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Harrower posted:Suicide bombers today are a pretty major concern and the best most of them can manage is some ANFO wrapped with nails. Giving those guys nukes seems like a real problem. They were probably out of reach for the common citizenry cost wise, but it's not like the dune universe is short of wealthy malcontents. From what I can recall almost any vaguely militaristic organization had them readily available, and the governments hardly had the economy under control as there were smugglers and black markets selling stuff all over the place. I've been following dune discussions here and there for years and I've just never seen an answer that wasn't opinion and speculation. The books just sort of go along with it and never play it out which always annoyed me. The Dune Encyclopedia says they're heavily restricted outside of "wild planets." The roleplaying game also deals with them, in that lasguns are *sometimes* issued to elite troops in certain circumstances, but never on a permanent basis. There will also be wealthy people with lasguns as collector's items but with their power sources removed; like an antique gun with the barrel filled up with concrete. I think the main thing is that open warfare, nuclear attacks, etc. are taboo and will get you punished by the intersecting, tightly-woven feudal power structures in the universe. So the Harkonnen lasgun shipment was already an extreme move that was treated with ultra-triple-secrecy. Also most people in the Dune universe are peasants and slaves (even the Atreides have slaves) and you know one of them getting their hands on a lasgun would be a five-alarm emergency to hunt that person down and chop his head off. Also another thing about the shields, was that it was a popular idea in old-school sci-fi (and I mean like old-timey old-fashioned sci-fi that had already been dead and forgotten by the 1960s). So like H.G. Wells type stuff, or at least that's what I heard. So Herbert was ripping off an earlier idea, but everyone thinks he came up with it. BluPotato posted:Just putting it out there that the best dune game was the firstr one with based after David Lynches Dune. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Dec 9, 2017 |
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With Denis Villeneuve attached to a Dune film project these scenes from Blade Runner 2049 make much more sense as a trial run for the visuals / color palette / etc.:  Also Villeneuve owns and is the best possible director they could've picked for the project. IMO it's one of the upsides to the Herbert estate holding onto the IP with such a death grip over these years even if you're not a fan of the BH/JKA novels.
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One of the things Herbert talked about in interviews was that Dune is about bewaring of superheroes and powerful political leaders. Well, actually, going full Death of the Author here, Herbert is wrong because that theme doesn't come up that much in the books. The ecological stuff is way more important. But Herbert was probably talking about powerful leaders in interviews because no one picked up on that theme in the novels. drat, no one is talking about this very important thing I believe in! He also really hated John F. Kennedy. I actually don't blame him.
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Dec 9, 2017 13:08
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Herbert seemed like a libertarian but an old-school kind of libertarian from the Pacific Northwest who was also into environmentalism. I'm not sure that breed is around much these days. But that weird blend is probably why so many different people respond to Dune and get something out of it. Also he seemed like a poo poo father to grow up around reading BH's biography of him. Like dad in his writing room pounding away at the typewriter while classical music is blaring and you DARE NOT DISTURB HIM. Also he disowned his gay son who went on to die in the 1980s from HIV I think. He wrote some good books although he generally seemed like a lovely dude. Eh, well, sci-fi novelists.... BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Dec 9, 2017 |
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Dec 9, 2017 13:10
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"Dreamer of Dune" by Brian Herbert I believe.
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Dec 9, 2017 13:54
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gender illusionist posted:I thought there was only one book in the dune series that's good?
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BluPotato posted:his son apparnetly can't write but i don't care what he thought of him this is a place where you need to separate an artists from his art.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:but will it be as good as jorodowski's? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrd-VWiBZM
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Dec 10, 2017 21:59
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studio: *gives jodorowsky millions of dollars* *he blows it all on expensive art books and concept drawings that have the bare-minimum to do with dune, wants to hire salvador dali* jodorowsky: RAPE RAPE RAPE studio: oh god alejandro what are you doing
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Dec 10, 2017 22:03
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i see lasguns as like peasant-killing weapons more than anything else. if the lower orders get out of line the feudal house can just carve a whole mob into pieces
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Dec 10, 2017 22:19
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cis autodrag posted:I want worm Leto from the cover of God emperor as a tattoo at some point if you know what i mean
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Dec 11, 2017 02:06
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there are a lot of weird symbols and language stuff in the dune encyclopedia, so if i was going to get an obscure nerd tattoo, that's where i would look.
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Dec 11, 2017 03:14
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i still have a box of cards from the old dune CCG. i loved the art for combining the best of the lynch movie with more directly book-inspired stuff.   i don't know what's with the woman in the bikini but overall good stuff
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i'm pretty sure i watched that scene right when i was hitting puberty and somewhere a switch got thrown and it determined my sexual identity twink-snack kyle maclachlan in a skin-tight rubber suit riding a giant worm i mean COME ON basic hitler posted:I've really been thinking about it, and i'm basically convinced that Lynch Dune is a good movie, but that it does have flaws you'd have to be blind to ignore. It feels like most of those flaws are easy to plant on the De Laurentiis group who produced it. Weirding modules are a weird choice but i understand why Lynch didn't want to actually adapt Weirding Way Space Kung-Fu in 1984. and "and history will call us wives" is blehhh. that's not a great ending. paul making it rain while his eyes roll into the back of his head as toto rocks the gently caress out in space -- that's an epic fucken ending. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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basic hitler posted:i wonder how lucky i was to be looking at a girl the second my nads dropped. i wonder if i had not gone to camp goddard with the rest of my class, and had instead been at home all week.... would i have also been watching kyle ride the worm and feel an emotional rush intense and overwhelming enough to turn me hard gay? it's science basic hitler posted:Could paul atreides see the potential futures where he had been gay?
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Dec 11, 2017 08:58
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basic hitler posted:It's totally how it works. One day your body drops a hormone based atomic bomb and you become attracted to whatever it imprints on your brain!
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Mister Speaker posted:What's the skinny on the remake, is it actually in preproduction? Is Villeneuve at the helm still? Blade Runner gave me huge hope that the remake will be incredible, at least visually.
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basic hitler posted:I always read the butlerian jihad as a hard rebellion against the weakening of mankind caused by THINKING MACHINES like how the internet and facebook even in 2017 has turned us into soft weak babymen. Not a terminator-esque war against the machines
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i kinda imagine this with the human face in the worm body. though much smaller. that was oddly from a painting someone made and sold on ebay. also the cover of the 1st ed of god emperor of dune has an image that sorta works for me this too: 
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As far as a movie, I think you can do it in one, but the catch is that the movie can't follow the book so literally. The problems with the Lynch movie are evident at the very beginning. It starts with Irulan narrating the background, then title credits, and then it goes into another background bit for another seven minutes. Ten minutes in and the movie hasn't started yet. Then once the movie does start, it starts on Kaitan with the emperor and the Spacing Guild, then moves to Caladan, then to the Harkonnens, then back to Caladan when the Atreides set off for Arrakis. It's just a big mess. If you don't know Dune, you don't what's going on or who to follow.
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So if I were Villeneuve, I'd seriously start it on Arrakis. Have the opening scene be a Harkonnen ambush on a spice harvester or something like that. Set up the conflict. Show, not tell. Duncan Idaho, who is doing advance scouting before the rest of the Atreides arrive, dispatches the Harkonnens with his sword and reports back. He flies over the desert, or I dunno, goes on a trip from Arrakis to Caladan. (Think the opening of Blade Runner 2049.) In any case, get the ball rolling quickly and get the Atreides onto the planet sooner. I'd not even have the Baron show up until the invasion. He needs a big roll-out where the audience goes WTF when they see him. We don't need to know anything about the CHOAM company or The Spacing Guild. In a way, overly-explaining things is counter-productive because one of Dune's themes is people being manipulated by forces they don't fully understand and cannot control. An epic, gothic Guild ship needs to be in the movie, but leave some mystery. Spice is crucial to space travel. Without it, the navigators cannot do their work... Then Hans Zimmer hits the music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po10CcXfAn0 Oh and get Dave Bautista to play Rabban. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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The real hardcore Dune fans will go apeshit if that happens, but they want a literal word-for-word adaptation of the book onto the screen, and that's just impractical. These are different forms.
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basic hitler posted:I think a straight laced adaptation is doable. Given studios want franchises, if you can make the first movie interesting enough to carry sequels then it'll work out. Cramming the full book into one movie would be dire but i legit don't think thats the plan.
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so ... *looks it up* paul says: "at a conservative estimate, I've killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others. I've wiped out the followers of forty religions..." though herbert never went into a full lore 'splainer (if i remember right) of the scope and scale of human settlement in the galaxy.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:21
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He's basically a nod to swashbuckling characters from pulp magazines like Amazing Stories. "Duncan Idaho versus the bug-eyed men from Mars!" So is the whole swordfighting + shields trope, which people think Herbert invented but was an older trope in those 20s-era stories; it just so happened that everyone forgot about 'em by the time Herbert wrote Dune.
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Also the whole Dune series is really a commentary on the Foundation Trilogy. Herbert read Asimov and thought his psychohistorians couldn't be trusted so he turned them around, made them the villains (Bene Gesserit) and turned the Mule (Paul) into the hero. At least that's my theory but I didn't come up with it. I think in one his essays (hard to find) Herbert basically explained that was his approach to science fiction. Find a popular theme and then flip it. He didn't mention Asimov as far I know though, but I'm almost certain that's what he did.
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paul_soccer10 posted:Cool trivia about space travel in dune:
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keep in mind before denis villeneuve, the last director touted for a dune film project was peter berg director of such films as deepwater horizon, lone survivor, and battleship i'll take villeneuve
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i don't think D U N E is as deep as people make it out to be so villineuve is fine. it's space opera basically. and i'm a huge dune fan. also i looked it up and confirmed navigators use holtzman engines.
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Dune is less fascist than a lot of sci-fi but Herbert was pretty conservative I think
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Dec 26, 2017 00:59
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Lefty sci-fi writers have utopias or at least resistance to the fascist order. Herbert: nope. just feudalism and tyrannical sandworm gods lol (also this is a bad thing but you're hosed still) so Herbert is interesting
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Dec 26, 2017 01:26
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Ccs posted:I'm also wondering about people's take on what book 7 would've been. I don't like the version his son wrote, it was much too literal and dull and confusing. But it was aliens
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Dec 26, 2017 05:59
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Soviet war epics were loving bonkers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcekvQeHS6o&t=1906s
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Arrhythmia posted:If I don't get to see twenty thousand real Russians pretending be Sadukar pretending to be Harkonnens being slaughtered by another five thousand Russians each with neon blue contacts pretending to be sci-fi arabs i will RIOT
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Dec 26, 2017 21:30
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Villeneuve is totally gonna cast Hugh Jackman as Duke Leto. I don't have any inside info I'm just making a prediction. Also they worked together on Prisoners.
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Arrhythmia posted:poo poo, you fuckin' guessed it  If I remember right Rabban is also kind of a tragic figure and Bautista could totally play that.
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Well y'all really missed out by refusing to read the BH/KJA novels because in those it turns out that Paul is gay.
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Which is also why it's hard to pin down Herbert's worldview in general. Like you'd think a feudal sci fi setting would be fascist or something like that, like Heinlein, but it loving blows and even the Atreides are basically poo poo -- just not actively maliciously poo poo. But you don't see the imaginings of a better world like you do with socialist sci-fi writers, the only real better alternative being The Scattering which is more about everyone not dying and getting the hell away from the core worlds.
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