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Nobody else who got in took being undead. Thus they went nuts. Momonga would like to have a mental breakdown but can't cause of his build.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:you'll be disappointed. overlord disappoints everyone eventually. The fact that apparently not even the light novels have had him encounter any other players and therefore an actual challenge counted for me. Mary Sue protagonists are the worst.
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Cuntellectual posted:The fact that apparently not even the light novels have had him encounter any other players and therefore an actual challenge counted for me. There likely is some people that can challenge him. Namely the Platinum Dragon Lord who while his magic is weakened has managed to defeat all the previous Players through subterfuge and intelligence despite being weaker then level 100 players by collecting the proper items from Yggdrasial along with the fact that Wild Magic the magic of Dragons while weakened and corrupted ever since Tier magic came in, does not follow the same rules as Yggdrasil magic. Allowing spells and items created with it to get around Yggdrasil magic. (Likley if Ainz was slashed with a sword empowered by wild magic it would actually horribly damage or kill him as none of the game rules that make him immune to everything else would apply.) Though the Dragon Lord is not likely act against Ainz for a long time until he can ensure a path to victory. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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anyone cautious is unlikely to ever step up to ainz because absolutely no one can figure out what his deal is. his bizarre and inscrutable behavior mostly just confuses and terrifies people who don't worship him as their god.
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MonsterEnvy posted:There likely is some people that can challenge him. Namely the Platinum Dragon Lord who while his magic is weakened has managed to defeat all the previous Players through subterfuge and intelligence despite being weaker then level 100 players by collecting the proper items from Yggdrasial along with the fact that Wild Magic the magic of Dragons while weakened and corrupted ever since Tier magic came in, does not follow the same rules as Yggdrasil magic. Allowing spells and items created with it to get around Yggdrasil magic. (Likley if Ainz was slashed with a sword empowered by wild magic it would actually horribly damage or kill him as none of the game rules that make him immune to everything else would apply.) Though the Dragon Lord is not likely act against Ainz for a long time until he can ensure a path to victory. I don't know if him pushing through things for 95% of the story and maybe having some mild trouble but not really at the end is really that much better than "just pushes through things until the writer gets board." One of the things I do remember from my brief reading of Overlord, though, was that Ainz admitted he wasn't very optimized. I was sort of expecting one of the previous generations of players to come and beat him up at some point, but that doesn't seem to have happened. Also I dislike this on principle. The main character is a pay 2 win! 
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I haven't seen any of the second season yet, having just watched season one on Funimation over the last few days thanks to this thread but the climax of season one seems to pretty explicitly be about Shalltear being able to challenge Ainz. She may have only been able to do so because she was built in such a way that it acted as a hard counter to him, but she could still do it. And Ainz had to use a load of world class items along with a fair bit of trickery to beat her.
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I dunno if "one of his own guys might be able to beat him" counts. 
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Jan 7, 2018 03:30
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Shalltear was corrupted by someone else's influence, so even if you didn't want to count her as a challenge for some reason, then whoever scrambled her presumably would given they had access to magic that even he had trouble with.
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ainz was around the middle of his guild's pvp ranking, but there were a couple people who were at the absolute peak of the game and some others who were strictly crafters. he sacrificed optimizing his character in favor of roleplaying options, but not to the point of completely gimping himself. for example, his overlord class has a bunch of strict requirements and all it gets is a wide area insta-kill spell once per day, which was worthless in the game because no game with pvp has powerful instant death spells. some of the guardians were optimized as much as npc guards could be, others were one-shot gimmicks or godawful nerd jokes made flesh. of course, with the level gap between nazarick and the rest of the world even the purely cosmetic combat maid squad that was never used for anything is all but unstoppable now.
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The lizardman arc is insanely boring and I was wondering how they'd adapt it. We probably won't get to the workers arc which is basically when Ainz fully turns from this borderline pitable guy trying to maintain a wisp of humanity while unhuman and figure out what the gently caress to do with his new "unlife" while also managing his mentally unstable NPCs, to a really pathetic flat out evil loser. Also be glad they changed everything from the webnovel in the light novel regarding some aspects of the worker arc. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Fabricated posted:The lizardman arc is insanely boring and I was wondering how they'd adapt it. my hope is that if the anime ever gets that far they heavily edit or even skip that entire volume. ugh, it's so bad.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:my hope is that if the anime ever gets that far they heavily edit or even skip that entire volume. ugh, it's so bad. So why is this popular, then?
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Pollyanna posted:So why is this popular, then? most people don't get to the torture porn volume, and of those that do some make excuses for it and others are into that sort of thing.
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I read far ahead in the light novel and kinda checked out. There's a lot of setups but not a lot of payoff, and Ainz in general becomes less and less likable as time goes on. How many episodes is this? Please tell me the whole season isn't going to be all episodes with like 60 seconds of the Ainz crew and like 24 minutes of lizard politics. There's at least something resembling an interesting arc that follows Ainz and co. after that which hits the stuff that everyone enjoys about the series- namely big evil organizations/govts thinking they're hot poo poo and blundering into Ainz and co. to get utterly loving murked- with the reader knowing it's coming from the first word and the playout of what you know is gonna happen being enjoyable.
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Fabricated posted:The lizardman arc is insanely boring and I was wondering how they'd adapt it. I think the Lizard arc is quite fun.
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I've only seen the manga version but I thought the lizardmen were great. Especially the romance. 
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One Punch Man shows that having a superpowered protagonist that can win any fight effortlessly can still be good because the focus isn't on the resolution of those fights. They still happen because everyone loves a good show and such fights tend to be pretty spectacular, but the focus for them is more on the setup (why are they fighting) and what actually happens during those fights (the spectacle of it.) Most of the actual challenge the Nazrick people have is that they're in a new world, they don't know WTF, no one is an NPC anymore so they actually have feelings/personalities to flex and discover and while they might be massively powerful they're not absolute Top Dogs: Shalltear's betrayal by magical coercion displayed that. Sure Ainz beat her via knowing her ins and outs and coming prepared (with cash shop items to boot) but honestly? That's the smart villain way to fight. Plus y'know. No more cash shop. (I only have the first season and the manga adaptation to go on with this. I am slow on the uptake with light novels )Fabricated posted:There's at least something resembling an interesting arc that follows Ainz and co. after that which hits the stuff that everyone enjoys about the series- namely big evil organizations/govts thinking they're hot poo poo and blundering into Ainz and co. to get utterly loving murked- with the reader knowing it's coming from the first word and the playout of what you know is gonna happen being enjoyable. This is probably the nugget of why I like Overlord. Also I too liked the lizardman arc, mostly for the character development.
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I feel like I enjoy Overlord for the same reason I enjoy One Punch Man. in that one is about a hero for fun who accidentally saves the world, while all the plot tends to walk around him, and the other is an Lich who might accidentally conquer the world, again as the plot walks around him. Mostly cause of how OP these two are in the respective shows and media, the dumb things happen to them where the more grounded, and somber things happen to their respected friends/underlings
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The thing that makes One Punch Man (and the just finished, also amazing, Mob Psycho 100 from the same writer) work is that the protagonist's godlike powers don't actually give him what he wants. In fact, they're worse than useless. Saitama's goal in life is to get in good fights, but in a larger sense, it's to find purpose. He wants something beyond the depressing grind of his daily life. His power makes the first goal impossible, meaning his arc is about finding something other than fights, like his friendship with King, the strongest man alive. Ainz, from what I've picked up, benefits from his power in the narrative. It allows him to solve problems that he wants to solve. It's a rather different position, and one where being overpowered carries much more risk of being damaging to the story. But, I haven't seen Overlord, so... can't say I'm operating from full information.
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Stevefin posted:I feel like I enjoy Overlord for the same reason I enjoy One Punch Man. in that one is about a hero for fun who accidentally saves the world, while all the plot tends to walk around him, and the other is an Lich who might accidentally conquer the world, again as the plot walks around him. Mostly cause of how OP these two are in the respective shows and media, the dumb things happen to them where the more grounded, and somber things happen to their respected friends/underlings If the show was just monster goofballs shooting the poo poo at their fort it might be good, hell that's what I thought it would be in the first three or so episodes. Unfortunately it isn't, it's a really boring power fantasy. Now I hope the show improves in this second season, but I really doubt it based on how everyone who has read the later light novels is talking.
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Can we delegate LN discussion to a separate thread because it seems to be getting out of hand.
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chiasaur11 posted:The thing that makes One Punch Man (and the just finished, also amazing, Mob Psycho 100 from the same writer) work is that the protagonist's godlike powers don't actually give him what he wants. In fact, they're worse than useless. ainz doesn't get what he wants because despite his godlike power all he wants is to go back in time and play the mmo with his friends again.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I actually think comparing with One Punch Man is pretty perfect for point out what's wrong with Overlord. In both shows the best bits are the sitcom style jokes caused by the main cast loving around, and the worst bits are attempts at world building and world politics. OPM just straight up doesn't both with that stuff most of the time and when it does the scene is usually played for a visual joke or allowing a character to hit an emotional high point. Overlord though wastes our time playing everything straight. OPM would not have been improved by a detailed explanation of the specific technical aspects of the hero exam and a breakdown of the pay stall for different heroes, but Overlord decides that it's a real good idea to spend a huge amount of time pretending to be low level adventurers, or explaining the politics of the dudes about to get owned. And what you don't like about it is what what I like about Overlord  In that is takes its time to build up the world around it, sure it does not have to, but it makes for a more interesting experience, also it gives a vibe in that the longer it goes, the more we are supposed to root for the other side if what the LN guys say is true that Ainz goes nuts Stevefin fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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chiasaur11 posted:
Though I remember a funny scene when he was talking with King. King was recommending hobbies and things for Saitama to try and Saitama dismissed them. All leading King to more or less say this. "So you don't feel satisfied with your life because your so strong, yet you are unwilling to try new things to make your life more satisfying."
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All these complaints about the main character being overpowered make me wonder how Fist of the North Star would be received if it was made today. I like Overlord for the fact its one of those tired trapped-in-an-MMO things but the author actually seems to have played MMOs. Of course a player character would be overpowered as hell, the end game for MMOs is usually killing literal gods. My favorite bit in the first season was joking with a friend how it'd be funny if Ainz shows up to fight Shalltear wearing ugly mismatched gear because its his resist set, and then he actually does. I've heard about the awfulness that happens later in the story, but for now its a pretty fun take on the boring isekai genre.
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Stevefin posted:And what you don't like about it is what what I like about Overlord That being said I'm glad you're able to get enjoyment out of it. I just hope that it improves enough by my estimations that I'll be able to enjoy it too. Bybus Slago posted:All these complaints about the main character being overpowered make me wonder how Fist of the North Star would be received if it was made today.
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Bybus Slago posted:All these complaints about the main character being overpowered make me wonder how Fist of the North Star would be received if it was made today. Probably less well. On the other hand Fist of the North Star is basically concentrated testosterone, and it's easier to root for Ken than it is NEET dickhead #7521 or brooding mysterious hero #128462. Incidentally, I always thought it was kinda weird how Ken was presented as one of the goodest of the good guys, but he was kinda sadistic. Terrible Opinions posted:I actually think comparing with One Punch Man is pretty perfect for point out what's wrong with Overlord. In both shows the best bits are the sitcom style jokes caused by the main cast loving around, and the worst bits are attempts at world building and world politics. OPM just straight up doesn't both with that stuff most of the time and when it does the scene is usually played for a visual joke or allowing a character to hit an emotional high point. Overlord though wastes our time playing everything straight. OPM would not have been improved by a detailed explanation of the specific technical aspects of the hero exam and a breakdown of the pay stall for different heroes, but Overlord decides that it's a real good idea to spend a huge amount of time pretending to be low level adventurers, or explaining the politics of the dudes about to get owned. Yeah, I was interested when it was more along the lines of random office worker has to try and trick his minions into thinking he's hard-core evil, but then it's like "Oh my emotions are dull, guess I'll just be a bad dude" which is lame. I really don't think world building and politics are a bad thing, and seems kind of weird to say so (do i get to make a joke about terrible opinions now), but I feel like Overlord kind of does it in a boring way. Everything is kind of generic and uninteresting and the writer skips over any real focus on the parts that might be interesting in favor of more scenes of of Ainz effortlessly blowing people up and being surrounded by super sexy waifus. The resist set joke was pretty funny, though. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 22:51
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Well I mean I don't think world building is inherently bad. I just think the world shown in Overlord isn't very interesting and the show isn't very good at world building.
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"Sasuga, Ainz-sama! You care not for your appearance and dress how you will!" I really need to work on my holy resistance gear.
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Bybus Slago posted:My favorite bit in the first season was joking with a friend how it'd be funny if Ainz shows up to fight Shalltear wearing ugly mismatched gear because its his resist set, and then he actually does. wait what, i didn't notice that at all
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where the red fern gropes posted:wait what, i didn't notice that at all He got rid of his normal super ornate black robes and wore a lovely brown monk robe because it was his holy resist gear.
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One last thing: Another big thing that sets OPM (and FotNS) apart from Overlord is how the characters interact with the world. Kenshiro is constantly bursting into manly tears over the plight of his fellow man. Saitama gets zero respect from pretty much everybody except Genos. Everyone kinda loves or fears Ainz and he just kind of goes along with things.
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This is gonna be crap but its about virtual mmos so ill watch it anyways Also the english voice actor is that dude from teamfourstar Jackard fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP4qnOKGbis
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Very good launch episode, such a setup and that intro should get everyone curious. I do hope they embellish a bit on the novel though.
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Hello Nozawa.
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Good opening. Out of curiosity is the Cruchyroll episode a week behind?
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Sindai posted:I've only seen the manga version but I thought the lizardmen were great. Especially the romance. Yeah same here I dug the Lizard arc and was rooting for them pretty much from the start. It'll be nice to see Ainz taking over the world in a nicer way before he apparently slides into eviler stuff.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Good opening.
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