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Top 5: 1) Franklin D Roosevelt 2) Ronald Reagan 3) Lyndon Johnson 4) Woodrow Wilson 5) Richard Nixon
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1) William McKinley Because nothing says 20th century American foreign and domestic policy like diplomacy at the barrel of a gun and overseas intervention
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Jan 5, 2018 03:43
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1) TRUMP *click*
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Jan 5, 2018 03:53
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420) President Jack Cahill
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Jan 5, 2018 03:53
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1) Gerald Ford 2) Gerald Ford 3) Gerald Ford 4) Gerald Ford 5) Gerald Ford 6) Gerald Ford 7) Gerald Ford 8) Calvin Coolidge 9) Gerald Ford 10) Gerald Ford
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Jan 5, 2018 03:58
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1. TRUMP
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Jan 5, 2018 04:34
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OP please describe the term "important" I like this and have been cogitating on it but I want us to have an agreement on what exactly we're ranking. I feel like we can argue differences between historical importance and policy importance.
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Jan 5, 2018 04:43
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Cheney is definitely in the top 10, that's for sure.
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Jan 5, 2018 05:16
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lol i 8 rankin that many pieces of poo poo op
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Jan 5, 2018 05:18
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it's trump
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Jan 5, 2018 05:26
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When u think about It Gerald Ford is mostly proto trump
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Jan 5, 2018 05:36
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mike pence is the better comparison to ford, or at least he soon will be
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Jan 5, 2018 05:37
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1. FDR for obvious reasons 2. Truman built the entire security state and started the Cold War in earnest 3. McKinley 4. GWB for destroying the middle east 5. TRUMP
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Jan 5, 2018 05:50
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1. Dylan 2. Dylan 3. Dylan 4. Dylan 5. Dylan
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Jan 5, 2018 06:05
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1. FDR 2. Reagan 3. Teddy Roosevelt 4. LBJ 5. Clinton the top three left a mark on the political direction of america for decades after they left office. FDR's policies drove the country until Reagan was elected, whose legacy we're still suffering under. Teddy is number 3 because the Progressive Era was much shorter lived by comparison pretty much everyone else from that time frame are a bunch of guys following in their footsteps. i put LBJ at number 4 because he brought about both a further realization of the New Deal and the beginning of a sense of national disillusionment. Clinton is number 5 because he signaled an about-face from decades of Democratic Party policy under FDR, which is still being followed today in spite of many signs of this coming to an end sooner rather than later
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Jan 5, 2018 06:35
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Taft Taft Taft TAFt TAft AFTF TAFT FTAf Tatf Taft Taft Truman
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Jan 5, 2018 22:51
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1. FDR 2. LBJ 3. Nixon 4. Reagan 5. George W. Bush GWB might be controversial, but I think he's pretty much directly responsible for the rise of fascism in the West. The Iraq War lead to instability in the middle east, which caused the refugee crisis in Europe, and that was rocket fuel for the far-right.
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Jan 5, 2018 23:33
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1. FDR - While it was likely due to him running at the right time, he did come at a time when the American people and economists had a left learning surge. His terms were at a time that cultivated American leftism. And while he wasn't the left's best friend, he wasn't the worst enemy either. 2. Reagan - The American reactionary movement was boiling for years and Reagan took full advantage. He dominated the political sphere at managed to craft not only American politics in his image, but American culture as well. 3. Trump - Yes, Trump. This is extremely early, but Trump's victory marked the end of "the end of history" and third wayism. He showed how truly weak and ineffective liberalism is. And his win resulted in the "radicalization" of many on both the right and the left. If/when the political consensus looks significantly a generation from now, Trump's presidency will be involved heavily, as he proved to the racists that "one of them" can win power in the Big House and to the left that the liberals have no loving clue what they are doing so you have to do it yourself. 4. LBJ - The last real Democrat to many. Basically translated to poo poo foreign policy, good domestic policy. He may not have had the best decorum, he did get poo poo done. The Great Society tenets may have never been passed without him, while the Civil Rights Act likely passed a decade or so earlier than it would have otherwise. 5. Bill Clinton - Reagan beat back American leftism to the point that it was on life support. However, it was Bill Clinton who pulled the plug. Embracing Third Wayism fully, Clinton deregulated what Reagan could not, most notably the banks and the media, as well as tried to privatize social security. He led the police to become further militaristic and jailed large amounts of people, especially those of color. His election wins also popularized the concept of "running in the middle" in an attempt to not offend liberal and conservative voters too much. Which was a tactic that only "worked" under highly specific conditions (e.g. the lowest voter turnout in American history for the two main parties at the time).
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MaxxBot posted:1) TRUMP Yossarian-22 posted:1. TRUMP Trumps Baby Hands posted:it's trump tormp is defiantly the most impotent persident
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Jan 6, 2018 01:28
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Pepperoneedy posted:1) William McKinley john hay bullshitting our way into the chinese market is the greatest  of foreign policy
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Jan 6, 2018 01:33
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1)  Please clap...
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Jan 6, 2018 01:44
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1) FDR 2) Teddy 3) LBJ 4) Reagan 5) Bill Clinton I'm looking at it as impactful reformers. FDR and Teddy shook poo poo up unprecedentedly. LBJ cuz he created the modern social programs that we know. Reagan and Slick Willie created our current neoliberal hell by rolling stuff back and letting Wall Street rules us.
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Jan 6, 2018 02:36
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Teddy was a big dumb oaf, but his antitrust and anti-corruption policies were groundbreaking.
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Jan 6, 2018 02:37
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good lists so far
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Jan 6, 2018 02:38
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maybe we should start listing our 6-15 picks?
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Jan 6, 2018 02:38
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Trump *click* *rumble rumble rumble* is this thing still on? Trump! *click*
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Jan 6, 2018 02:40
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president of what?
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Jan 6, 2018 02:41
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get that OUT of my face posted:the top three left a mark on the political direction of america for decades after they left office. FDR's policies drove the country until Reagan was elected, whose legacy we're still suffering under. Teddy is number 3 because the Progressive Era was much shorter lived by comparison FDR is really in a league of his own in terms of his impact on American (and maybe even global) society, every subsequent administration and congress got defined by whether and how much it supported the new deal programs. Even Reagan and Clinton only managed to tweak the new deal at the margins, not even Reagan was able to privatize SS or truly reduce the administrative state.
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punk rebel ecks posted:1. FDR - While it was likely due to him running at the right time, he did come at a time when the American people and economists had a left learning surge. His terms were at a time that cultivated American leftism. And while he wasn't the left's best friend, he wasn't the worst enemy either. yeah same
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punk rebel ecks posted:1. FDR - While it was likely due to him running at the right time, he did come at a time when the American people and economists had a left learning surge. His terms were at a time that cultivated American leftism. And while he wasn't the left's best friend, he wasn't the worst enemy either. if i could post this on a wall i would 
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Jan 6, 2018 03:58
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punk rebel ecks posted:Trump's victory marked the end of "the end of history" and third wayism. quote:Following Britain's decision to leave the European Union and the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States in 2016, Fukuyama feared for the future of liberal democracy in the face of resurgent populism,[17][18][19] and the rise of a "post-fact world",[20] saying that "twenty five years ago, I didn't have a sense or a theory about how democracies can go backward. And I think they clearly can." He also warned that America's political rot was infecting the world order to the point where it "could be as big as the Soviet collapse".[19]  WHOOPS
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Jan 6, 2018 04:35
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Pepperoneedy posted:1) William McKinley his name is William Denali now
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Jan 6, 2018 05:42
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It's way too early to say too much about Trump IMO. Third way politics is weakened and losing influence, but it's still very much alive and kicking and has some degree of sway over the Democratic Party. The reactionary march towards the right that started under Reagan would have gone on anyway had Hillary won. The left was already mobilized to a degree in the primary, but it's certainly gone into overdrive under Trump. Under Hillary, the full power of the DNC would have been dedicated to crushing that movement, but as things stand now, I have doubts that a left-wing movement will get as much power this year as we want it to. Trump did bring about a post-Fukuyama neoliberal consensus world in the US, but this is also nothing new in other parts of the world. Populist right-wing surges happened outside of the Anglosphere a couple years before in Poland, Hungary, and Austria. Before that, Italy got the ball rolling with Berlusconi, who is probably the leader most similar to Trump. After 2018, the picture might be more clear.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Trump's victory marked the end of "the end of history"
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Jan 6, 2018 06:38
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Dongslayer. posted:1. Dylan you son of a bitch
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1. FDR based president 2. Reagan 666 3. Nixon end of the GOLD STANDARD, architect of the drug war (a way for him to criminalize blacks and hippies), kept vietnam going by scuttling a peace deal because it served his political interests 4. Johnson Great society (which ultimately failed) + vietnam (ditto) 5. Truman possibly the first person to truly understand the real effect of the atomic bomb (ie understood that they weren't just another weapon, and was willing to tell mcarthur to go gently caress himself when he suggested nuking korea), began the shift in us policy away from isolationism to interventionism, started racial integration in the armed forces
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while i agree in a limited degree to the 'rubicon' nature of the trump presidency, i'm not sure that future historians will rate him personally as influential, because he's ultimately an object, not a subject of history his election is an expression of an ongoing historical process, and his own presidency so far as been him being just a figure head for the gop establishment to do what it wants. nothign he's advocated has been outside the gop mainstream, and he's shown neither an ability or willingness to commit to anything beyond his own ego
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666.Barrack Hussein Obama
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