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Doctor Dogballs posted:jesus christ if you honestly think this movie was worse than phantom menace i think the doctors might have been overzealous during your lobotomy The only part that felt prequel-y was Rose and Finn on the Planet Vegas. Also Rose's "We save what we love" mini-speech was uber cringeworthy. The Jedi plot was baller. The B-plot was...eh. It started with a lot of potential with Poe's attack and the bombing run all the way up to Kylo's attack on the cruiser. Then it devolved into https://i.imgur.com/WGBF5yS.gif or maybe https://i.imgur.com/ZevSxJX.gif
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Dec 25, 2017 07:59
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Improbable Lobster posted:Snoke had more development and plot relevance than The Emperor did in the OT. The entire Empire was the Emperor's development. The Empire is the manifestation of his cruelty, with its superweapons and the excessive length they went to hunt down the Rebels. The same can be said about Snoke, actually. He's poorly defined and unexplained and so is the First Order. Who is he? We don't know. How did he turn a remnant of the Empire into an even greater threat? We don't know. He's basically the Triple H of Star Wars, to use a wrestling analogy, and the First Order is the Star Wars equivalent of the boring wrestlers Triple H always seems to be pushing.
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Dec 25, 2017 11:57
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A) This movie is pretty dang bad but you could probably edit it down into a much better movie B) Rogue One is good. Not as good as TFA or the OT but sooo much better than this mess. Let’s confound the expectations of all these people who came expecting a good movie that makes sense.
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Shaggar posted:holdos plan was retarded and even if it wasn't retarded she could have just told everyone what they were planning. You know, like a leader is supposed to do. Her plan is to make poe angry so we can have a lovely plot about poe being angry because he doesn't know whats going on. The hyperdrive into another ship (aka use the transporter to beam over nukes) is the worst thing since midichlorians and was obviously only done cause they had no idea how to write themselves out of a terrible plot. Holdo's plan was good. She was under zero obligation to share her top secret plans with some idiot that was recently demoted and caused the deaths of many people by going against the direct orders of his commanding officer. At the time they didn't know how the baddies were tracking their movements and it could have very well been a spy. Just announcing your plan to everyone that wants to know is ridiculous and not something a leader is "supposed to do". If Poe wasn't so essential and if manpower wasn't already so depleted beyond hopelessness, her plan should have included locking Poe up indefinitely. re: hyperdrive. I am also not a fan of the inconsistent changes made to hyperdrive physics in both this TLJ and Rogue One. Using hyperdrives as weapons make space laser fights and bombs even more obsolete than they already are and would put the basis for much of the conflict in jeopardy. Scene was gratuitously neat looking and very cinematic, tho.
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It's a good movie! It's one third amazing movie (the last Jedi part of The Last Jedi), one third okay movie (Casino Night Zone), and one third terrible movie (Poe Dameron), which adds up to one movie that's pretty good, but a little too long. Final verdict: better than TFAkko posted:Holdo's plan was good. She was under zero obligation to share her top secret plans with some idiot that was recently demoted and caused the deaths of many people by going against the direct orders of his commanding officer. At the time they didn't know how the baddies were tracking their movements and it could have very well been a spy. Just announcing your plan to everyone that wants to know is ridiculous and not something a leader is "supposed to do". If Poe wasn't so essential and if manpower wasn't already so depleted beyond hopelessness, her plan should have included locking Poe up indefinitely. Not locking Poe up was what made the plan bad. Poe should have been executed at the end of the movie to save the Resistance.
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Dec 26, 2017 23:46
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kko posted:Holdo's plan was good. She was under zero obligation to share her top secret plans with some idiot that was recently demoted and caused the deaths of many people by going against the direct orders of his commanding officer. At the time they didn't know how the baddies were tracking their movements and it could have very well been a spy. Just announcing your plan to everyone that wants to know is ridiculous and not something a leader is "supposed to do". If Poe wasn't so essential and if manpower wasn't already so depleted beyond hopelessness, her plan should have included locking Poe up indefinitely. this makes absolutely no sense as if there was a spy on the ship shed have to find who it was and kill it before they started loading the shuttles, a process that would involve a significant portion of the crew. And if shes short on manpower shed be sending poe to load shuttles/start ferrying people off the support ships to the command ship. theres no part of it that makes any sense other than poor writing.
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Dec 27, 2017 00:19
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This movie is unmistakable AIDS
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kko posted:Holdo's plan was good. She was under zero obligation to share her top secret plans with some idiot that was recently demoted and caused the deaths of many people by going against the direct orders of his commanding officer. At the time they didn't know how the baddies were tracking their movements and it could have very well been a spy. Just announcing your plan to everyone that wants to know is ridiculous and not something a leader is "supposed to do". If Poe wasn't so essential and if manpower wasn't already so depleted beyond hopelessness, her plan should have included locking Poe up indefinitely. Finn explained the tracking method pretty early in the plot (it was necessary for the boring exploits of Finns n' Roses). I just can't remember if he told Holdo. If not, he's stupid. If so, she's stupid.
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I liked it a lot, but boy a lot of stuff happened in this movie. Toward the last half hour I was struggling to remember the first scene. But yeah it's very good, I think my threshold for liking Star Wars movies is probably a bit lower than other movies. Even so, I'm glad new Star Wars movies are good instead of not good.
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Dec 27, 2017 11:06
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kko posted:re: hyperdrive. I am also not a fan of the inconsistent changes made to hyperdrive physics in both this TLJ and Rogue One. Using hyperdrives as weapons make space laser fights and bombs even more obsolete than they already are and would put the basis for much of the conflict in jeopardy. Scene was gratuitously neat looking and very cinematic, tho. That scene was great as a piece of science fiction film making but unfortunately bad as a piece of star wars.
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Dec 27, 2017 20:25
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We just got back from seeing it. I can see what annoyed folks, but overall it was not nearly as painful as I had expected. Seeing Ghost Yoda giving Hermit Luke a bunch of poo poo while laying waste to the tree cracked me up. Copy my style and consume weird poo poo on a distant planet, will you? Bonk!
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Dec 28, 2017 06:59
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Heffer posted:That scene was great as a piece of science fiction film making but unfortunately bad as a piece of star wars. I'd say it's the exact opposite. Star Wars was always extremely "World War 2 in space". Going ramming speed/kamikaze to gently caress up an enemy ship as a last-ditch effort fit in just fine. The trouble comes in when you're trying to make it make sense from a physics/hard(ish) sci-fi perspective.
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I like how mechanic Rose suddenly became a master landspeeder pilot lmao
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Cravius posted:I like how mechanic Rose suddenly became a master landspeeder pilot lmao Finn was just a janitor/infantry (enlisted.txt). He needed Poe to fly him off the Star Destroyer just a few days prior to this. He was suddenly able to fly a speeder--the flying kind like in ESB--which admittedly had a training That part of the design didn't make sense. They originally leave the hangar just flying, and only use the ski when the engines falter. But why would that be there? They sucked because they were 30+ years old, not because they were designed to fail.
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Cravius posted:I like how mechanic Rose suddenly became a master landspeeder pilot lmao Luke was just a farmer
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Sax Offender posted:Finn was just a janitor/infantry (enlisted.txt). He needed Poe to fly him off the Star Destroyer just a few days prior to this. He was suddenly able to fly a speeder--the flying kind like in ESB--which admittedly had a training Safety measure or training equipment, I would assume. Most industrial equipment have failsafes.
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ScrubLeague posted:I liked it a lot, but boy a lot of stuff happened in this movie. Toward the last half hour I was struggling to remember the first scene. that's pretty much my only beef with TLJ. the last third got pretty jumbled with all cuts between stories and the ending suffered some of the "false stop" feeling like return of the king or dark knight where you could swear the credits were about to roll but nope. annoying but it didnt ruin any of these movies for me. porgs and planet vegas were a bit prequelly for my tastes but there wasnt enough of either to really damp my enjoyment. it was nice to see luke being a bit of the punk farm kid again in his old age. some of the humor may have been a little misplaced but overall it was nice to have some levity in what was a pretty grim story. i almost felt like the movie was cut too tight for all the stories they were trying to tell. that may have led to some of the jumbling later in the movie. i found myself wondering how all of this was going to wrap up in the time remaining. leia in the frozen void was really harrowing to me, possibly exacerbated by knowing carrie died irl not long after filming. being so strong in the force that she pulled back to the ship gave me chills, gently caress what ya heard. that and when she whispers "luke" while still in the coma. i also liked that it didnt have the "running with a handheld shakycam" jj abrams hallmark. not that its a bad thing, but it always takes me out of the movie a little. overall, much better than tfa, and i like tfa
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Sax Offender posted:Finn was just a janitor/infantry (enlisted.txt). He needed Poe to fly him off the Star Destroyer just a few days prior to this. He was suddenly able to fly a speeder--the flying kind like in ESB--which admittedly had a training Because they threw up sick red rooster tails and left huge bloody wounds in the dirt, they were cool as hell
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Sax Offender posted:Finn explained the tracking method pretty early in the plot (it was necessary for the boring exploits of Finns n' Roses). I just can't remember if he told Holdo. If not, he's stupid. If so, she's stupid. The Death Star tracked the Falcon to Yavin...new tech or not, no one on the cruiser should have had their jaw on the floor that they were tracked.
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Shaggar posted:holdos plan was retarded and even if it wasn't retarded she could have just told everyone what they were planning. You know, like a leader is supposed to do. Her plan is to make poe angry so we can have a lovely plot about poe being angry because he doesn't know whats going on. The hyperdrive into another ship (aka use the transporter to beam over nukes) is the worst thing since midichlorians and was obviously only done cause they had no idea how to write themselves out of a terrible plot.
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the intended effect was that it allowed the transports to escape from bombardment from snoke's ship, but that also doesn't make sense because there were plenty of other star destroyers to gently caress them up and snokes ship is operational for atleast a little while after it starts to break up. tbf I like that idea that snokes ship isn't instantly destroyed and much of it continues to function but it doesn't help the plot any
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Jan 5, 2018 19:05
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Wouldn't the other functional ships just be tied up by a rescue effort
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:Wouldn't the other functional ships just be tied up by a rescue effort Although there were tons of times where there is a good guy in a last surviving ship that then gets to travel a huge distance without being shot and then escapes. Poe in space, Finn on Craite, Finn and Rose on Craite and Casino Zone 3. Everyone else gets picked off and then the named character somehow avoids being shot for minutes. But silly and could have easily been made a bit less ridiculous.
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Jan 6, 2018 07:05
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cowofwar posted:The other ships were just props that actually did nothing. all the ships were actually
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Just went tonight to see it, film had both some riveting highs, and some brutally eye rolling lows. One of the weirdest lows was how in the salt moon gently caress did Finn get Rose's dead weight back to the base after being stuck sixteen feet from a death armada and about 2 miles from the base whose entrance all eyes are watching? It's some intentional joke from the makers about how good he is at running, right? Not to mention the awful scene with both of them right before that. What is Finn's purpose? I put him on the 'Lets wait and see' list if his character will do something this time around and now I'm starting to hate everything he's involved in. But to end it on a high note, despite the previous complaint, I thought it was pretty strong with: Yoda giving Luke some serious sass, that was amazing. The vice admiral's sacrifice was loving astounding. Leia going gently caress you I ain't going down to a bitch hit like that. Luke had to go eventually, but I'm satisfied with how he went, and how he gave everyone in the First Order and Kylo the middle force finger in that whole sequence. Broken master finally came around and did some awesome poo poo. Telling R2 to watch his language was hilarious. I liked how vulnerable Luke was, and how it contrasted with his status of a legend in his dialogue. I do have one question though. What were the golden dice about? I don't remember them previously at all. Is it more than a Han version of fuzzy dice that Leia recognized? Despite its faults, I'll walk away from this experience with the most vivid memories being the strong emotional ups that Star Wars often portrays in its franchise. Looking forward to the next one! Xenaero fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Xenaero posted:Just went tonight to see it, film had both some riveting highs, and some brutally eye rolling lows. Han’s dice were in a corner shot of the millenium falcon cockpit in the original movies and they became kind of a nerd thing. It’s just some fan service.
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Oh yea, also the kid and the broom. I don't know how I left that out. That was definitely on the awesome side of the movie.cowofwar posted:Han’s dice were in a corner shot of the millenium falcon cockpit in the original movies and they became kind of a nerd thing. It’s just some fan service. Ah I gotcha, thanks.
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Lmfao this movie was bad. I don't care about any Star Wars lore, it was just a total mess. The weird poo poo on bizarro Luke's island was hilarious though and for a minute I felt like I'm watching a Terry Gilliam movie. I was expecting a murderous bunny to come on screen any minute. Why won't they ask Gilliam or Besson to direct the next one? Pretty much anything goes now, the premise is compromised anyway, just let sci-fi directors run wild with the material.
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Palpek posted:Lmfao this movie was bad. I don't care about any Star Wars lore, it was just a total mess. This
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this movie fuckin sucked my rear end, two and a half hours of good actors trying their best with bad dialogue writing, bad scripting, bad plotting, bad everything. kylo ren was good, the scene with luke and leia was good, everything else ate the big one. poe tooling on admiral hux was retarded, leia flying looked loving terrible and was stupid from a plot standpoint, holdo not talking about her plan to anyone for no reason was a pointless plot contrivance, the milking scene with luke is one of the fuckin nastiest things i've ever seen, luke's whole plotline was terrible (what was his reason the jedi deserved to die? because they couldn't stop themselves from getting and because he personally hosed up training kylo? that's borderline narcissistic), finn/poe/rose's plotline was dumb (huh rose? it was worth letting the resistance die because you got to save a couple of horses and tear up a casino? what?), rose saving finn was the stupidest decision ever (also like what was their plan with the speeders if it wasn't to get one close enough to crash into the death star cannon? they don't seem to have any fuckin weapons or at least weren't firing back at the tie fighters). i also want to especially point out that luke's big clever plan to send a force hologram took all the impact out of that scene, especially since he died like a minute later anyway. you know what would have had way more dramatic impact? if he'd fought kylo ren and let himself die to inspire a new generation of heroes, just like obi-wan did. everything else was a mess too. every single character was a snark factory to the point that pretty much no one sounds like people. there also a ton of jokes and physical comedy and basically all of them fell flat except chewie feeling bad for roasting a porg, and almost all of them were either during or right after dramatic scenes so any tension the movie managed to build up was dissipated immediately. the pacing was exhausting, the movie's 150 minutes of constant action, which is just bad filmmaking. weird thing that caused too, there were only a handful of actual character moments, and most of them were between kylo, rei or luke. poe and finn in particular got basically 0 screentime together, which sucks because they were one of the best parts of the force awakens. the movie also has two climaxes (kylo/rei's big fight with snoke's guards, finn and rose escaping, the transports blowing up and holdo torching snoke's fleet (which btw, that was loving stupid! why didn't they do that with the other two ships in the fleet and also all the time! gah!) and then the battle of not-hoth.), which is weird? i feel like they probably could have cut one of those. i also want to say, i know that rian johnson (who i usually fuckin love) was going for a deconstruction of star wars in particular and the hero's journey/action movies in general. i get that. the thing is, deconstruction's a fuckin intellectual dead end if you dont also find something interesting to replace it with. this movie was basically two hours of rick sanchez shouting NOTHING WORKS LIKE IT DOES IN THE MOVIES. HEROES AREN'T REAL AND IF THEY WERE THEY'D BE HORRIBLE OR DEAD OR BOTH alongside half an hour of "but what if...we were all the real heroes?" neither's interesting enough to carry the movie philosophically, and i wish they'd saved the effort and just used their time and money to make a good, slick action movie in space instead of this pile of poo poo
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Palpek posted:Lmfao this movie was bad. I don't care about any Star Wars lore, it was just a total mess. wyeah this
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TLJ was great and if you disagree you are a bad and debased person and I would say "sorry for your lots" but idc
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I really liked it. Plot is retarded in places but everything else owns. It makes force awakens better in retrospect, too.
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cowofwar posted:The weird thing is the hyperjump suicide attack actually had no effect on the plot. Purple admiral does it, snoke’s ship breaks in half and whatever then cutscene to a huge landing force on the salt planet or whatever attacking the rebel base. Nothing in the plot mattered and at the end of the movie nothing of significance occurred. People stuff happened.
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Great movie, very star warsy, basically if you didn’t like it you aren’t not a Star Wars fan.
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Shredder's my rear end and Splinter's my balls, this movie is an inside-out rear end in a top hat regurgitated fecal matter!
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In Training posted:Shredder's my rear end and Splinter's my balls, this movie is an inside-out rear end in a top hat regurgitated fecal matter! looks like you're ... *not*... a star wars fan...
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At this phase, I am just glad that the movie did not stop and burst into a musical number. Would have expected at least one Jawa on the casino planet, though.
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