Speedrunning thread 3.6: Oh my god ball block

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The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Former Human posted:

I was surprised recently at how bad N64 emulation still is. I thought messing with a host of plugins and different emulators all day for an individual game to work without problems or glitches would be ironed out by now.

As far as plugins go, GlideN64 covers a lot of games that have previously been problems, like Body Harvest and Rogue Squadron, as well as effects that haven't been done right previously like the custom lighting in Majora's Mask and Acclaim games.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2018 05:37

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 12:16

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I Greyhound posted:

Announcement: We have clear and unanimous info for announcing an announcement. We will announce the announcement in 48 hours. Prepare for the announcement. This has been an announcement.

They should have set up some sort of ARG.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2018 17:42

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

AGDQ Music Playlist, for anyone who wanted it.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 11:59

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SoftNum posted:

my favorite is how there are at least half a dozen people in on the cheat, maybe more.

It's all a conspiracy! :tinfoil:

# ¿ Feb 4, 2018 17:29

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Double Punctuation posted:

Why wouldn�t they set the damage to 0? It sounds like, in casual playthroughs, that could end up making the soldier have 4000 health instead of Gordon.

I suspect either it'd default the damage value back to 1, or a mapper was getting frustrated with getting the scripted event to work and took the hackier road.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2018 08:01

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Modus Pwnens posted:

Where did you get that from?

There's a lot of stories out there from people trying edibles for the first time, being confused by it seemingly not working immediately, having more than they should then getting hit like a truck by the effects and not feeling very good at all for a while. I can easily see someone without any past experience panicking and thinking they've just poisoned themselves or overdosed or whatever and calling for help.

In actual speedrun news, some new clipping tricks have been found in Doom 64 that involve using the impact sprites drawn by the Super Shotgun to generate lag that can be used to exploit the collision detection (DK64 style?) and pass through thin bars. This can apparently save around 2-3 minutes throughout the course of a run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnM_isD0bf8

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 10:14

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

SGDQ Games List is up

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 06:02

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Speaking of Doom, OOB and weird bullshit:
https://twitter.com/graviton29/status/983121854163451907

# ¿ Apr 10, 2018 12:20

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Teddybear posted:

Hi! I actually passed the bar and am a lawyer

gently caress. I'm so sorry to hear that, man...

# ¿ Apr 11, 2018 05:59

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ProjektorBoy posted:

It had a ton of hacks and tricks to fake it, and there are at least a couple of levels where crossing past a certain coordinate makes the game put up fake walls where you once could stand so that you could have the illusion of a stacked room.

I can only speculate but since the levels are only built with a certain amount of data points, the game can't fabricate new data points for player positions that are OOB. So you end up with the game taking a shortcut and translating the OOB spots into actual spots in-bounds.

Surely someone who knows actual things about the Doom engine can come smack me down.

The "3D" floors in Doom 64, IIRC were basically invisible lifts that instantly, silently moved into or out of place as you crossed relevant triggers in the map.

This weird grid-o-memory-tiles thing I'm pretty sure doesn't really have a comparison in the PC Doom engines where you had easy access to OOB via the noclip cheat. Probably due to memory protections that weren't present on consoles. It just kinda seems like going OOB in the console Doom ports results in all sorts of weird poo poo happening - I recall there being a bug in one map of PSX Doom where a Lost Soul could get out of the map and start wrecking havoc in the console RAM somehow...

# ¿ Apr 11, 2018 11:00

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Takoluka posted:

I would love to hear about this, because that sounds amazing. Like, that's the stuff of rouge AI sci-fi stories.

The Doom Wiki posted:

Dramatic memory corruption can be triggered by Lost Souls moving outside the normal boundaries of the levels. Linedefs and sectors in the map will become progressively distorted from their normal layouts until the areas become unrecognizable and eventually the game crashes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEieCneKcg

# ¿ Apr 11, 2018 13:30

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DizzyBum posted:

Completely unrelated to speedrunning, but I just solved a mystery that's been bothering me since I was a kid playing this game.

One time I was at a hotel with my parents, and they had a game rental system available which would let you play games that were loaded from a central server in the hotel. I remember playing Kirby's Dream Course, and being unable to get past the first world because the game wouldn't let me recover any health from killing enemies or clearing levels.

I just happened to think about it now, and then I looked at TCRF to confirm my suspicion: it was an anti-piracy mod in effect because it wasn't being played on a legit SNES!

https://tcrf.net/Kirby%27s_Dream_Course#Copy_Protection

I wish I could remember what that system was called. I also played a lot of Super Punch-Out on it.

I remember reading about this ages ago, so it wasn't too difficult to dig back up: It was the Nintendo Gateway System, which was a part of the LodgeNet hotel entertainment service.

A Reddit Post Linked On That Page posted:

LodgeNet supplies TV, music, movies, internet access, and games to these hotels. If you've rented a porno in a hotel, the chances are it was put there by LodgeNet. And yes, many, many, many people pay those ridiculous prices for hotel porno flicks. As a matter of fact, adult content is the single largest revenue generator for the company.

Super Nintendo was the first game system placed in the hotels. Some old systems containing the SNES still reside in certain hotels too stubborn to upgrade their equipment. Then came the N64, and after that, the Gamecube. But, as many hotels are/were too cheap to upgrade, the N64 resides in many locations still.

We were working on a Wii product for a while, but I think the risk of placing the required equipment in all of the rooms far outweighed the possible revenue generation. Now, you can find hotels with a custom Wii interface installed in their public areas, such as the foyer. LodgeNet has a very strong relationship with Nintendo. I even managed to get a Wii shipped to my door during the holiday season at a (very slightly) discounted price back when they were impossible to get a hold of in 2006-7.

As far as the SNES, N64, and GameCube are concerned, the games are stored on a central server in the LodgeNet equipment rack in the hotel's underbelly. The controller connects to the internal card (or set top box on older systems) that handles all the LodgeNet traffic for movies, games, music, etc. and the game plays from the central server.

# ¿ May 11, 2018 20:48

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Fancy_Breakfast posted:

The classic era Tomb Raiders are neat to watch being speedrun. I hope they do a big slot of TR games at ESA or something.

I'm assuming this is the ESA schedule, and while it has some TR games, the only PS1-era one is TR3 (which is sandwiched between Guardian of Light and the awful Angel of Darkness). That said, I agree. I've had Footi's stream on my other monitor while doing stuff recently, and those PS1-era games are fun runs with a lot of entertaining bugs.

# ¿ May 28, 2018 17:48

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Kikas posted:

That's good to hear, cause I've tried watching... Anniversary? Or Underworld, and it was kinda like a Gothic speedrun - gain height with a jump exploit and skip over everything, not very interesting.

Oh, there's an Anniversary one as well, but it's on a different day. :v:

# ¿ May 28, 2018 18:08

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Zore posted:

remember one year Twitch shut their stream down because everyone fell asleep so someone thought it would be hilarious to start streaming porn.

1-800-DOCTORB posted:

I feel like this was a different marathon.

Yeah, I wanna say this was some iteration of the /srg/ marathon? I don't remember the details, though.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2018 23:21

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Rubellavator posted:

His biggest crime was being a furry and making an emote out of his fursona. Everything else was just friction.

I believe there was also some other dumb furry drama, like making a global emote of his boyfriend's fursona with a name referencing said fursona's (glow in the dark?) genitals.

Internet drama was fun in the previous administration. Now it's just exhausting. I've gotten old, man. I'm becoming my parents, as if my backache and receding hairline wasn't reminder enough.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2018 18:15

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FirstAidKite posted:

Why make a new shitpost thread when we can just use this one

it'll save time

Nah, if you're gonna skip out on making one of the threads, make this one the seriousposting thread, otherwise it will be consumed under the weight of... how many pages was the AGDQ thread, again? It must have been hundreds from the awful block alone.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2018 03:51

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Turns out that when someone spends decades trying to scrape picoseconds off their time on one videogame (or one level of one game), they might be a little odd in ways that aren't endearing or quirky like some people are.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2018 23:45

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McFrugal posted:

How did they even find it blindly?

It's a TAS, so they had access to emulator debug tools that let them watch the console's memory and see exactly what's going on.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2018 08:36

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Rando tournaments go on a long time, but each round by its very nature is different in some way, so there's always interesting changing and adaption of strategies going on that keeps things fresh. I feel they could be sped up by having, say, four player races instead of two player in the earlier stages, but this would also increase the difficulty of dealing with tech, getting everyone's schedules in sync etc. and some work would have to be done re: layouts, commentary and the like to ensure everything is still easy for viewers to keep track of.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2018 06:37

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axeil posted:

-Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace I had this game as a kid and I can't believe anyone would actually want to play it, much less speed run it.

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

the fact that it's a more or less top down game where enemies can easily shoot you from off screen while you try to reflect those shots back at the enemies you cannot fuckin see with your lightsaber is just phenomenally poo poo

there were and still are people who will go to bat for this game and it absolutely baffles me, it's shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, like among the worst games from the ps1/n64 era and certainly the worst star wars game i've ever played

might be a fun speedgame to watch though vv

I haven't watched a run of it in a long time, but there's a lot of glitches, sequence breaking, and general trickery involved. This may surprise you, but the game is not well made!

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

no and there's no super gameboy/gameboy player equivalent for it either so it'll have to be using a homebrew capture solution like the ds and 3ds use

There's apparently some sort of setup for doing this, but I don't know what.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGmqHj6dLXI

# ¿ Sep 29, 2018 08:09

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heeheex2 posted:

What is Star Wars the phantom menace? I only played the racer game and the shadows of the empire or w/e game

It's a very bad third-person-ish, top-down-y licensed action game for PS1 and PC.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2018 16:09

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

What's his forum name?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2018 07:32

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axeil posted:

incel

It's a convention for people who play the same part of the same videogame ten hours a day for years on end. What do you think?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2018 07:43

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Captain Invictus posted:

I know this is probably a joke about speedrunners spending all their time on their games and thus not getting any

The fact you have "probably" in this sentence implies a lack of 100% certainty, which mostly stands as a testament to how much the past few years have broken you and many others.

Also, I don't actually think a 24/7 week long livestream of an empty hotel room would raise a lot of money for charity. (The twitch chat would be about the same, though.)

# ¿ Sep 30, 2018 08:06

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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

like must we do this every six months, it never goes anywhere meaningful

It's actually gonna be more than twice a year now, thanks to GDQX! :dance:

# ¿ Sep 30, 2018 08:37

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Rubellavator posted:

e: apparently this has been a thing for a while and i'm just now aware of it

Yeah, there are a couple of eSports teams that have speedrunners on-board. Not sure how they measure success per-se, but it's a thing I guess.

https://twitter.com/CarcinogenSDA/status/1047236264796336128

# ¿ Oct 3, 2018 05:11

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site posted:

as someone who is obsessively stealth in splinter cell and save scums every other minute to maintain ghost and doesn't ever kill anyone, it's pretty interesting to watch speedruns where killing everyone is the norm and gaming the stealth system in ways i never had even thought to try

Splinter Cell's a fun run, especially as the runne--THAT'S IT FISHER ONE MORE ALARM AND I'M CALLING THE MISSION OFF

What runners have you seen running it? I've only watched Iceplug run it so far.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2018 06:46

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 12:16

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There's plenty of fish in the ~~sea~~ hosed up spooky ghost town.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2018 09:43

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