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Taear posted:I feel like that's too much information in a single question and loads of people wouldn't know what they were doing when they answered it. Thank goodness that hasn't happened recently.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Also, I've decided to try and stop calling it "Brexit" because (a) breakfast confusion, and (b) it rhetorically excludes the effects on NI, much like the negotiations themselves. Is there any better, more all-encompassing term available? UKRIP
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Of course they can, just not officially A ‘negotiation’ without the ability to agree anything at the end is a conversation.
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Taear posted:I feel like that's too much information in a single question and loads of people wouldn't know what they were doing when they answered it. I mean, yeah, in any referendum there are a stunning proportion of people who are too dumb to understand the question but vote anyway. But it's laughable to suggest that this would be a more complex decision than the Lisbon Treaty, or any of the many EU changes which are put to the public all around Europe. I don't really think "If Britain leaves, Scotland leaves" is too labyrinthine a proposal tbh
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Pissflaps posted:A ‘negotiation’ without the ability to agree anything at the end is a conversation. It must be fascinating to live in a world free of any nuance
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jBrereton posted:Do you think the Swiss cantons are in a position to negotiate their own deals with the EU, too? Given that Switzerland is not in the EU and Swiss cantons have heavily devolved legislation including internationally relevant things such as corporate tax rates I don't think your zinger is quite as effective as you think it is.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:It must be fascinating to live in a world free of any nuance It must be fascinating to live in a world where Scotland - a country within a union where trade and foreign affairs and trade are reserved powers - and the EU - a body that refuses to negotiate with sub-national regions - might engage in anything that could be reasonably called ‘negotiations’. It’s not going to happen. Coohoolin posted:Given that Switzerland is not in the EU and Swiss cantons have heavily devolved legislation including internationally relevant things such as corporate tax rates I don't think your zinger is quite as effective as you think it is. Given corporate tax rates don’t require external negotiation and EU membership is not a ore-requisite to negotiation with the EU, I think it is.
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Pissflaps posted:It must be fascinating to live in a world where Scotland - a country within a union where trade and foreign affairs and trade are reserved powers - and the EU - a body that refuses to negotiate with sub-national regions - might engage in anything that could be reasonably called ‘negotiations’. Those 100+ meetings that Nicola Sturgeon had in Brussels in the past year post-referendum were probably just social calls Party Boat posted:UKRIP bit too much like "you crip" imo
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I wonder, would it be possible to hold a conditional IndyRef? As in, a Yes vote indicates "In the event that the UK exits the EU, Scotland withdraws from the Union on the same day and negotiates to stay in the EU. If no exit, then nothing changes". It might require some preliminary assurances from Brussels, but I can't see why this wouldn't be a good route to pursue. The problem there is that the EU can't officially say anything that could be seen as interfering in domestic UK affairs, like influencing Scottish independence in any way, although I don't know if that would cease being the case if the UK left the EU. Like there's been shitloads of leakings here and there, Brussels journos reporting on SNP meetings with German MPs and informal calls with EU officials and all that, but they can't say anything proper while the UK is in the EU. Varoufakis called it a "dog's Brexit" on QT and I thought that was pretty good. Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Those 100+ meeting that Nicola Sturgeon had in Brussels in the past year were probably just social calls They were stunts. And 100+ sounds like a very nuanced number.
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Pissflaps posted:They were stunts. OF course they were Pretty cunning stunts, then Pissflaps posted:
Once again - Pissflaps doesn't know what words mean
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I wonder, would it be possible to hold a conditional IndyRef? As in, a Yes vote indicates "In the event that the UK exits the EU, Scotland withdraws from the Union on the same day and negotiates to stay in the EU. If no exit, then nothing changes". It might require some preliminary assurances from Brussels, but I can't see why this wouldn't be a good route to pursue. sUKricide
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I wonder, would it be possible to hold a conditional IndyRef? As in, a Yes vote indicates "In the event that the UK exits the EU, Scotland withdraws from the Union on the same day and negotiates to stay in the EU. If no exit, then nothing changes". It might require some preliminary assurances from Brussels, but I can't see why this wouldn't be a good route to pursue. Can’t imagine the UK government agreeing to this. And even if it did there’s not enough time to negotiate Scotland’s departure from the UK as well as the UK’s departure from the EU. And then there’s the ironic position that for Scotland out of UK but in the EU to work, the best possible Brexit deal would be necessary, but that in itself turns Brexit into less of a reason to leave the UK.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:OF course they were I bet he knows what “urban” means.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Is there any better, more all-encompassing term available? i think "stupid poo poo for morons" cuts right to the heart of the issue
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Coohoolin posted:The problem there is that the EU can't officially say anything that could be seen as interfering in domestic UK affairs, like influencing Scottish independence in any way, although I don't know if that would cease being the case if the UK left the EU. How often do you see the EU making moves to undermine the territorial integrity of non-member states already? In international relations that’s considered a bit of a faux pas.
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XMNN posted:i think "stupid poo poo for morons" cuts right to the heart of the issue I think in time it will come to be known as The Event.
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The idea that the EU is secretly desperate to hold onto Scotland and will agitate for its independence is a persistent Scottish nationalist fantasy.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:bit too much like "you crip" imo Crip gangs wear blue and are often in open conflict with each other, it seems fairly appropriate at the moment.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I think in time it will come to be known as The Event. Do not think about the Event! 
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Firos posted:Do not think about the Event! The Event is in the past!
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Last Emperor posted:If we’re still adding people to the CLP list in the op feel free to put me down as Havant. I thought Havant CLP was suspended? Currently sitting on Hayling sea front having lunch, quite pleasant atm!
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I mean, yeah, in any referendum there are a stunning proportion of people who are too dumb to understand the question but vote anyway. None of those should have been referendums either.
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Pissflaps posted:The idea that the EU is secretly desperate to hold onto Scotland and will agitate for its independence is a persistent Scottish nationalist fantasy. I ... agree with Pissflaps?! To look at what the EU would do in case of a breakaway Scotland, look at the deafening silence and "it's your national affair" press releases after Catalonia kicked off. The EU has little to no interest in fostering or helping regional independencies.
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Cerv posted:How often do you see the EU making moves to undermine the territorial integrity of non-member states already? In international relations that’s considered a bit of a faux pas.
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Junior G-man posted:I ... agree with Pissflaps?! weeeeell, the Commission does seem to want to use regions to weaken national power, it's just the pesky independence movements that they don't like.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I wonder, would it be possible to hold a conditional IndyRef? As in, a Yes vote indicates "In the event that the UK exits the EU, Scotland withdraws from the Union on the same day and negotiates to stay in the EU. If no exit, then nothing changes". It might require some preliminary assurances from Brussels, but I can't see why this wouldn't be a good route to pursue. I don't like these brexit fantasies that end up with me stuck in one of the places that doesn't get to run away. gently caress you. There is only one brexit fantasy and that is the whole thing collapsing and being replaced with full communism. Junior G-man posted:I ... agree with Pissflaps?! Yeah it's important to remember the EU are not the good guys. The EU was good for leftist Britain because we're such loving savages that we don't culturally value human rights and respect for our fellow man. Whereas the EU at least pays lipservice to these things. We literally cannot be left to rule over ourselves because we inevitably go too far and people start dying. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Coohoolin posted:The headline on the National front page this morning is about how UK concessions on NI borders will give a "lifeline" to Scotland to negotiate common market access or something. I can see the NI situation being used to leverage a pro EU indy drive when Brexit really starts crunching. I spent a moment there wondering why you were browsing far right websites. They really didn't think before they named their populist rag, did they?
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:It's all kicking off with the airlines:
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Guavanaut posted:Extreme porn legislation was Gordon Brown, although it was enacted in no small part due to a letter writing campaign by a single church, who were almost certainly Tories, all as part of a knee jerk response to the murder of Jane Longhurst. The extreme porn stuff kicked in before Green was caught with his "at the time legal" porn - the change that has kicked in between then and now was the criminalisation of drawn child pornography (i.e. all the anime/manga stuff) and I'd bet good money that's what he was looking at.
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Could anyone with working experience of the boundary review please explain to me what sort of inbred looked at our current population size and decided it'd be a good idea to have less MPs than we did in 1800, population approx 1/7th of current I'm willing to accept that the fact it happens to give the tories a working majority in 2018 is an unfortunate coincidence, and the fact kent's boundaries are all weird af looking may be a simple political necessity. But "lets have less MPs, the current lot are doing so well with their workload" is fantasy.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Don't say it like that he's going to have to retween fascists from lesser known countries 
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:It's all kicking off with the airlines: I love the CAA because they always give pilots poo poo and pilots are dickheads.
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double nine posted:weeeeell, the Commission does seem to want to use regions to weaken national power, it's just the pesky independence movements that they don't like. Is there a specific thing you're talking about here? I'm trying to come up with one? The EU Council of Regions is nominally of the same rank as Parliament and Council, but I promise you nobody gives a gently caress about them.
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ookiimarukochan posted:The extreme porn stuff kicked in before Green was caught with his "at the time legal" porn - the change that has kicked in between then and now was the criminalisation of drawn child pornography (i.e. all the anime/manga stuff) and I'd bet good money that's what he was looking at. Anime is bringing down a cabinet minister? Is there anything it can't do? 
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