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VileLL
Oct 3, 2015


you fellows might also want to check out this site if you enjoy:

http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/catalog

it's a vast collection of middle English texts, with something of an Arthurian focus - recommend taking a look through 'Sir Gawain: Eleven Romances and Tales' for a couple of other versions of the Green Knight story, should also help develop an understanding of how Gawain typically works as a character. The Awyntyrs off Gawain, in that volume, is probably the most introspective piece in the genre that I've seen, also recommended.

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

So, thing to think about : the King Arthur stories fall into a few "standard formats" and tropes. A petitioner comes to Arthur's hall, asking help, and a knight is sent out. A rebellious king refuses Arthur's reign as High King of Britain and must be subdued. In very early stories, Arthur as a Christian has to subdue various pagans and non-Christian invaders.

Here, all that's sortof combined and subverted. The Green Knight comes into Arthur's hall, at Christmas, a holy Christian festival -- but instead of a Christian seeking aid, he's a creature of pagan magic, bearing pagan symbols (the holly bough). And this pagan challenges Arthur! He's challenging Arthur's right to rule, and he's challenging Christianity itself!

couple of points - worth considering a third major genre: the forest encounter. Typically, there's a mysterious meeting between Arthur/ a knight (there's dozens of Gawain ones in particular) and a somewhat unnatural figure - like the Green Knight, for instance. Subsequently, there'll be an adventure involving whatever's been encountered, and there'll usually be some suggestion of the magical. While 'liminal spaces' is something of an overused term, the forest is typically understood as such, the kind of place where one might reasonable encounter a monster, magical maiden or other mystery. Consider how Gawain ends up finding Bertilak's castle.

Beyond that, I'd hardly call the encounter a subversion of genre expectations - I'd recommend checking out the book I mentioned above for a couple of other versions of the same (Gawain and the Grene Knight, Gawain and the Turk)

VileLL fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Dec 7, 2017

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VileLL
Oct 3, 2015


Worth considering that a huge, huge part of Gawain's character is that he fucks near-constantly, while also being extremely gracious to women (there's a couple of variants on this - he either accidentally gets a woman killed or is under oath to be nice to ladies), which all plays into the text's deconstruction of his nature, and the uncanny understanding that the castle's inhabitants have of the same.

There's a lovely bit in Malory where some knight is in hopeless love with this maiden, who keeps having him beaten up by her men. Gawain offers to help him out, takes his armour to pretend he's killed the knight, says he'll start changing her mind about the guy. He gets to her castle and pretty much immediately gives up on the idea, spends the next week in bed with her.

the chad gawain/ the virgin kay

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