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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The whole black sun thing is so loving interesting to me. I want to know more about dark stars The black ink fireworks were so loving cool
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That's a fun movie. Sure, it's a bunch of film students' thesis, but those students include John Carpenter and Dan O'Bannon. It's funny, it's got some interesting ideas in it, and it looks surprisingly good for having been done on film student budget levels.
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List of terrible Harkonnen jobs Baron-greaser Surgically augmented navigator Rabban's therapist Blade gimp Concubine (regular) Concubine (murder) Dude Who Runs In The Giant Hamster Wheel That Powers A Spice Harvester
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Tree Bucket posted:List of terrible Harkonnen jobs Easily Killed Soldier
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Well at least the Baron keeps the murdertrains running on time
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List of good Harkonnen jobs Thopter pilot Arena announcer Arena stomp-chant choreographer
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Antiquated Pants posted:My Dune loving friend saw the movie and was so mad about the changes that she declared it the worst movie she'd ever seen and will in no way endorse or see the third one... Like drat, I understand having critiques and/or disappointments because things had to be cut, but it's a movie adaptation and things always have to be cut. Even if you take the DUNE out of it, it's a great film in general. The effects, both digital and practical were awesome, I am always in awe at how cool lasguns are, and was giggling in my seat when they did the worm invasion. Tbf he could’ve made running into gurney a big time skip and then we see Alia now a wee lamb and we’re all like woah nice work gurney staying alive that long FAT32 SHAMER fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Mar 31, 2024 |
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Yea dark star's rough around the edges but you can see the early flashes of what made carpenter and o'bannon such an amazing director and effects artist, respectively. It's cynically funny in the same sort of way dr strangelove is.
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I wanna see this movie about the working stiffs whose job it is to blow up planets.
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Tree Bucket posted:List of good Harkonnen jobs some restrictions apply, see section a: transportation of Rabban
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you really wonder what was the general fatality rate of servants, etc of stalin or pol pot. couldn't have been 0
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Tree Bucket posted:List of good Harkonnen jobs I assume the guy in one of the goofy black suits during Feyd's arena battle that barbed the opponent and got yelled at probably had an extremely bad day after the stadium filtered out.
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Spider Freak department's gotta talent scout from somewhere.
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implicature is that that's yueh's wife
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you really wonder what was the general fatality rate of servants, etc of stalin or pol pot. couldn't have been 0 Stalin wasn't especially rough on servants as much as he brutalized his cabinet members. Everybody was forced to stay up until dawn every day for years watching movies and drinking while Papa Joe played incredibly mean spirited pranks on them. And by drinking I mean inhuman amounts of alcohol until they were sick. On purpose, over and over again
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galagazombie posted:I wanna see this movie about the working stiffs whose job it is to blow up planets. It's a good watch. Looks like it's on the free streaming services (Tubi et al), cheap rentals on a couple of services, and free on Prime with a 7-day trial of sub secondary service I've never heard of. Speaking of Stalin, The Death of Stalin is an incredible movie. It's all comic actors but they play the power struggle straight. That makes for an oddly surreal air to it, but it works so incredibly well. Most of the same places but I've heard of the secondar yon Prime, and also Hulu.
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mllaneza posted:It's a good watch. Looks like it's on the free streaming services (Tubi et al), cheap rentals on a couple of services, and free on Prime with a 7-day trial of sub secondary service I've never heard of. I love Death of Stalin, and the variety of British accents was something I thought was great. Having Zhukov speak in a Yorkshire accent was too perfect. Much better than if they were putting on fake Russian accents or whatever. Jason Isaacs steals the movie imo.
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Also, re Death of Stalin, the dumber it gets the truer it gets. They toned Zhukov's medals waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down, mind.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:implicature is that that's yueh's wife people say this so often it's become a truism. there's nothing to suggest this is the case. I suppose in the context of the movie, it makes yueh's betrayal less out of left field because it's been "set up" for the audience. but otherwise it's just connecting two dots on opposite sides of the paper
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Yea for it to be an implication there would have to be some vague reference or tidbit in the text or film suggesting as much, it's just a fan theory. Is it possible? Sure, but nothing directly implies it afaik.
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I figure if it was, Mohaim would've made a comment about it.
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galagazombie posted:I wanna see this movie about the working stiffs whose job it is to blow up planets. Hitchhiker's Guide?
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One of the things I love about dune's universe relative to the majority of sci fi settings is the fact that between the guild and the ai laws technology is relatively heavily proscribed, but genetic engineering and biology are commonplace. I guess it'd stand to reason that hosed up humanoid chimeras would be somewhat commonplace in hedonistic, sadistic societies like the Harkonnen worlds. Tangentiallt, anyone itt read Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky? I kinda loved how the emergents relied on a caste of mentat-like living computers.
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I always felt an intentional irony is that they supposedly banned computers to stop 'machine thinking' but ended up being much worse with just turning people into machines instead.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I figure if it was, Mohaim would've made a comment about it. I seemed like Mohiam cut through the bullshit and made it leave because she knew "it" would understand a voice command.
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free hubcaps posted:Yea for it to be an implication there would have to be some vague reference or tidbit in the text or film suggesting as much, it's just a fan theory. Is it possible? Sure, but nothing directly implies it afaik. I think it doesn't matter if it's literally Wanna but it's absolutely supposed to imply what "the Harkonnens have my wife imprisoned" means free hubcaps posted:One of the things I love about dune's universe relative to the majority of sci fi settings is the fact that between the guild and the ai laws technology is relatively heavily proscribed, but genetic engineering and biology are commonplace. I guess it'd stand to reason that hosed up humanoid chimeras would be somewhat commonplace in hedonistic, sadistic societies like the Harkonnen worlds. I liked how Traitor Baru Comorant has a early modern fantasy where gunpowder hasn't been invented and so the killer tech at sea is Greek fire and rockets, but medicine and psychology is like mid 19th century (including lots of pseudoscience like Lamarckianism)
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Scags McDouglas posted:I seemed like Mohiam cut through the bullshit and made it leave because she knew "it" would understand a voice command. I thought it was more The Voice basically cuts straight through mere language and hits straight to the 'OBEY' button in the brain. Kind of the whole thing is it being brute-force mind control/hypnotism that short-circuits the conscious mind, though it can be a bit unpredictable, and people tend to be pissed once it wears off. Heh, see how Jessica has Paul practice it in a safe and casual setting- because you want to make drat well sure it works before breaking it out in hectic circumstances.
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We were somewhere around Sietch Tabr on the edge of the desert when the water of life began to take hold. I remember saying something like "Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!" And suddenly there was a terrible beefswelling all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge ornithopters, all swooping and screeching and diving around the worm, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the hooks in to Arrakeen.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:We were somewhere around Sietch Tabr on the edge of the desert when the water of life began to take hold. I remember saying something like "Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!" And suddenly there was a terrible beefswelling all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge ornithopters, all swooping and screeching and diving around the worm, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the hooks in to Arrakeen. Holy poo poo, there I am!
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free hubcaps posted:Tangentiallt, anyone itt read Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky? I kinda loved how the emergents relied on a caste of mentat-like living computers. They call their state the Emergency, it’s great. An excellent book. There’s a line that’s stuck in my head for decades, with one character looking at incredibly elaborate “mentat” art and thinking “happy people don’t make art like that”
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I always felt an intentional irony is that they supposedly banned computers to stop 'machine thinking' but ended up being much worse with just turning people into machines instead. Related to this, I always got the impression that the butlerian jihad was meant to be a human vs human conflict, and that it specifically a some sort of reactionary anti capitalist movement. The motto of the caste system having “A place for every man”, the phrase “man shall not be replaced”, the slide back into pre-industrial social structures. It all speaks to me of a civilization where the robots literally took everyone’s jobs and made the working poor “obsolete”. I’m imagining a version of the society from Soylent Green basically. It’s not hard to imagine such a people being whipped into a religious frenzy of Luddism. Peoples identities in the imperium being almost entirely dependent upon their “task” as you pointed out, makes it seem like they designed their society specifically to be kind of frozen in time so nothing would ever have to worry about being traded in for the next years model.
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galagazombie posted:Related to this, I always got the impression that the butlerian jihad was meant to be a human vs human conflict, and that it specifically a some sort of reactionary anti capitalist movement. The motto of the caste system having “A place for every man”, the phrase “man shall not be replaced”, the slide back into pre-industrial social structures. It all speaks to me of a civilization where the robots literally took everyone’s jobs and made the working poor “obsolete”. I’m imagining a version of the society from Soylent Green basically. It’s not hard to imagine such a people being whipped into a religious frenzy of Luddism. it was the opposite, robots and ais made the dune universe a utopia that destroyed the entire concept of capitalism. then butler comes along and argues that all these robots and ais are limiting true human potential, he gets a full on religious jihad going, the human race zealously smashes all thinking machines and collectively opens its third eye, and 10,000 years later we have vibrating vagina hypnosis and fish men floating in gas pods. #slidingdoors
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Spent Sunday drinking Water of Life 
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galagazombie posted:Related to this, I always got the impression that the butlerian jihad was meant to be a human vs human conflict, and that it specifically a some sort of reactionary anti capitalist movement. The motto of the caste system having “A place for every man”, the phrase “man shall not be replaced”, the slide back into pre-industrial social structures. It all speaks to me of a civilization where the robots literally took everyone’s jobs and made the working poor “obsolete”. I’m imagining a version of the society from Soylent Green basically. It’s not hard to imagine such a people being whipped into a religious frenzy of Luddism.
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Elukka posted:Near the beginning of the book Mohiam explains, "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." Yea exactly. It seems to me like a rebellion more against the people and social systems that owned and enabled the robots than against the robots themselves. There’s a quote in the appendix that mentions that the Butlerians slaughtered billions of people, and I somehow doubt they counted robots as people.
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The culture novels are actually a distant prequel to dune
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Yeah, the actual implication is that it was closer to the actual Luddites. And also given Dune was originally a riff on/counterpoint to Foundation, I think intended to be presented as the point of divergence to robot-centric sci-fi where technology and society took a different path. And I don't think it's meant to be a good thing; that they went after a symptom instead of the cause, destroying the labour-saving devices instead of the social structures that let the owning classes enslave the rest. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a reactionary rebellion supported or hijacked by the noble houses or their progenitors against the capitalist classes to preserve their privilege and power while claiming to be liberators.
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