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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Spinster posted:

I've been considering doing a "Wiki-Hell" about how not to date but I wasn't sure I could draw Aziz Ansari, overjoyed with this 5 minute first attempt :wink:


I think you nailed him spins


anyways here's a depiction of a typical reptilian overlord


sigma 6 posted:

There once was an unfinished head in a sketchbook. I tried to add a body. I dunno. Man hands (?)


I can't see the image :confused: I tried going to the URL too and it just shows some text

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

sigma 6 posted:

Looks fantastic! Do you mostly work on a workstation of tablet computer? Actually - for that matter - how many of the people in this thread use something portable like an ipad pro or mobile studio pro vs. non mobile workstation vs. laptop with a plugin tablet?
Desktop. I have a tablet but I don't really use it for drawing because my eyes are bad and I prefer a bigger screen.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Al! posted:

pissed off the wrong chud, huh? this is for you
nah actually I think jose gave these out, I made the mistake of posting in the SoyBoy thread

never stop posting these animations friend :allears:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Sharpest Crayon posted:

Wild and freeeee

awesome!

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Sharpest Crayon posted:

Oh hey funny story, remember back when you were drawing this?


I thought there was something fucky with the face back then, but couldn't quite articulate it, so I took a reference shot of my own face with the webcam, trying to match the angle and the expression to figure out wtf.
I absolutely failed at forming proper descriptive sentences for the ever-so-slight changes and gave up, deciding that also maybe I don't wanna doxx myself yet by posting the pic, either.
Anyway that ended up being the reference pic I used for that.
I do remember. I tend to have trouble getting the perspective on the far half of a face to match up with the close half when I draw faces at that angle. I ran into something similar when drawing the recent lizard person. I also messed up the mouth a bit on the green head one but I'm not gonna fix it. It shall stand as a reminder of past mistakes :sweatdrop:

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jan 23, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

e: didn't attach whoops

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

e: I think attachments are not working. sorry for the triple post



e:

Sharpest Crayon posted:

I've got this feeling of dread creeping down my neck, just looking at this pic.
I was trying to put my finger on what it reminded me of, it's like the aziz ansari version of

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 23, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

alright gonna try atttachments again

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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Chakan posted:

Hey, I looked around and didn't find a better thread, but if there is just let me know.

I'm trying to start drawing daily, but I haven't held a pencil in ~10 years so I don't really have an idea how to focus on the basics. I'm afraid that I'll start drawing and pick up real bad habits that I'm not aware of. I'm not worried about making masterpieces in the next three months or anything, I'm just looking for some guidance. Does anyone have good resources, links or books I should check?
my favorite beginning drawing book is Willy Pogány's The Art of Drawing. I've also heard a lot of people recommend Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Shinmera posted:

If you're interested in anatomy, I can recommend Figure Drawing: Design and Invention.
I'd like to add as a bit of a footnote though that studying anatomy from a drawing book isn't a great thing for a beginner to do, it's always best to start out learning by drawing from life and figuring it out from there; this way you're doing your own exploration/analysis of how the body fits together and moves before going into how others have tried to figure it out

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Shinmera posted:

This is pretty embarrassing for me, but here goes anyway: I'd like to ask if anyone has some feedback about my style -- what you dislike and like about it, and if there's anything that confuses you or if you have any suggestions for improvements. I'm aware that style is something very personal, but I often get the feeling that I'm stuck in my own head too much, so I hope to get some new perspectives on things by hearing what others have to say about it.

If you're interested in lending a hand, an easy way to browse through my stuff is here. Also of interest might be this, which is an overview of my style development over the past few years.
Well I guess what I'd ask you then is: where do you want your drawing skills to be? What do you want to be able to draw like, and where is your own art different from it? I ask because I remember you saying you're unsatisfied with your progression.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Wowporn posted:

Also that rainbow robot is cool

e:aaand naturally I messed up one of the layers right before saving. anyways you get the idea :sweatdrop:

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a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 24, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

need to do more body study stuff grumble grumble:

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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

^ thanks!

Shinmera posted:

I'm not entirely sure I can give a concrete answer to this, which I suppose is part of the problem. The best I can muster is that I'd like to draw things that I will also end up liking to look at. Every now and again I come across an artist whose works I really like. I then try to figure out what I like about it and how to change my own drawings to go more in that direction.

So far it seems I have a fondness for precise and simple lines and shapes, with distinct curves and edges. In terms of influences, I guess the top contenders would be John Allison, Asahi, L5, and Dowman (possibly NSFW).
I asked you the question so I guess I ought to answer! :sweatdrop:

Well, my initial impression is that a lot of the stuff you like has plenty of smooth, flowing lines and is rather action-oriented, but your drawings are getting more and more angular. I'm noticing that you're putting in sharp angles more and more. Please take note that these affect composition—a sharp angle with high contrast (especially ~45 degrees and smaller) which you're using for elbows, knees, chins, etc., draws attention, and tends to serve as a visual "kink" that sort of slows down/stops the eye. These are okay mostly towards the edges of a composition, since that will keep your viewer's eye inside the picture.

However, it looks to me like you're starting to describe any junction in the body with these really sharp, high contrast angles (hip, chin, shoulder, elbow, nose, butt, malleolus of the foot, etc.) this way and I'm curious if there's a certain reason for that. Particularly confusing/conspicuous to me as a viewer are the pointy calves and forearms.

Now I'm not saying "don't do it!!!:redass:," just make sure you pay attention to where it's leading/stopping the eye.

Otherwise I'd try to tone that down and reserve it for places that really contribute to the overall composition, and elsewhere shoot for more naturalistic shapes. Also try for poses that are more dynamic, with diagonal or s-curve shaped lines of action (hopefully someone else can explain line of action more, since it's a bit hard for me to articulate).

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

What I would really like help with though is learning how to add texture to the things I'm drawing. I think I'm starting to really get the hand of using lighting, negative space and shading to define the shape of objects - but I'm at a bit of a lose of how to combine that with "texturising" the planes without disrupting the definition of the objects themselves? If that makes sense.
drawing apples is good for this since they have the stripey pattern, are relatively simple in shape, and also have the shininess going on, but honestly I'd say you would probably be better off at this point delving more into rendering shapes. putting texture or any other kinds of details on stuff will be much, much easier + natural when you already have a good handle on rendering mass with value.
This goes, I guess, with what Crayon said about having the shape strongly in mind while thinking about texture (lest you make things look flattened-out or inconsistent in terms of perspective, which is very easy to do)

e:

Jake Snake posted:

This is really awesome.
*stumbling over self to swallow praise* thank:D

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jan 26, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Spinster posted:

My threads up, this ended up being the best drawing so far


beautiful...may a flight of cherub aziz ansaris sing thee a sweet harmony of restful sleep tonight bearing pleasant dreams on downy wings:angel:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Hi man, sorry I'd already finished this picture before I saw your comment. I know this might be a stupid question but what does "rendering mass with value" mean?
Poor choice of words, sorry—I just mean wrapping shadows around shapes. I must add though, you're definitely picking up exactly that really well and showing improvement with every drawing, I just think that in general, getting a good sense of 3D form should come before texture if you're going for a more painterly style.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Jake Snake posted:

Btw as for the techniques I used: it's nothing special. I just use the basic round brush in Photoshop, but I check the dual brush option to give it more texture. I did use a downloaded brush for the fur collar though. It's mainly all about blocking in the shadows, highlights, and midtones, then gradually shaping them to make them look like whatever you're painting.
what does dual brush do anyway? I'm just getting into doing funny stuff with Photoshop brushes but mostly have just done stuff in shape dynamics and transfer so far

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

my buddy Superfly posted:

Hi! I've been drawing every day for a while now and I love doing it/I feel like it has really improved me as an artist. Here's the thing I drew for yesterday which I'm really happy with how the coloring came out.
looked thru your twitter a bit. I really like this one good job:thumbsup:

https://twitter.com/_inktho/status/956809605014683649

Sharpest Crayon posted:

I had to put in effort this time 'cause y'all posting some quality poo poo and I obviously need to up my game.

:discourse: ambient light on this one

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

ah drat sorry I don't know how twitter works honest!!!

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

venus

the gaudy colors on this are starting to give me a headache so I guess that means it's good to go:D



e: fixed something with composition that was really bugging me

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jan 28, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Sharpest Crayon posted:

ART HAX: take reference pics with blue screen glare on your face, get A+ comments on lighting and colors. :buddy:
fill lighting, the nerd way :thumbsup:

this reminds me of like, you ever chew bubble gum, and then when you're done with it you spit it into the trash, but then take one last look at it to see what it's shaped like, and sometimes it's an animal? anyways its Good

e: and non no I wans't calling the drawing trash, I just reread this and it may have come out like that! I was just thinking of the effect of things like clouds, rocks, twigs, and whatever that look like people or animals when you see them from a certain angle

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jan 28, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

that reminds me, I keep meaning to make a series of drawings based on takeoff interpretations of looking at patterns in like, carpet and floor tiles and stuff. I should do that.

e: I think you made a big post about just this sometime before, but how do you vary your line weight? do you use tablet pressure or are you like, inking and then digitizing it?? because I dunno if it's just my tablet but I can't seem to get good weight variations in digital without it looking all shaky like I have megaparkinson's or something

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jan 28, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

This is loving sweet. I love the little details. The body shape, the nose and brow all just scream Grecian art. It really drives home the vibe you're going for.
THanks, here's a detail of the head and hair, since the like 200x200 square it is in the other one is way too small considering how much time I put into it, especially the hair :sweatdrop:


e: also decoy I just realized sorry for being hypocritical and saying something that amounted to "no don't do texture until you are ABSOLUTE EXPERT:redass:" while I was, myself, drawing this super texturey thing. Grain of salt with my advice and all that, yeah?

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jan 28, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

cool, thanks!@:thumbsup:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

spectral subterranean steak suspended in the air?? now thats a spooky supper if I ever saw one

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

sinc posted:

As usual, I have a persistent feeling that the feature placements are out of whack in a way that's probably glaringly obvious to anyone seeing it for the first time
Oh, don't worry, this feeling will haunt you for the rest of your life as long as you are drawing, that's all :angel:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Does anyone have any tips for when you seem to hit a creative slump. I really loved that Gollum pic I drew, but since then I can't seem to draw anything that doesn't look awful in my own opinion.
Do something that will be fun/interesting to you is all, really. Inevitably you'll draw pictures that are better-than-your-average, and this means the next (five? ten? twenty?) things you do will be Not As Good. Don't let it get you down though! That just means you're improving.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

this is fantastic

drat... I need to get mroe stuff drawn

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

cool o'neill cylinder

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Yeah proportion is something I've basically been winging this entire time. I've watched a number of tutorials on the anatomy of facial features, but I've struggled to find a class on YouTube that deals specifically with proportion (that hasn't been to cartooney)

It is particularly bad in that pic because I was focusing mainly on getting every plane down, but I'm never great at it.
Vitruvius Pollio's proportions from his books on architecture, while rather idealized in a Classical manner, are a very good starting point (it's a good idea to compare these measurements with real faces/bodies to see where real people vary, though):

quote:

CHAPTER I: ON SYMMETRY: IN TEMPLES AND IN THE HUMAN BODY

1. THE design of a temple depends on symmetry, the principles of which must be most carefully observed by the architect. They are due to proportion, in Greek ἀναλογία. Proportion is a correspondence among the measures of the members of an entire work, and of the whole to a certain part selected as standard. From this result the principles of symmetry. Without symmetry and proportion there can be no principles in the design of any temple; that is, if there is no precise relation between its members, as in the case of those of a well shaped man.

2. For the human body is so designed by nature that the face, from the chin to the top of the forehead and the lowest roots of the hair, is a tenth part of the whole height; the open hand from the wrist to the tip of the middle finger is just the same; the head from the chin to the crown is an eighth, and with the neck and shoulder from the top of the breast to the lowest roots of the hair is a sixth; from the middle of the breast to the summit of the crown is a fourth. If we take the height of the face itself, the distance from the bottom of the chin to the under side of the nostrils is one third of it; the nose from the under side of the nostrils to a line between the eyebrows is the same; from there to the lowest roots of the hair is also a third, comprising the forehead. The length of the foot is one sixth of the height of the body; of the forearm, one fourth; and the breadth of the breast is also one fourth. The other members, too, have their own symmetrical proportions, and it was by employing them that the famous painters and sculptors of antiquity attained to great and endless renown.

3. Similarly, in the members of a temple there ought to be the greatest harmony in the symmetrical relations of the different parts to the general magnitude of the whole. Then again, in the human body the central point is naturally the navel. For if a man be placed flat on his back, with his hands and feet extended,, and a pair of compasses centred at his navel, the fingers and toes of his two hands and feet will touch the circumference of a circle described therefrom. And just as the human body yields a circular outline, so too a square figure may be found from it. For if we measure the distance from the soles of the feet to the top of the head, and then apply that measure to the outstretched arms, the breadth will be found to be the same as the height, as in the case of plane surfaces which are perfectly square.

4. Therefore, since nature has designed the human body so that its members are duly proportioned to the frame as a whole, it appears that the ancients had good reason for their rule, that in perfect buildings the different members must be in exact symmetrical relations to the whole general scheme. Hence, while transmitting to us the proper arrangements for buildings of all kinds, they were particularly careful to do so in the case of temples of the gods, buildings in which merits and faults usually last forever.

e: Vitruvius writes of a head, from crown to chin, as one eighth of a man's total height. Note that in realistic proportions, this is somewhat uncommon (typically seen on tall men with smaller heads). Typical head-to-body ratios are somewhere between 1:8 to 1:6.5 for men and between 1:7.5 to 1:6 for women, as far as I can tell.

e:2 This is for people of adult height. Drawing kids with those proportions will look weird. Their head-body ratios will be more like 1:6 to 1:4

e:3 also for any anatomical proportion reference, compare it to yourself if you can to test if it's sort of accurate or off.

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Feb 11, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Thanks man I appreciate it. Is it worth buying any of his collected works on amazon do you think?
Eh, his books are primarily on architecture and unless you're studying architecture, probably not of much use on the whole. Also, his stuff is all available for free online (I copied that passage from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Vitr.%203&lang=original).

That passage I quoted was probably the most useful thing from him re: human proportions, but it's a pretty good one.

e: Also, not totally relevant to d3c0y2's question, but for anyone else looking for drawing instructional material, I thought I might add:

In general on buying stuff to learn drawing, I'd say to keep in mind that, especially for the basics, a lot of the really good references will have been written by people who are long dead and therefore their stuff is in the public domain. Here is a list of public domain drawing instruction books I found: http://uncannycreativity.com/download-these-free-public-domain-drawing-books-for-artists/

In particular I'm partial to Ruskin, here's a free ebook of his: https://books.google.com/books?id=8SoDAAAAQAAJ&ots=HVa_OLBEyR&dq=The+Elements+of+Drawing+by+John+Ruskin&pg=PA102&hl=en#v=thumbnail&q&f=false

a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Feb 11, 2018

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Ah no worries. I'll read through it anyway, my degree is in Political Philosophy so I loving love reading Classical works.

But sometimes I feel like I'm always playing catch-up and like I have vast gulfs of knowledge. I've basically got no education in art outside of high school classes, so anything I've learned has either been from tutorials I've found, or from asking questions in places like this. But I'm sure there's an absolute gently caress ton of stuff I don't know, and don't know it even exists to try and learn it.

It's getting better now as I've signed up to a few places; and it's nice to be able to look at more experienced artists and learn from them. But I really do appreciate it when people are critical of what i've drawn, because it's going to be the fastest way to improve!

So thanks to everyone in this thread for helping me!
Hey, don't sweat it. You're learning fast, a lot faster than most, I think. Drawing's one of those things for which there is so much to learn that you certainly have no hope of learning even a significant amount of what you could want to in your lifetime. Some find that depressing, but I think it actually takes the pressure off.

e: wow that was a really odd sentence I wrote but hopefully the meaning comes across

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Is absolutely perfect for me. There's no replacement for doing the legwork in my mind, so I guess I'll have a lot of reading material over the next month or two!
hey glad to help, friend

Also, sorry that I keep posting and not putting drawings here. So as to avoid angering the gods of the drawing thread (i.e. Crayon) here's a crop from an body study I'm working on now:

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

This is real cool. Your brush strokes almost remind me of Goya at times.

And Oh boy Ruskin writes like an old fashioned recipe book. Going of on tangents about the education of children and all sorts, I love it. I've put pretty much all the books you linked on my kindle, time to hoover up some knowledge!
thanks friend!! Yeah... Ruskin is great, haha

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

d3c0y2 posted:

Yeah he is. I've always had a bit of a curiosity with him since my sister got married in his country house in the Lake District.
whoa!!! that's cool.

anyways

hercules

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

thanks! I actually referenced those last two drawings from pictures I took of statues at a local museum, heh. I'm hoping I can find time to make it over there again sometime in the next few months to sketch and take more pictures

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

starting another thing that I may or may not finish. I love drawing hands

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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

^
nice hat lady!

Internet Kraken posted:

I find these to be really interesting. Weird aesthetic.
once this years thread is over i'm going to click to see all of Al!'s posts in a row and just watch them all a bunch of times, and it will be quite the experience :allears:

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