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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Zamujasa posted:

ah yes the funy computer forum, obviously the best place to post this

i originally thought of myself as just another dumb idiot cis male but in the last two years and especially the last two months i've been noticing that i might actually be trans and a lot of that cis thought might just be repression from the environment and my upbringing (my family was fairly conservative and even as recently as 2015 i had to deal with a family member calling a trans person "transvestite" as an insult and deadnaming them intentionally)

it's kind of like running "gender defrag.exe" complete with "gently caress realized another repressed memory, starting over" and it will probably take about as long as the real one before i really know what the hell is going on in my dumb idiot brain


e: also i'm asexual. it feels weird to consider that under 'queer' though, but i guess that'll feel more normal eventually since i only really realized that a week ago

Welcome fellow traveler, I hope you find yourself and live your true life. 😊

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Shifty Pony posted:

women get it really bad too. I had a bi friend who's dating stories were a never ending parade of married couples looking for a disposable third.

putting a giant all caps "I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THREESOMES" had no effect. even if she set her profile to indicate she was only interested in women she would get them because they would use the wife's account to make contact, often only revealing their motives after a few days of messaging. she ended up just dropping off of online dating entirely last I talked to her (years ago).

technology really enables people to ignore the fact that there is another person at the other end of the conversation.

Yeah, the old school “swingers” community is really misogynistic, biphobic, and just terrible for women.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Mostly in person word of mouth on my experience. The online community is way too fragmented and full of crazies to get that kind of info usually.

That's how I found my endo, personal recommendation from my therapist.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Zamujasa posted:

how do people make a decision about gender bullshit, anyway

i went from "haha i'm trans :downs:" to "i don't know poo poo and i think i'm full of it :saddowns:" again today and just like. gently caress, how do people decide this. i'm not really dysphoric other than hating facial hair and my awful body, i think about it sometimes but it's not like it's a huge issue to me

it seems so easy for everyone else. just saying "i feel kind of trans" feels like a huge loving copout what do you even do past that



(obvious answer: therapy)

It may seem obvious, but it's not easy, so congrats on you for realizing it. I spent 15 years repressing it and looking for anything that when obviate my need to acknowledge the truth.

cis autodrag posted:

I also tend to do this. Better to be safe than stomp on people's feelings. I just genuinely had no idea guys and dude weren't totally agendered at this point. The only people I've ever irl heard complaints from are a meme from my friend in Facebook who is the definition of white girl woke and my wife's uncle who's a lovely republican who was mocking me for my beard shadow back before the laser started to work.

If it's not too personal, how long did it take to work for you? I just had my first about a week ago. :)

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Dec 10, 2017

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

I'm pasty like my white mom but I got my super dark coarse beard from my black dad so I was at like 50% reduction after 3 sessions. At my last session they said they might use a closeup of my cheek on a poster because I was the best result their clinic ever had.

Sweet! I'm biracial too, same parental races too, so I hope it turns out as good :)

cis autodrag posted:

Ya I still have some white hairs to electro out but you can't see em at all, they just bug me. It's inevitable that with laser some hairs will just get weaker and turn white or blonde rather than fall out. "permanent reduction" and all that.

I heard Jordan Raskopoulos talk about her experience with electro and If that happens to me I'll just live with it, laser already hurts enough. 😫

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Dec 11, 2017

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

By the time you're done with laser nothing will hurt anymore. Pain will be a distant memory. I'm getting electrolysis... down there.. to get ready for bottom surgery and it's not that bad comparatively. keep in mind that electro is hair by hair so it's not gonna singe quarter sized hunks of your face like laser does.

I'll take your word for it, best of luck on your surgery :)

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

it's a big ol' spectrum like most human conditions. i know someone who's so disgusted with their dick and any masculine aspect of their body they've already gotten a trach shave and they're counting down the days until bottom surgery, while my wife and most of my other friends are perfectly fine with keeping their ladyboners and are mostly bothered by their faces to varying degrees. don't try to measure yourself against some external standard of 'trans-ness', just try to figure out what you'd be happiest living with.

Second this, I don't have a lot of anxiety around genitalia, but my face and chest are/were a major source of my dysphoria.

ate all the Oreos posted:

both vary a ton between people and methods i think. the wife says laser is "like someone's thwapping a rubber band against your face, more annoying than agonizing" while another friend says their face feels like it's on fire. i also know that the one my wife did also puffed chilled air on you right before the laser pulse so it would heat damage the skin less or numb you a tiny bit or something?

For me it was a mixture of both, I was able to ignore it for most of my face but the chin was excruciating and that was with the cooling air.

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Dec 11, 2017

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

UberJew posted:

i hate to defend alabama but you can change the gender marker on an alabama birth certificate, though they require that you both have a name change and have undergone srs

this is in stark contrast to my birth state of ohio which will actually not change gender on a birth certificate period ever

Either way sucks for us non-op people, why couldn’t I have been born in Oregon?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

wait you have to change your birth certificate through the original state that issued it rather than your state of residency?

That's the way it is U.S., each state keeps their own records and decides how and if it can be amended. It's why Barack Obama's birth certificate was from Hawaii even though he hadn't lived there for years and was serving as another state's Senator.

EDIT: Fortunately I'll be able to change my passport with just HRT and most places will then accept that as proof and make the change.

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 12, 2017

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

Ok so how's that gonna work for my wife, she was born in New Zealand and her family moved to the US when she was young so she has full (in fact, dual) citizenship. I guess we'd get it changed in New Zealand? Which is lucky, since they're pretty permissive as far as I can tell...

Ah that I do know about because my sister was adopted from Pohnpei. What she'll need is a replacement Certificate of Naturalization and believe it or not all you need is a letter from the doctor, corrected DL or other ID, or a court order. They even specifically say "Proof of sex reassignment surgery or any other specific medical treatment is not required to issue the requested document in the changed gender."

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-1067/Chapter10-22.html

vvv Believe it or not FLHSMV uses the same standard so I should be able to get my DL changed relatively easy. vvv

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 12, 2017

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

caitlyn jenners dumb e network show is what finally prompted me to come out lol. Our dumb brains work in mysterious ways.

My crisis point came when I watched the Contra video hosted on Shauns channel and I had a total breakdown.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

mega agreedo. im working on getting my insurance to approve a new one of those next lol

i will be the pale beyonce by the end of 2018 mark my words

I wish my insurance would cover FFS and breast augmentation, but c'est la vie :sigh:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Like this:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Silicone. Saline is ancient trash tech and the only people who get them are crazies who want to have cartoon porno boobs.

You won't get as big as your cis family members. It just doesn't happen. Count yourself lucky if they grow and stay symmetrical.

What if gynecomastia runs in your family? Tanner III A cup pre-everything :smug:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

RISCy Business posted:

my sexuality is really weird, sometimes i doubt that i actually like guys but other times i'll just be lookin at dude butts and stuff and being like "nice.... nice..."

is there a term for this

also butt augs were my favorite aug in the new deus ex

homoflexible?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Helianthus Annuus posted:

from the Ben Barres article:
is that ok? any clearer? too inconsiderate? are there better options i'm not thinking of?

i know this is probably the least interesting and least relevant part of that article. but this past-tense pronoun question has been bugging me for a long time, and i thought this example did a good job of illustrating why.

Gonna have to disagree. For me pronouns are key to my identity and being misgendered really hurts, and I definitely wouldn't want it to happen in an obituary article. Maybe say something like "Born in 1954, he transitioned in 1997 at the age of 43. Before then, as an MIT undergraduate and while presenting as feminine, he solved a hard math problem that had befuddled the rest of his virtually all-male class, only for his professor to suggest that his boyfriend must have done the work."

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Cocoa Crispies posted:

the way i had it explained to me was that we don't say "back when the earth was flat" to refer to the time everyone thought it was flat

I’m stealing this the next time I have to explain it. 😊

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Helianthus Annuus posted:

the other problem with this article is that it contains plenty of quotes from people close to her using the contra-indicated pronouns. you can't really change the person's words and still keep the quotation marks, but in this case i think you can just put [sic] after the wrong pronoun to make it clear to readers that the person speaking goofed up

If I was running a news organization the style we would use would be to keep the quotes but disclaim and make clear we altered the pronouns or deadname. For example “Back when I first met [Stewart], [he] had the well earned reputation of being a hard worker.”

Helianthus Annuus posted:

thanks, i think i understand why i didn't see eye-to-eye with some of the other posters in this thread

i was trying to use the pronouns to encode information about how people thought of the subject at the time. if i'm correctly understanding the replies in here, trans people don't recognize that usage as legitimate. instead, they use pronouns to encode information about gender identity, and because the subject is the arbiter of that gender identity, its more appropriate to use the preferred pronouns regardless of outward presentation.

Exactly, I’ve always been a non-binary trans woman, even when I didn’t present as feminine.

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jan 9, 2018

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Even if you throw away all the bad opinions, he misgenders caitlyn Jenner like a million times which is about on the level of calling a black man "boy"

As a black trans person I feel qualified to say it is on the same level.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

I'm black, Blackfoot , trans, and gay. If there's an oppressing Olympics I'm a participant lol

Participant nothing, you the Michael Phelps of this poo poo.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Villian sounds like an idiot anyway. Who's interested in men sexually? Gross.


I think they are fun! Then again I am a pansexual slut who will gently caress just about anyone anytime, so I may be an outlier.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

I've been called one plenty by people who feel I'm a weird man. So has every other trans woman in the world.

Same, it's common enough that Laura Jane Grace worked it into a song.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Queer punk is the only real punk in the modern day. Against Me! Is doing God's work.

Also grrr at pwr bttm for turning out to be jerks who used their nonbinary identities to sexually harass a bunch of people. I liked their album so much but I can't listen to it anymore because they get money if you stream it.

:agreed:

I came to them through my official coming out band Axis of Awesome, and I see why Jordan loves them :)

vvv I did not, that's cool! vvv

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 21, 2018

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Lots of d&d goons have been posting about running for local office lately and saying right on the forums what districts they're running for and I just don't see a way that doesn't come up in their campaigns.

That's pre-Trump talk, now nothing you do matters!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

It still matters for libs. Just look at how eager liberals are to disown Chelsea Manning because of two photos of her standing near alt-righters with no other context provided.

True, as I said in the other thread though, I'm conflicted about the whole thing. I wouldn't get close enough to touch those people unless I was going to punch them so it's not a good look to me 😕

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

bi erasure is real hosed up yo. are we talkin' internet spaces or real life? bi people definitely exist, there's like 8 of them in this thread (including me) :v:

It's 9 is you include us pan people ;)

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

atomicthumbs posted:

i think "bi" is code for "pan but everyone knows what it means"

(maybe???)

Works for me!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Helianthus Annuus posted:

idk why, but "pan people" made me lol irl

im more of a skillet person, but you do you

Funnily enough my pan flag sticker on my car actually has a skillet on it just cause I was tired of that loving joke. 🤣

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Helianthus Annuus posted:

oh btw i never got a chance to tell you that I really liked this editorial style you came up with to deal with a pronoun change


it's concise, it keeps the context clear, and its respectful to the subject. its everything i ever wanted :allears:

also it reminds me of that thread a while ago with a guy claiming to be an alien. he would use this exact same style when talking about alien concepts that didn't translate very well. i dunno where the original thread is, but someone put all the content here http://mrboone.kequc.com/

one of my favorite threads, even though its fake (probably)

thanks, I wish I got to write as much as I did when I was in college, but I just don’t have the time anymore. :(

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Zamujasa posted:

it works out because when you see one of those trans-exclusive jerks you can say "bi bi" and walk away :haw:

(i hope this joke isn't panned too heavily)

You forgot one bi :haw:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Ciaphas posted:

actually forgot I have my phone with me for once. here's an unshaved part of my hand. my legs are pretty similar. think that laser would work?



That's not unlike mine and it's been working very well for me. The key, according to my PA, is to have a good contrast between the hair and skin; the bigger the contrast the better it works. Just keep in mind the thicker the hair growth the more sessions it will take, and the more it will hurt until the hair starts to thin.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Ymmv. I lasered my face and was clear for about 18 months, but now coarse white (eg untreatable) hairs have spring up all over my face and I have to do electrolysis to clear them eventually. As with most transition related stuff, moderate your expectations and don't expect to have the results of people talking about their excellent results online.

Yeah I'm crossing my fingers but I know there are no guarantees 😐

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ate all the Oreos posted:

i mean it sounds like it was horribly mishandled in this case, and obviously shouldn't be done without permission, but i think having the authority of your boss back you during this can be real helpful. when a friend of mine transitioned at work they had a little thing set up by the boss the day before she started presenting as female talking about "ok they're gonna show up as a woman now, don't be a fuckin' dick about it, here's how you address them, don't make me tell you again" which shut up the coworkers she was most worried about (which she probably never would have told off herself or reported had they done something lovely cuz she's shy)

it's not their place to just go and do it though, obviously yeah

I was the first out trans person at my workplace too and they did something similar. Except the CEO limited it upper management, other than that they left it up to me who I wanted to tell.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

Even that's hosed up. Nobody had a right to disclose your information without your explicit direction. They're putting you in danger by doing that.

Oh sorry, I should have specified that was with my consent. :)

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

evil_bunnY posted:

Old people who DGAF are the best. When my brother came out our grams was the loving sweetest about it.

My mother in law passed this Friday and she was very much like this, three of her four children are queer: one gay, one lesbian, one bi and she accepted all of us without reservation. My father in law used to say "What did we do wrong to end up with three gay children?" and she would say "It's a blessing, God's just making our lives interesting." :)

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Since you say she was a good lady, that statement was adorable and awesome :)

She was OG woke, she rebelled against her racist rural Georgia upbringing by going to an HCBU in the 1950s.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Pollyanna posted:

my confidence is basically inversely proportional to my weight so just surgery isnt enough, i gotta diet heavily

I wouldn't care about my weight as much if my boobs were bigger 😕

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

cis autodrag posted:

That's extremely easy to fix.

The spirit is willing, but the wallet is tapped 😑

vvv Thanks :) vvv

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Feb 27, 2018

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

keyboard vomit posted:

Got credited with my new name today on the podcast I do stuff with :toot:

The guy that runs it went back and changed all the instances of my deadname to my new one too

gently caress yeah! Give it a plug!

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Shifty Pony posted:

might not be a good idea, even if the archives were corrected there might be old versions floating around on other sites/services that would make it easy to ID them

but is is awesome that they did that

Oh sorry, you’re right. Sorry KV!

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