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Shaddak posted:On the subject of the Dune Legends series (the prequels Brian Herbert co-wrote with Kevin J. Anderson), I would agree that their definitely not "good" books. If you're a big fan of Frank Herbert, or his Dune stuff specifically, don't read them. If you're looking for a mildly entertaining book to read, the kind of thing that has building sized cyborgs destroying poo poo (which I suspect is probably Andersons influence), then go ahead. Their a lot more entertaining if you pretend their action stories that have nothing to do with Dune. I gotta agree with this. Some of the characters are completely flat, and some are written as downright obtusely incompetent, but some parts are good in a pulpy sense. I liked the 3rd faction of cyborgs, and the juxtaposition of turning the Atreides/Harkonnen relationship on its head, plus the campaign of torching hundreds of inhabited planets to make sure they destroyed the machines was pretty  in a horrifying way.
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Tallgeese posted:What's wrong with it? Certainly stands out. I was thinking the Silent Majority did fine work yet again, but what do I know.
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basic hitler posted:Villenvue is uninterested in adapting lynch imagery. He's apparently a pretty big fan of Dune and has his own ideas about where to take it. Boilfaced baron being cultivated by jack nance is pure lynch so good luck I actually prefer the Baron from the SciFi miniseries anyway. Both that and the Lynch movie are mixed bags for me, and it's hard to think a new one would be any less so, but it sure is fun to have someone try.
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Spinster posted:I want an origin story where we learn how the Fremen began. The Brian Herbert/KJA books go through all of this; Earth was destroyed 10,000 years ago in the war against the machines, and some dude forms Zensunni or Buddhislam or something and moves his tribe to Arrakis and they become the Fremen.
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basic hitler posted:Brian/kja tripe is not canon Earth is canonically forgotten/destroyed in Frank's novels anyway.
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Well that would be the most likely reason, even after 10,000 years. If it's an unimportant backwater or whatever that's one thing, but until the Scattering I don't think the human universe is vast enough to have literally no records of Earth.
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basic hitler posted:cities have gone from prosperous regional capitals to completely lost to slowly recovered archaeology site in the span of a few millenia on earth. Troy, Ur, all those indus river civilization ruins. On the one hand, I get that. But on the other hand, how were they lost? Mostly wars/invasions or natural disasters that left them in ruins, I think. And even in a setting with plentiful habitable planets, the one we evolved on and are thus perfectly suited for is still going to be pretty valuable unless something happened to it. The one thing that could weigh heavily on your side is the Butlerian Jihad, and if many records (especially electronic ones) were lost, that could do it. I still think it's more likely Earth was at the center, or at least important to, the machine civilization, even without the KJA books, and if Brian really did use his father's notes that lends further credence.
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Shageletic posted:The Dune miniseries but not the Children one. James Mcavoy was insanely charasmatic and it had pretty suprising level of production leve and the like. The best part about it, other than possibly McAvoy, was that they kept the actor for the Baron in Alia's head from the first miniseries. Any new version of Dune is going to suffer without that guy imo.
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Herr Bazooka posted:I liked Dosadi Experiment a lot and wish Herbert wrote more book from that universe. In addition to the aforementioned Whipping Star, there are a few more short stories in that universe featuring Jorj X. McKie. But sadly that's it.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The miniseries loving suckz trump_wrong.gif It's not great but it has some redeeming qualities.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Unfortunately Herbert's books tend to use gay men exclusively as villains. Isn't Baron Harkonen a gay pedophile? I can't remember if it's in the books, or in something else I read, but I seem to recall the Baron cultivated his vices, such as gluttony and homosexuality, intentionally as a cloak to encourage his enemies to underestimate him. So this is not to say he wasn't gay, but he was playing it up as a ploy to let others think he was simply decadent and lacking in self-control. Villain though he is, the Baron is a great character by virtue of being a truly competent, and thus truly frightening, adversary. I also seem to remember something he wrote about homosexuals remaining in the gene pool despite not being terribly likely to reproduce, because they're advantageous, evolutionarily speaking, as they hate themselves and therefore make excellent berserkers when protecting the tribe. No idea which book that's in anymore; I've read most if not all of his books so good luck!
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BONGHITZ posted:can woman be made into sex slaves in the duniverse? or is it just men? At this point I could be conflating it with the Brian Herbert/KJA books, but iirc Duncan's nth ghola awakens to all of the past memories of all his past lives and becomes a Kwisatz Haderach, due to one of the Reverend Mothers blowing his mind with sex enslavement, and he then does the sex slave thing to her so they're mutually enslaved to each other.
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Shageletic posted:Yeah I'm not trying to make a moral judgment of it, but it, like the politics of most good writers, is strongly opinionated, even if its not exactly my bag. I can see where he's coming from. Yeah, like I'm far from left wing, but I immensely enjoy Kim Stanley Robinson's books because they are just good books. And I mean they're good in part because of his politics, it's not like I'm reading them and all of a sudden "drat it, here's some more socialism," *brain turns off* Anything that makes me think is good for me, whether I agree with it or not.
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I'm going to straight up admit that I read all four of those books and I have only the vaguest memory of what they were even about. My eyes slid across the pages and the words entered my brain, but I apparently did not engage with them at all.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I was just thinking about how badly the prequel books hosed up even the concept of the butlerian jihad. I had always read it as humanity overthrowing the stagnation that robot servants had created. Then Herbert’s idiot son decides that nah, that doesn’t have enough shooting and terminators. Ugh. Really though? I think the shooting and terminators are a depressingly much more realistic vision of what's to come.
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What does your heart tell you, when looking at the entirety of human history.
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I guess I've watched the Terminator movies a little too often then.
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Also after thinking about it some more it's partly that I The characters can be flat and the philosophy and themes, to say the least, are mere wisps in Frank's shadow. But I still appreciate what KJA was trying to do. He brought a few things to the table that surprised me, like the inversion of Harkonnen and Atreides and the third faction of cyborgs. So it's a matter of expecting them to be total crap and they pleasantly surprised me by being only mostly crap. I haven't read the proper Dune books in a while but I also think the stultifying omniscient AI you're talking about is kind of reading current trends back into the scanty details hinted at in Frank's books, but I'm willing to be proven wrong on that point.
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Threepio has a line early in ANH about the spice mines.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:God dammit, I was looking for my copy of Dune and realized I leant it to someone I don’t talk to anymore. This is the third time I’ve done that with this book. I can’t bring myself to just buy a kindle copy even though I do that with 99 percent of all my other books. There’s something about Dune for me that just demands a hard copy, so this cycle’s gonna continue. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "never lend books"?
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Butler? I hardly knew 'er!
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basic hitler posted:They have toned down GoT in response to internet fan backlash, even though it's still very bad. Westworld has everything to say about everything that happens to the hosts. I already won't even watch GoT or Westworld, so I really hope any Dune adaptation keeps it a little less graphic.
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Malcolm XML posted:machine thunking 
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Let's just say they call me "the chadout"
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I call mine Ix, for its length. In centimeters.
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I call mine "The Butlerian Jihad" because it's better in concept than execution.
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"The Abomination"
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op, just want to point out you have the same initials as Brian Herbert. welp, my job here is done.
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The Bloop posted:Lmao a person who named themselves after Hitler being mad about a vague relationship to Brian Herbert's name basic brian
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basic hitler posted:Uhhh you might have a point but well some real funny guy changed my name from my actually good clever name to this so i dont blame you for not knowing that but your point is lost forever now sorry That name? Typoid Mary.
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wait, no, I got it. cobol hitler
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The Bloop posted:Ho C++ Minh I gotta step up my game.
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So if the Face Dancers set up an authoritarian government, would ther followers be face-ists?
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Telling you man, it's about the instrumentality of actions and choices. I mean, if someone decides to do something not for the value of the thing, but they use it as an instrument to further their goals. In other words, bureaucracy.
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