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Dang, Zanac seemed like a decent person. Shame about being born human in this evil power fantasy.
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Am I missing a bunch of context for why genocide is the only answer here? Another anime told me genocide was bad.
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Sep 7, 2022 08:03
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https://i.imgur.com/IJzw2ZR.mp4 Overlord.mp4 dipwood posted:Am I missing a bunch of context for why genocide is the only answer here? This season skipped over a couple volumes between episodes 7 and 8 because they're apparently going to be adapted in a movie, or something. It's an odd decision that's probably left a lot of viewers quite confused but I guess the anime is ultimately just advertisement for the LN so whatever. Ainz is resorting to genocide partly because he wants to live up to the image the NPC's have of him and also partly because he's slowly succumbing to becoming the evil skellyman he's reincarnated into. Compare even just last season where Ainz insisted several people of interest to him be spared. Now here he meets Zanac and despite thinking he's kind of a cool guy is mostly just "sorry but I gotta murder you, anyway where are all your sweet artifacts for me to loot???" and then when the nobles kill Zanac his response is "meh, send 'em to the torture chamber I guess. I'm bored, somebody else handle all this." Part of it is also that it's starting to finally hit home for him that his guildmates aren't also in the new world for him to find, so he's transposing his nostalgia for the friendship he shared with them onto their creations and bending over backwards to make sure they're safe/happy.
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Sep 7, 2022 08:16
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It kind of make sense. I mean in a way these are his friends' children, so he wants to make them happy. There's also an extremely real possibility that he, and several of the NPCs, are going to live essentially forever., so wiping a country off the map isn't such a big deal on the scale of several thousands or millions of years.
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Sep 7, 2022 08:46
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I do hope at the very end he gets what's coming to him, like there is one guild mate who came over and it is Touch Me who is rightfully horrified about what his friend has become. You can't just keep being a giga-hitler and have a happy ending.
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Sep 7, 2022 18:51
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It seems like it would’ve been easy to back out of the slaughter plan if he really wanted to. He just had to say something like “It’s pointless to reign over an empty land, so I’ll dispose of this country’s corrupt leaders and the common folk will learn to celebrate my glorious rule”. That sounds suitably overlord-ish to appease his underlings while still keeping the killing to a minimum.
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Sep 7, 2022 22:43
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Remember Ainz also has no idea what his own plan is, and thinks just full backing off something will look bad to his minions. Cause he's also kind of stupid.
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Sep 7, 2022 22:55
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Bakeneko posted:It seems like it would’ve been easy to back out of the slaughter plan if he really wanted to. He just had to say something like “It’s pointless to reign over an empty land, so I’ll dispose of this country’s corrupt leaders and the common folk will learn to celebrate my glorious rule”. That sounds suitably overlord-ish to appease his underlings while still keeping the killing to a minimum. He doesn't really want to though, Ainz essentially doesn't care at all about anybody outside of Nazarick unless they're a potential threat or unique enough to pique his "collector" interests. Remember Ainz killed hundreds of thousands of people last season while monologuing about how he doesn't feel anything for the dead while doing so, and then jumping for joy at how many evil creatures the dead let him summon that he could unleash on the survivors. To Ainz it's already enough of a pain as is that he had to sneak some survivors out the back door to satisfy Nigredo and Pestonya, he's not about to call off the genocide and potentially disappoint his floor guardians for the sake of what to him are meaningless randos.
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Sep 7, 2022 23:11
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The smartest character in the show is the nerd dragon.
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I think it's telling that Ainz only loses interest once Zanac gets murked. I believe that he wanted to see just what ends he would go to during the fight, and reveal what a true noble would do against total despair. Zanac may have been able to survive as a disgraced king I'm exile in that case. But instead, Ainz gets a confirmation that men are self-centered opportunists who murdered a forthright ruler to save their sorry asses. Like what's even the point in crushing a bunch of low level grunts at that point. Someone said they couldn't see how this stretches to another 3 episodes but I figure 2 for the fights, 1 for another comedy spa day and we get a decent wrapup done. We could easily open on Ainz recovering the armor with a field of red in the next episode as they prepare to walk into the capital city.
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Sep 8, 2022 04:43
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It really feels like they're avoiding showing most of the human-specific massacring.
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Sep 8, 2022 05:16
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The story would be downright miserable rather than just pretty dark if they didn't. Or you could say it helps the audience keep the same distance Ainz does from it.
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Sep 8, 2022 07:56
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Kung Food posted:I do hope at the very end he gets what's coming to him, like there is one guild mate who came over and it is Touch Me who is rightfully horrified about what his friend has become. You can't just keep being a giga-hitler and have a happy ending. At this point it feels like literally no-one or nothing in the setting has the capacity to really harm Ainz and/or Nazarick to give any kind of justice. I agree it'd be a weird ending to reward the genocidal lich, but it doesn't actually seem like the story has even pretended there's any other possibility till now unless Ainz has a moment of clarity and takes himself out somehow. Which wouldn't even be all that great, since it'd untether Nazarick from even the slight leash he puts on them and they'd presumably just ravage the entire world.
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Sep 8, 2022 11:34
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In thirty years they reopen Yggdrasil as Yggdrasil Classic with no level cap. After a month some level 400 power gamer gets isekai'd into hell world.
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Sep 8, 2022 12:01
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tsob posted:At this point it feels like literally no-one or nothing in the setting has the capacity to really harm Ainz and/or Nazarick to give any kind of justice. I agree it'd be a weird ending to reward the genocidal lich, but it doesn't actually seem like the story has even pretended there's any other possibility till now unless Ainz has a moment of clarity and takes himself out somehow. Which wouldn't even be all that great, since it'd untether Nazarick from even the slight leash he puts on them and they'd presumably just ravage the entire world. The book mentions a couple of things the Theocracy of Slane has that might be capable of harming Ainz. They have a super powerful angel they can summon at a high cost, and there is also the daughter of a another player from Yggdrasil that might be able to challenge him. Also, Nazarick has a super poweful NPC (another sister of Albedo) that also might be able to hurt him.
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Sep 8, 2022 14:29
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New world has been conquered by multiple cycles of isekai'd players. I think if the LN is really going to end in two more books then it'll be something like the ending in the what-if story where time jumps 100 years and the newly isekai'd player make an ominous entrance and the story ends.
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Sep 8, 2022 14:42
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pedro0930 posted:New world has been conquered by multiple cycles of isekai'd players. I think if the LN is really going to end in two more books then it'll be something like the ending in the what-if story where time jumps 100 years and the newly isekai'd player make an ominous entrance and the story ends. Yeah, but Yggdrasil is shut down, so Ainz was probably the last one. Unless its players from a private server.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Yeah, but Yggdrasil is shut down, so Ainz was probably the last one. Unless its players from a private server. There have been several centuries of isekai players. Whatever the cause it is not a 1 to 1 timeframe.
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I had thought that the two worlds were asynchronous, and that the isekai'd players were just showing up at 100 year intervals regardless of when they got zapped out of VR. I'm still one volume behind, and this isn't really plot relevant but is it still a theory that those who got isekai'd were the ones in proximity to the 200 World items? With Nazarick being somewhat unique in that they got zoinked with a whopping 10 of the things, because they're sociopathic hoarders. Like theoretically the six great gods who founded the theocracy's and the eight greed kings also had a world item or three between them.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:37
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Kung Food posted:There have been several centuries of isekai players. Whatever the cause it is not a 1 to 1 timeframe. Yeah, but there seems to be direct correlation between the timelines. The earlier players seem to be slightly weaker.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:38
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It seems more like, since they were game players, they were using systems without actually understanding how they work, so they may have been able to help the locals make stuff similar to their game items, but once they were gone it was slowly lost to time.
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Sep 8, 2022 19:37
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pedro0930 posted:New world has been conquered by multiple cycles of isekai'd players. I think if the LN is really going to end in two more books then it'll be something like the ending in the what-if story where time jumps 100 years and the newly isekai'd player make an ominous entrance and the story ends. I think it's been implied that there maybe a sequel story for heroes coming to oppose him.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Yeah, but there seems to be direct correlation between the timelines. The earlier players seem to be slightly weaker. Do we actually know this? They conquered the world and had their own world items, one of which was strong enough to mind control Shaltear.
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Sep 8, 2022 21:50
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Kung Food posted:Do we actually know this? They conquered the world and had their own world items, one of which was strong enough to mind control Shaltear. Not definitive, but the magic users of the world don't seem to even be aware of the existence of the higher tiers of magic. Even if they can't use them themselves, they should be aware of them. It was the players that made the world aware of the Yggdrasil magic system in the first place.
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I figured it was the "data" concept that's occasionally mentioned, with more data taking longer to transfer to the new world. IIRC, there were some presumably solo players (six great gods), then a whole guild with a guildhouse (eight greed kings), then Nazarick, a nine-floor dungeon made by whales who paid extra to expand the base and create hundreds of NPCs. The world items could have come over even without owners, but who knows.
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Sep 8, 2022 22:20
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The head mage of the empire had heard of high tier magic, he just didn't think it possible before Ainz showed him. Also the albino lizard lady recognized 4th and 5th tier spells. Momonga told the guild he had a crystal with an 8th tier spell in it when telling them how he would take out the vampire. People know about the higher tiers, they are just extremely rare things (A normal person never gets above 3rd tier). Let's not forget the last players before Ainz lived 200 years ago, so plenty of time for things to be forgotten, not to mention that there was an outbreak of "Evil Gods" during time that nearly killed the whole world so a lot of knowledge would have been lost. I really don't have anything to back it up, but I was under the impression that there was 1 summoning event, but the actual arrivals were centuries apart. Kung Food fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Could also be that whatever mechanism isekai'd Ainz isn't locked to just Yggdrasil and previous Players were from different worlds (digital or otherwise).
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Sep 8, 2022 22:44
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Kung Food posted:The head mage of the empire had heard of high tier magic, he just didn't think it possible before Ainz showed him. Also the albino lizard lady recognized 4th and 5th tier spells. Momonga told the guild he had a crystal with an 8th tier spell in it when telling them how he would take out the vampire. People know about the higher tiers, they are just extremely rare things (A normal person never gets above 3rd tier). Let's not forget the last players before Ainz lived 200 years ago, so plenty of time for things to be forgotten, not to mention that there was an outbreak of "Evil Gods" during time that nearly killed the whole world so a lot of knowledge would have been lost. The world seems to have some biological absolutism going on, where most races simply just can't physically handle using magic above a certain tier. When the dorkus from the theocracy Ainz killed way back at the start of the series summoned the angel that Ainz one shot, he bragged about it being seventh tier magic which was beyond the realm of humans. It might just be lifespan related, since most of the new world casters who are above chump level we see are pseudo-immortals like dragons or Evileye, and Fluder Paradyne is regarded as the most powerful human mage and he's old as poo poo.
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even if the natives gain levels the same way as yggdrasil players (it's never been very clear), the process of grinding is completely different when translated into reality.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:even if the natives gain levels the same way as yggdrasil players (it's never been very clear), the process of grinding is completely different when translated into reality. The natives gain experience by doing stuff related classes that existed in Yggdrasil and if they get enough exp they get levels, which boost their stats even if the classes are non combat. Enri for example gained a bunch of levels in the commander and general classes by ordering around the goblin troop she summoned, and the associated stat boosts she got are the reason she's able to beat the goblins in arm wrestling and slams a knife down on the counter so hard it dents the medal. It's also why she's able to get the trolls to submit to her orders just by yelling at them: she's using her class abilities. The rate at which you level seems to be something inborn and different from person to person though, for example Climb trains like crazy but doesn't have many levels and is described by Gazof as "capped at gold".
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FilthyImp posted:Someone said they couldn't see how this stretches to another 3 episodes but I figure 2 for the fights, 1 for another comedy spa day and we get a decent wrapup done. We could easily open on Ainz recovering the armor with a field of red in the next episode as they prepare to walk into the capital city.
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"Hey, Albedo's being pretty informal with Ainz, is this character development?" And I still got surprised by the Pandora's Actor reveal even with all the clues.
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Show bad
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Flesnolk posted:Show bad Anything else to input.
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I have imparted the ultimate Overlord wisdom
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Honestly, having not read the web novels at all this season doesn't seem that weird to me. The only real issue I had with this episode is that I expected Pandora's actor to get a lot more poo poo for having Ainz grovel to the knight guy.
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s4 e12 drat i was not expecting to watch blue roses beat up lakyus like that but it made complete sense afterward
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They skipped one of the most important parts of a character's arc. Brain Unglaus managed to become powerful enough to clip one of Shalltear's nails in the end in the LN.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:They skipped one of the most important parts of a character's arc. Brain Unglaus managed to become powerful enough to clip one of Shalltear's nails in the end in the LN. They already did that in season 2.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:They skipped one of the most important parts of a character's arc. Brain Unglaus managed to become powerful enough to clip one of Shalltear's nails in the end in the LN. He did that way earlier.
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