Harrower posted:

Suicide bombers today are a pretty major concern and the best most of them can manage is some ANFO wrapped with nails. Giving those guys nukes seems like a real problem. They were probably out of reach for the common citizenry cost wise, but it's not like the dune universe is short of wealthy malcontents. From what I can recall almost any vaguely militaristic organization had them readily available, and the governments hardly had the economy under control as there were smugglers and black markets selling stuff all over the place. I've been following dune discussions here and there for years and I've just never seen an answer that wasn't opinion and speculation. The books just sort of go along with it and never play it out which always annoyed me.

Spinster posted:

I liked all the Dune books very much. ( the original ones.) When an author constructs an alternate universe that is so fully fleshed out and believable it is such a treat.

basic hitler posted:

I really liked how he kicked mankind so very far out into the future (something like 20,000 years from this date for the beginning of Dune, and I don't know , a lot more for God Emperor, and at least a few thousand more for heretics/chapterhouse).

It's so far into the future that mankind is on the cusp of not really being anything like humans as we'd recognize them. Their culture is a strange amalgam of our conservative past with concessions to the needs of Herbert's deep unknowable future, religions whose names we may recognize partially (zensunni, orange catholic bible, etc.) in theory are nothing like their names imply in reality.

He has to pay zero heed or care to the mankind of today from a plot and story perspective. Our culture and politics only matter insofar as they informed Frank Herbert himself. You almost can't become morally alienated from Dune itself, as the setting removes itself from an actual earthly context as much as possible.

Frank Herbert said balls to all of that, i'm gonna write a book about a bunch of feudal space weirdos who rely on LSD for space travel with an entirely unrecognizable, frequently objectionable society.

Zippy the Bummer posted:

All of the characters post-Dune are so loving alien and far removed from humanity as I know it that I cannot relate to them at all and I therefore find it very difficult to give a gently caress about them or their struggles

The rabbits in Watership Down are far more compelling

FAGGY CLAUSE posted:

I honestly never really bought the idea of desert people somehow being superior to the rest of the universe/conquerors. They'd likely be malnourished with poor genetics due to a restrictive gene pool and the need to reproduce like rabbits to replace people dying from a 33 year old life expetancy. The idea of someone transforming themselves into a desert 'creature', waging jihad, and threatening to end civilization by blowing themselves and everyone else around them right the gently caress up was fairly prescient.

FatCow posted:

I listened to the first Dune book and was pretty underwhelmed. Does it get better with the context of the next 2 or should I just jump ship?

I find it hard to believe that the human race just forgot to keep track of it's origin planet/system in a universe where C is still a limit.

DebonaireD posted:

Villenueve is a haaaack

Defiance Industries posted:

I thought they originally used Thinking Machines to plan the flights and the use of spice was a substitute for them after trying to do it manually wasn't working

DebonaireD posted:

The bene gesserit are not the bad guys, that's the emperor and the harkonnen. The witches are power brokers, royal advisors, commandos and the secret orchestrators of galactic events on the millenial scale. They hold all the cards and its not exactly clear that Paul is frustrating their carefully laid plans. They have the last lines in the book.
Frank Herbert dearly loved his wife and stopped writing after she died. She and him are the probable inserts for the final super power characters at the end of chapterhouse. I mean, you have to put all this in the context of the burgeoning feminist movement of the time that writers like Asimov ignored and Herbert embraced. I mean christ guys it feels like we're not even reading the same book here

Arrhythmia posted:

Hell, hosed up if false

Ccs posted:

The summary I read talked about how the Face Dancers were an existential crisis for the Honored Matres and Bene Gesserit because they represent democracy or equality or something in contrast to the Matres and Gesserit tyrannical rule. It was well reasoned but I'm trying to figure how the Face Dancers would actually introduce equality to the universe other than by absorbing everyone.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

also back on movie chat, in my opinion dune needs to be made like one of those 60's epics that's insanely lavishly produced and nearly bankrupts the studio in the process

minimum one intermission and the whole thing has to be shot on 70mm


and no CGI armies, that's gotta be a thousand extras trucked out to the desert

shut up netface posted:

Trailer
Music by Sunn O)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a0Z2yndlOs
fade up to thopters flying over arrakis

FEAR.

cuts to closeup of Paul reciting(I say Dev Patel, its gonna be weird with a pale white guy in a desert the entire time)

FEAR IS THE MIND KILLER
BATTLE SHOTS

FEAR IS THE blah blah voiceover the entirety
shots of benegesserit witches, assorted characters fromthe houses, esp House Harkonnen, more battles, fremen, knife fighting, a vague shape of a navigator in a tank, solid neon blue eyes,


END WITH SHOT OF SANDWORM BREECHING
smash cut to WINTER 2020

basic hitler posted:

Lmao i want a choam gang tag.

Who What Now posted:

Why do the dune worms look like dicks with cavernous foreskins?

etalian posted:

basic hitler posted:

Lmao i want a choam gang tag.

Defiance Industries posted:

I'm deeply suspicious of their methodology in this one.

phasmid posted:

That's what I usually imagined. They travel at translight speeds, but there's still a vector. I think maybe "fold-space" was not literal in the Dune universe, as it would be if we were talking about astrophysics.

Maybe it was his short service in the navy in WW2 or maybe he just liked boats, but it was also cool how the Guild ships were purely off-planet. Built in whatever shapes their architects desired, the downside was that they had to be built in space and couldn't enter a planet's atmosphere without breaking apart from their massive weight. Solution? Frigates and "lighters" just like the kind the old explorers would use to land on beaches while their ships were anchored in the distance. A nice little colonial motif, one of those details that made Herbert's stuff stand out among his contemporaries.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_MyUGq7pgs

JacquelineDempsey posted:

Watching Lynch's D U N E for the 7583'rd time thanks to this thread. Not even watching; I've seen it so many times I can throw it on with the volume maxed out, and putter around the whole house and see Max Von Sydow in my head saying "As for their relation to the spice... who knows?" with perfect clarity.

What I'm saying is, this is my favorite film ever, klutzy as it is. Much like my posting