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Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Darkman Fanpage posted:

if the us wasnt backing the ypg in northern syria turkey and its islamist rebel puppets would be sweeping through

imagine if the black march continued to this day and you'd have an idea of what it would be like if the united states didn't involve itself in syria

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Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Well seeing how badly the Turks did trying to fight ISIS I'd say that their odds are pretty good

Turks wouldn't bleed themselves to fight ISIS (because they were allies lmao) but Erdogan shall send them to their graves if it means killing the decadent kurd. if they just want to send in the fsa with turkish support as a repeat of the ES campaign then yea, lmao, this is a big pile of nothing...but we'll see what sort of fool erdogan plays himself to be in the next few weeks

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This isn't a plan to protect Rojava from being invaded, it's a plan to turn it into another permanently occupied section of the Middle East that the United States can use as a launch pad to attack or invade anywhere else.

it can be both and its only theoretical at the moment but increasingly likely to occur

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

A plan to move in 30,000 US troops and construct a border fence through the middle of Syria isn't theoretical.

oh well

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

it was supposed to be the us that betray the kurds for geopolitical convenience not russia and assad

who could have seen this coming

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Willie Tomg posted:

the US is still betraying them, its just instead of a shakespearean washing-of-hands its more like even with a couple thousand special forces on the ground the actual leadership is apparently hoping if they cover their eyes for a week the SDF can be consigned to the great big wastebasket of nice ideas that didn't sugar out.

which has to be just a faaaaaaaaaannnnnnntastic state of affairs for the special forces soldiers in question, to effectively be representing State's (utter lack of) local interests

I genuinely believe that it's up in the air and that the US sticking with the Kurds would be on equally as convenient and cynical as abandoning them. Israel and Saudi Arabia already view Turkey as hostile and it's been years since Erdogan has made a concrete move towards the West as he consistently joins Russia and Iran. I wouldn't say that its even odds but there is an outcome where the US sticks with the East Euphrates project and new battle lines take place in the Middle East.

I wonder what will happen to Manbij. It's the same target it ever was and if a real attack occurs the US would be the power to intercede as opposed to Afrin being caught with the regime since the start.

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Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They don't have as many resources or combat experience as the YPG in Rojava, but they've also had years to prepare for a Turkish attack. So long as the primary thrust is by Salafist FSA flunkies they've got a fighting chance.

without heavy weapons it'll be brutal but its still possible

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