LECTURER THINKS WE SHOULD INTRODUCE SHARIA LAW' Oh I studied under Aroney. He's a very good constitutional scholar but he's also a VERY VERY conservative, black-letter Catholic.
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The Before Times posted:Yeah I think he was around during my law days, though I took const when Suri was still doing the majority of it. Suri's a moderate compared to Aroney. The UQ Law School was (and in many ways still is) full of weird super-conservatives. Hell, James Allen still loving teaches despite multiple allegations of straight up abusing students.
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The Before Times posted:Agreed. James Allen scared the poo poo out of me when I took public law. I always found his attitude towards students appalling, including when he refused to record his lectures because if you're not at the lecture, you're clearly not committed enough to study (even if you have to work in order to afford to live I actually had a bunch of amazing lecturers, once I escaped lovely Priestly 11 - Cassimatis on Public International Law, Cvetkovski on Politics of Law, Orr on Law of Politics, Crowe on Feminist Jurisprudence and International Human Rights, Devereaux on Medico-Legal, Billings on Refugees, Bell-James on Environment and Built Heritage, de Groot on Estates, Forrest on Cultural Heritage and so on. Just gently caress corporates, imo.
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). I think Ann Black was my fave, though I only did one subject with her.
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Aesculus posted:To be fair literally every time Labor goes into government with the Greens they (if not both parties) lose massively immediately afterwards thanks to the LNP yelling at the top of their lungs how THE RADICAL EXTREME GREENS ARE THE PRIME MINISTER and the Greens inevitably disappointing everyone and failing to deliver thanks to governing with LABAH ACT 2012 doesn't really count. Greens vote went backwards, but it wasn't exactly a collapse, and grew again in 2016. Obviously the ACT Labor/Greens governing coalition could not possibly be replicated anywhere else because every other state Labor party is hosed.
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JBP posted:Why do you propose "hosed" Labor would entertain a coalition with a deeply unpopular party among their working class heartland seats? They're losing aspirational and established middle class voters to the greens, I don't think they need to actively court failure in hotly contested old party seats. I wouldn't. I agree it'd be a terrible strategic idea. But ACT Labor also largely a much easier entity to deal with, both in Parliament and in the party apparatus. The whole thing is a lot more amenable and less media-driven than my experience with both Labor and the Greens in other states.
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BBJoey posted:this analysis is dangerous because it suggests that ACT labor isn’t hosed, when it absolutely is. ACT labor has been successful in spite of being just as hosed as other state labor parties because the liberals have barely any base in canberra. The Canberra Liberals are somehow more hosed than Liberals elsewhere. They're swinging more and more to the Christian Right, despite their entire voter base in Canberra being either upper class NIMBY types (being picked up by the Greens very rapidly) or anti-establishment "gently caress the system" types (being picked up by the Sex Party and probably One Nation at the next election).
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Night Shade posted:Well you see it's the kind of people you'd find working at the Holden pla- Poor people who happen to also hate other poor people? (as opposed to rich people who hate poor people and poor people who hate themselves who obviously vote Tory) BBJoey posted:Yeah, the only explanation i can think of is that their strategist is an ALP plant because the right wing of Canberra is not a large well to draw from. Oh they got a new one on the recent countback. 3) we hate queers. Sex Party's imploded too. Canberra's basically destined to be a Labor/Green coalition in one form or another for the foreseeable future, with just the power ratio between Unity : Left : CPSU : Greens changing election to election. Kafka Syrup fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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JBP posted:Working class seats (not working class people) that swing are easily found online and are often split due to cultural, social and religious issues. Call them conservative, established poor seats if that suits better with you. Its pretty disingenuous to call those seats working class since there's a fuckton of working class people outside those seats and plenty of rich assholes living there too. They're just seats that have a high proportion of socially or culturally conservative, economically redistributive voters. I prefer to call them "Rust Belt seats". It always made more sense to me - given I'm from one. "Bible Belt" seats obviously exist too, but there's only a bit of cross-over with the seats you're describing.
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JBP posted:I edited to clarify "historically". It's the same in the northern suburbs where you've got new voters going greens and the oldies still voting red and it shines through in the booth people vote at. That's a fair point - and a genuine concern. Queensland's been having a fuckaround with these new megachurches like Bring the Fire and Gateway straight up recruiting and campaigning for political parties.
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Don Dongington posted:There are calls among the left factions of some of the more progressive unions for the ACTU to excommunicate the SDA, or at least publicly condemn their behaviour. Right now, this is mostly supported by the more bolshie/tankie NSW branches of national unions, rather than the rank and file. I do not entirely agree with it, as disharmony is not what the ACTU needs at this moment - but I believe the time will come. Perhaps once we've defeated the Fair Work Act, ROC, and the Liberal Govt, and regained our right to withhold labour. I've been told there's also a bunch of issues around demarcation and the IR Commission that makes getting a new Union like RAFFWU recognised really hard. Probably need to completely rewrite IR law before it happens. Luckily, Change The Rules actually has some really good ideas on how to do that. And CPSU and pretty much every other Union in the ACT is pro-RAFFWU. Unions ACT was openly spruiking them at May Day. SDA doesn't even get mentioned except to attack them here these days.
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JBP posted:E: not helped with money, I should add. Which is why y'all better be solidarity members.
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Anidav posted:I agree. Brisbane strong. To quote the great Bob Katter - Queensland: the Fruit Basket of the World.
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