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Wanna add some mandolin players to that list to branch it out a bit. Avi Avital, primarily classical mandolinist (his Vivaldi and Bach albums are lovely) but I think he shines extraordinarily on his fusion work combining folk genres. First 2.50 mins are percussion so skip ahead if you're not a fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLV1i-fVsk4 He's also got my favourite version of Czardas available online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zjz6oLuaxw Carlo Aonzo, Italian fella with the worst hipster moustache but a helluva player. Studied under Ugo Orlandi in Italy, and plays mostly Italian folk and Classical, primarily from the 1900s ish Calace era. Fast fucker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMWllhS3lxQ Eva Holbrook. Hoo boy. Beautiful playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRFzpt0rp_E
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My man. I forgot to include Andy loving Irvine there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNcEgTTCXY
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I can never hear myself at sessions but apparently everyone else can just fine. You can also get a tone guard that will help it project. Also wanted to drop in some book recommendations. I'm entirely self taught, and a lot of the "learn the mandolin" books are very basic and didn't really help me improve, except for a couple. Carlo Aonzo has two books I use a lot. The first is Classical Mandolin Solos, and it's a collection of Calace-era pieces starting with easy practice partitas and getting increasingly difficult. The other is a collection of Italian and Swiss ticino region folk dances, which are a load of fun and teach you new techniques you won't come across in bluegrass or celtic stuff. The Berklee book of classical mandolin has some really good practice methods but it's a serious study. Also includes mind bendingly frustrating techniques like string splitting. I'm currently working with Simon Mayor's books, Mastering the Mandolin and New Celtic Mandolin. He has good practices and his celtic book is great for developing lovely harmony play with one instrument. All of these use staff notation and tabs, but you really should teach yourself how to sight read if you can't. I found it really easy on the mandolin, and now I can use Bach's violin partitas and sonatas as practice methods, which are great.
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Thanks man, really appreciate it. I'm dead set on doing this professionally, even my first application to the conservatoire was unsuccessful (it's fine, I've only been playing for a year and it takes an average of three applications per admission) I practice like three hours a day. I'll have a look at those books, always looking for new ways to improve. I started with the second partita, the Allemande and Courante are fairly easy to play, the Gigue is good finger work stuff, and the first half of the Chaconne is a) beautiful and b) really really good for chord work, fugal voice stuff, and tone focus. Also have a look at the Presto from the 1st sonata. I've started tabbing it out and can finish and upload if anyone's interested. Another great work piece I've found is Telemann's Fantasie 1 for violin. The allegro has really cool sounding double stops and harmonies, and fast arpeggio stuff and because it's in G minor you're forced to play in a closed position which is really good for your left hand. If you want to play some celtic stuff and really work your left hand, the Mathematician and The Bonnie Lass O' Bon Accord are surefire ones.
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Know Such Peace posted:If I wanted an f-style mandolin for the looks, is there a commonly recommended model? I’m not sure about price ranges, but I think I’m willing to spend around $700ish. I'm thinking about jumping for the 615 but the 315 might be just slightly above your price range and an excellent value mandolin. http://www.theacousticmusicco.co.uk/index.php/mandolin-luithers/eastman-mandolins-.html I don't like A styles and it's not because of the look. I find the Fs have a more cutting tone and greater fluidity.
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Bilirubin posted:Agreed the Eastman is a good entry point. There are probably good deals on used ones on the Cafe. There are also some Kentucky models probably worth a look. I mean hey it might just be my imagination, I just feel much better playing Fs. Then again I've also put .10 strings on mine and lowered the action as much as possible so I might just have a very specific playing preference.
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Couple of weird moments on the instrumental breaks but otherwise a lot of fun. https://soundcloud.com/user-47088428-313963836/coal-creek
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Bilirubin posted:Happy to report that after my most recent video exchange I have slightly altered how I attack the strings and am amazingly now playing faster and cleaner than ever. Really strongly encourage lessons--even remotely done can be a big help! Would you be able to demonstrate this technique improvement? I recently increased my string gauge to improve finger strength and it's a pain having to relearn everything at speed again.
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That's ace, I'll have a look at my right hand and see if there's anything fixable there. I used to be a guitarist in a metal band when I was younger so I might have some deep seated instincts to relearn. Recently gone up a gauge in strings and it's a little bit frustrating having to bring everything back up to speed, but it's coming along well enough. Bach's partita 2 and sonata 1 are great practice stuff, so just winging along there. Also has anyone ever gotten anything out of the Magnus Zetterlund lessons on youtube? He seems like he knows what he's talking about but it's really slow videos.
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https://youtu.be/0SYYRrrwLIY Would be happy for any constructive criticism of my soloing! Please excuse the unflattering belly angle, I drink too much ale.
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Just discovered David Benedict's channel on YouTube. Great arrangements and he's happy to share tabs with anyone who bothers to email him. Check him out!
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Been digging some Brazilian choro mandolin music. Was listening to Hamilton de Holanda earlier and then I stumbled upon this on youtube, and loving hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBwOOwcwTU
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blinkeve1826 posted:I'm eleven minutes in and just Practice alternate picking chromatic exercises for EVER and eventually up and down won't matter. EDIT: As for chop chords I never actually looked them up but if you start from double stops you can figure out instinctively where the other two fingers should go. Can't be more helpful, sorry.
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blinkeve1826 posted:Those are good places to start in any case, thanks! Actually that was last night and I'd had a bit to drink, I CAN be more helpful! I don't know what level you're at exactly so apologies if some of this sounds patronising and obvious. I count strings from G to E so if I say 1st string I mean the G, not the E. So I play a few different shapes of chop chords depending on where my tonic note is. So for example of you take A, most books and online chord charts will give you this: 5 4 2 2 That's great- you've got an A major double stop with the A and C# on the fourth and third string, and a perfect fifth between the low A and E on the bottom two strings. So your root note is both the 2nd fret on the 1st string and the 5th fret on the 4th string, for A major. Move that up and down the neck as long as its comfortable for root notes on the G string. Play that shape two frets up and it's B, three frets up and it's C, etc. Move the note on the 3rd string (C# if we're playing A) down one fret and it's a minor chord. Easy as: 5 3 2 2 That's one shape. The other main one I like to use is this, starting with G as an example: 3 2 5 7 There's a bit of a stretch with your pinky but I find this quite comfortable. It's a bit more melodic than the previous shape because you're not resting on a low fifth interval, even though you've got the same major double stop (btw, notice how major double stops are always tonic note+one string and one fret down; minor double stops are one string and two frets down). Your root notes are on the 4th and 2nd string. Play this two frets up for A major and compare the sound to the previous shape we used for A. 5 4 7 9 So that second chop chord has our root note on the second string, the first one has the root note on the first. For minor chords, there's two things we can do. One option is to stretch even further and turn the high double stop into a minor one by pulling the note on the 3rd string back one fret. That would give us a Gm chord of: 3 1 5 7 Bit awkward to play. An easier way might be to find the root note on the 2nd string, in this case the 5th fret, and build up a minor shape based on the first one we looked at (mute or don't play the first string: 6 5 5 X Those same shapes can be used for some chords with roots on the first string, like C, where we have all the options: Cmajor 1st form: 8 7 5 5 Cminor 1st form: 8/X 6 5 5 Cmajor 2nd form: X 3 2 5 Cminor 2nd form: X 3 1 5 You'll notice that almost all of this have a major or minor double stop: C: X 3 2 5 G: 3 2 5 7 A: 5 4 2 2 I'm pointing these out because they're handy reference points for slipping in 7th chords on the fly. Find your double stop, and add a note below it on the same fret as the root note: C7/m7: X 3 2/1 3 G7/m7: 3 2/1 3 X A7/m7: 5 3 5 X Ok. That's the main ones. There's a couple of extra ones that I don't mentally classify in the same group: F: X 3 3 2 D: X/2 5 4 2 Dminor: X 5 3 2 D7/m7: X 5 4/3 5 E: X 7 6 4 Eminor: X 7 5 4 E7/m7: X 7 6/5 7 Fminor, F7 and Fm7 are the same as the E ones, just one fret higher. If you're playing a tune in F use the low chord on the 2nd and 3rd frets, as the switch from there to Bb is an easy one. OK! Picking and hand position. It's mostly up to you. If you're more comfortable with sliding your whole hand up for changes or just a finger, entirely subjective. Position shifts will come naturally- you'll find for most bluegrass and celtic stuff you won't really need to move up much, but if you can read music check out some easy Calace pieces for pretty instinctive shifts (maybe try the Rondo:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry4JKBDM3s As for position shifting, if you're comfortable enough playing in closed positions it won't really matter, and a big boost to playing is when you can fluidly use open strings to transition from different positions. Carlo Aonzo has recommended scale practice for position training: http://www.mandozine.com/techniques/scales/aonzo_family_scales.html Basically it's just down to practice and playing a lot of different stuff. I've been forcing my way through very tricky Bach sonatas and it's doing wonders for me- at the beginning everything is slow and I have to stop and work out every single passage and which position to play it in, but the more you do it the more instinctive it becomes. Just keep playing as much as you can. If you want some fun tune resources I'd recommend Carlo Aonzo's book of Ticino and North Italian folk music and Simon Mayor's Celtic Mandolin and Mastering the Mandolin books. They all come in standard notation as well as tab. The Aonzo book in particular is loads of fun. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Northern-Italian-Ticino-Region-Mandolin/dp/078668741X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518695978&sr=8-2&keywords=carlo+aonzo https://www.amazon.co.uk/Simon-Mayo...+mayor+mandolin https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Celtic...+mayor+mandolin
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Sharing a tidy piece of info- was mandolin shopping online the other day and came across Big Muddy who are offering a "primitive" option on all their models, which is basically a mandolin sans finishing, sanding, lacquer, hickory neck, etc for 200 dollars less than the listed price. I'm gonna get myself their celtic model, which will cost me 365 instead of 565 and that's just dandy. My gf is an artist and she's looking forward to doing the finishing for me.
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New demo recording from my folk punk band, we had some fun with it. Stripped down cover of Streams of Whiskey. https://soundcloud.com/cominupthrees/streams-of-whiskey Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 20, 2018 |
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Slimchandi posted:I'm a big fan of choro, and play quite a few brazilian instruments. I made a few of my own music-minus-one recordings if you want to play mandolin over them. Sweet, I'll give it a listen tomorrow (travelling all day today, Aberdeen to Milan 12:00 to 00:00, ouch). In the meantime here's our latest recording and my favourite one so far. https://soundcloud.com/cominupthrees/tom-paines-bones
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I bought a 615 from an American shop at the start of the month and it's been stuck in customs since the 4th, bloody parcelforce haven't even invoiced me for the VAT yet the bastards. I'm so excited.
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It's here! https://streamable.com/9mxvf
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Eccles posted:Very cool tune Coohoolin - I really enjoyed listening to your playing. Cheers, it's the Rondo by Raffaele Calace, one of the easier (and very fun) pieces of classical mandolin repertoire.
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So I was thinking of doing a YouTube channel about my development as a self taught mandolinist. I already teach guitar and mandolin and I seem to have a knack for explaining stuff, and I've met with conservatory people through my dad who've all said I've done very well for being self taught. I'm thinking selections of pieces I use to practice, fingering positions, practice methods and exercises, stuff like that. I'd also include tabbed out transcriptions of classical pieces for folks who'd like to play some but might not be that great at sight reading. Is this something people here might be interested in following?
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Yeah stuff like that. My favourite practice methods is Bach sonatas and partitas, take them slow and try to learn them piece by piece and you'll end up becoming comfortable with a very wide array of fingering techniques and picking fluidity because of all the string skips. I figured I'd take them piece by piece and walk through the fingering section by section, pointing out the tricky bits and suggesting what to practice. I've also been accumulating a shitton of pdf scans of old mandolin method books by people like Munier, those would be good to look at as well. I'm not good enough that I can play all these pieces fluidly but I thought the way I use them to learn and improve might be of interest to other people, especially given how difficult it seems to be to find a mandolin teacher.
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Ok, looks like it's a good idea. I'll try to film something over the next week.
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right i just sat down and started teaching my phone how to play the Allemande (1st movement) of Bach's 2nd Partita for Solo Violin- for some reason the phone stopped recording at around 26 minutes in so all I've got is the first passage of the piece but i'll use it as a demo, get it uploaded privately and post it here for some initial feedback before i go public. watch this space!
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Right, let's see if this works. Video is private, but should be shareable by clicking the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x311tnlCqCs Tab: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_nxHVJtEc4WX9e65ATPqZhm6qkKFvdt6/view?usp=sharing Sheet music: https://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Partita_No.2_in_D_minor,_BWV_1004_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian) It's the first movement, the Allemande, so any of the options should work, depends on your visual preferences. Things I'm aware of: - new phone, so not entirely sure what the camera options are, but the one I used here with repeated in and out of focus nonsense isn't great - my left hand was really loving itchy when i started for some reason, it's obnoxious - big boomy voice echoing a bit in my living room Mostly I want to know if you find it valuable or helpful at all as a learning method! Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Anyone given it a go yet?
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Yeah I wasn't sure what would be more helpful, going through note for note or not, so I tried to keep it a bit more general and only get specific with trickier passages or unnatural stretches. Let me know how you get on and what could be improved, I'm excited to launch properly!
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I took the plunge and signed up for Mike Marshall's course on artistworks. I'm excited!
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Bilirubin posted:Excellent, enjoy! Still haven't managed to upload a placement video despite trying three times due to filesize limits. Fun.
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So how's everyone's picking going? Learned any cool new tunes? I'm currently in a big fight with my right hand. The fucker just won't work consistently.
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Huxley posted:I liked that Bach piece so much, I actually bothered to learn to read proper music onto the fretboard and have been working through a book of violin etudes for the past few months. Oh cool, the piece from my youtube trial attempt thingy? That's awesome! Can I recommend the two bourees from the Bach Cello Suite III, I've been using those to teach my students how to sight read. They're easy enough, and melodic enough that you can feel a nice sense of accomplishment. Also have some fun pivot jumps and arpeggios to stretch the fingers.
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Lester Shy posted:As a guitarist, I mostly think about it like an upside down guitar or multiple drop D's stacked on top of each other. Don't do this, it will grestly limit your melodic understanding of the instrument. Just practice some closed scales, using your pinky finger on the 7th fret instead of the next open string. Look up the Aonzo Family Scales on mandolincafe or wherever they are. Try to understand fifth tuning as its own thing, it'll open up a lot more options.
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I had the wonderful opportunity of meeting Mike Marshall and Caterina Lichtenberg at their gig in Glasgow on Friday. The show was spectacular, they're a lovely pair, and they squeezed me onto their workshop the next day that was already full up. All around gents. I showed Mike the keychain my gf got me last year, with a picture of Chris Thile with frosted tips pulling a face during his Nickel Creek years and he got a good chuckle out of that. Just the nicest people, incredibly inspiring. Now to save up enough to buy a bouzouki and a bowlback...
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More Bach tab! This time from Partita 3 in E Major, Gavotte En Rondeau. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-CjE50pmK9JC4HVimxd9IkbOg1Rj3Fp0/view?usp=sharing
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Been working on some klezmer https://m.facebook.com/groups/2501585737?view=permalink&id=10155835906895738&sfnsn=mo
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Bilirubin posted:Welp, with the shelter in the apartment considerations I think its time to work up my chops again--been away from the mandolin with few exceptions for the past while. I will make this month's goal to work out an arrangement of REM's Gardening at Night I think I've switched my teaching over to skype and other video call stuff, if anyone wants to go over a couple of things with me hit me up! No charge, goon solidarity, tipping is an option.
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Bilirubin posted:Awesome thanks buddy. This project will involve scads of new chords so for fast changes I may hit you up for suggestions on different shapes Sweet, anyone interested can hit me up here on email or Facebook. Elias.eiholzer@gmail.com or https://www.facebook.com/elijah.fynmore.
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BurningBeard posted:Sup mandogoons? I did the artist works course with Mike (and a couple with caterina) and it was excellent for me. Still have an active subscription, just haven't had the time to get back into it. If you sign up, look for some of his responses to my videos, I made him go deep on some technical stuff lol.
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stealie72 posted:New (kinda) player checking in. Another great and free resource is thesession.org, everything there has been written out and uploaded by website users (overwhelmingly irish or scottish trad musicians). Also a reminder that I believe there is a link in the OP to my intro post to trad 101 somewhere in the thread.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm an awful newbie and I suck, can I post stuff I'm working on for feedback, or is that spammy and annoying? Go ahead! I'm a teacher, I'll be happy to give some feedback.
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