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What sort of climate change stuff is he doing because surely it's going to gently caress Mexico badly
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Agean90 posted:military org thats less infested with right wingers is my guess. probably this and probably also because at some point the cartel are going to come calling if past Mexican history is any indication. Also because afaik there are still open conflict zones in Mexico where cartels just shoot it out with government military because they're basically a nation unto their own at this point. Also a lot of soldiers defect to the cartels lol plata o plomo! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/mexico-drug-cartels-soldiers-military quote:Delfino was handpicked twice. At 18, he was chosen by the Mexican army to join its elite unit, the airborne special forces group known by its Spanish acronym, Gafe, where he specialized as a sniper. Fallout: Mexico lookin' good e: quote:These paramilitaries have sprung out of deregulation of the Mexican army, which has been slowly replaced by private security firms.[166] Paramilitaries, including the Zetas, have now entered uncharted territories. Branching out of just protecting drug cartels, paramilitary groups have entered many other financially profitable industries, such as oil, gas, kidnapping, and counterfeiting electronics. There has been a complete and total loss of control by the government and the only response has been to increase army presence, notably an army whose officials are often on the drug cartels payroll. lmfao Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 20:04 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Worth noting that the mercenary founders of the group that would become the Zetas were trained by US and Israeli forces and the "School of the Americas."
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Frijolero posted:Worth noting that the mercenary founders of the group that would become the Zetas were trained by US and Israeli forces and the "School of the Americas." weird how the groups with all the money keep getting the military to defect to them 
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Frijolero posted:Worth noting that the mercenary founders of the group that would become the Zetas were trained by US and Israeli forces and the "School of the Americas." and those were just the latin american terrorists who didnt get the deluxe package where you get iranian blood money
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Didn't the Zetas start out as bodyguards for a cartel boss and basically just took over the shop?
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they were the muscle for the gulf cartel but broke off the zetas as their own brand. a lot of the most bloody inter-cartel fighting was between the zetas and the gulf cartel
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The Zetas now are not the same as the special forces trained military, but yeah that's how they started. The current Zetas leadership are lower-class dudes from Nuevo Laredo who climbed the ranks.
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Wasn't it the Zeta's who massively escalated the level of violence against the general public?
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There's a fantastic movie called "El Infierno" that came out around the time everything went to hell which is great at touching on the public perception of narco culture once paramilitary forces started getting involved. Everything is comical and lighthearted where criminals are just benevolent scamps and Robin Hood-type figures, then these groups come in and everything gets very real very fast.
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Jose posted:Wasn't it the Zeta's who massively escalated the level of violence against the general public? they were definitely the face of it
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I can just speak anecdotally, but yeah The Zetas really ramped up the violence. Some of my uncles trafficked drugs in the 90s and they operated pretty much independently. By the late 90s most drug profit was monopolized. The various gangs on the border were either crushed or integrated. The reason the Zetas were so violent and gruesome is that they operated like a giant monopoly. They could crush any small group or police force who stood in their way. They notably killed several police chiefs, army generals, and musicians with no repercussions. With the rise of the Zetas also came a lot of minor imposters who would steal and kidnap using their name. This usually resulted in swift dismemberment by the actual Zetas.
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Maleh-Vor posted:There's a fantastic movie called "El Infierno" that came out around the time everything went to hell which is great at touching on the public perception of narco culture once paramilitary forces started getting involved. Everything is comical and lighthearted where criminals are just benevolent scamps and Robin Hood-type figures, then these groups come in and everything gets very real very fast. It really does feel like that though. There has always been some level of violence. From the days of tequileros to the family narcos of the 50s–70s. But it became a big meat grinder when it became more capitalist and efficient.
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I should point out that the most heinous parts of the drug war were basically 2008-2013 or so, at least in public perception and how much the media covered it. It definitely feels a lot better than what those videos are nowadays. Except in Tamaulipas, which is a perpetual warzone (and at least one of those videos is in Tamaulipas).
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i'm not googling it to find out because i checked out blog del narco once and regretted it but does it still exist or did they get whoever was running it?
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Yeah I would say 2008 was high point for violence. But the violence doesn't stop. 2018 was pretty bad overall. Cancun has seen surprising levels of violence. The moral of the story is: stop doing cocaine/meth/heroin you loving degenerate Yankee pigdogs.
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i'm british so it doesn't go through mexico nbd
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Maleh-Vor posted:I should point out that the most heinous parts of the drug war were basically 2008-2013 or so, at least in public perception and how much the media covered it. It definitely feels a lot better than what those videos are nowadays. Except in Tamaulipas, which is a perpetual warzone (and at least one of those videos is in Tamaulipas). Frijolero posted:Yeah I would say 2008 was high point for violence. But the violence doesn't stop. 2018 was pretty bad overall. Cancun has seen surprising levels of violence. https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/01/25/580239712/mexico-registers-its-highest-homicides-on-record quote:More than a decade after Mexican soldiers deployed in the streets and mountains to fight a U.S.-backed drug war, Mexico has something to show for it: more killings than ever. still though the US' war on drugs has hosed mexico right up
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Maleh-Vor posted:I should point out that the most heinous parts of the drug war were basically 2008-2013 or so, at least in public perception and how much the media covered it. It definitely feels a lot better than what those videos are nowadays. Except in Tamaulipas, which is a perpetual warzone (and at least one of those videos is in Tamaulipas). I'm from Tamaulipas and yeah poo poo is still hosed for the most part, we drove down to San Miguel de Allende for a wedding last year and my mom was terrified of driving through Tamualipas so we just went through Nuevo Leon instead.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm from Tamaulipas and yeah poo poo is still hosed for the most part, we drove down to San Miguel de Allende for a wedding last year and my mom was terrified of driving through Tamualipas so we just went through Nuevo Leon instead. I've never been in tamaulipas but I've been everywhere around it. The sketchiest part of the country I've seen was in northern Veracruz in Ciudad valles I think. I stayed with a deliveryman and he showed me El Komander for the first time. I asked my friend from monclova about him and he disgustedly said he was zeta trash. I thought my friend was anti cartel but then he recommended I listen to el sinaloense for actual good cartel music Not gonna lie I like this Norteno stuff more than cumbia 57 is an amazing highway though, the drive from eagle pass to san miguel de allende is a breeze, if not lengthy.
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https://www.potnetwork.com/news/mexico-could-legalize-cannabis-within-weeks uh guys is this article right? Is Mexico weeks away from statutory weed legalization? Besides the Financial Times article I can't find any English sources covering this and it seems big, what's going on. I know you guys can home grow now so idk how much it woudl really change but the world needs more countries and governments that are openly pro cannabis legalization, this judicial decriminalization trend is some weak poo poo, the drug warriors are just hand-waving it away.
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Shear Modulus posted:legalization was part of morena's platform wasnt it? Squalid posted:https://www.potnetwork.com/news/mexico-could-legalize-cannabis-within-weeks morena had a fairly generous and extensive legalization law proposal in the works (it fully legalizes distribution and production, only restrictions are on edibles and selling to minors). and they have a overwhelming majority in congress. so hopefully yeah
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gotta love this brain genious quote from that article:quote:Meanwhile, Alejandro Hope, a security expert, told the Financial Times he’s skeptical. “This is not a security issue. This is an issue about public freedoms. If you frame this as a magic wand to reduce violence, we are in for a major disappointment,” he said. “Go for it . . . but it will not bring peace.” "'legalization will not improve the security situation, because it has already been improved by legalization"
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Shear Modulus posted:legalization was part of morena's platform wasnt it? well Morena's interior minister who has apparently already submitted a bill for legal regulation, Olga Sanchez Cordero, was saying she was going to do this months ago. In October the Supreme Court basically legalized recreational use, but recreational sales are still off the table. The Supreme Court ruling put Mexico in a weird group of countries including South Africa and Georgia where courts have acted to decriminalize personal use. If people are growing for themselves legally though you might as well let the local dealer leave the plaza and open a store like a normal business.
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babypolis posted:gotta love this brain genious quote from that article: Yeah, the Cato institute (libertarian think tank, but at least relatively ideologically consistent) put out a report recently about how legalization has effected the drug war: https://www.civilized.life/articles/walls-wont-secure-the-us-mexico-border-but-cannabis-legalization-will-says-think-tank/ quote:"State marijuana legalization starting in 2014 did more to reduce marijuana smuggling than the doubling of Border Patrol agents or the construction of hundreds of miles of border fencing did from 2003 to 2009," the report reads. quote:The Cato report noted that since illicit cannabis sales began falling after legalization, "other drugs have not entirely substituted for this decline in marijuana. The street value of all drugs seized by the average agent between ports of entry also fell by 70 percent from [fiscal year] 2013 to [fiscal year] 2018."
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can confirm the mexican weed market is way better. bricked schwag may as well not exist anymore; most people smoke mids or handmade hash from oaxaca. bougie fucks in monterrey use thc vape pens smuggled across the border, ironically
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This is hilarious https://twitter.com/Nacion321/status/1082461756776243206?s=19 A lot of people are mad at AMLO because he won't denounce Venezuela or ask Maduro not to take the oath of office. AMLO responded by having the reporters read the constitution's article on nonintervention. Dude loving rocks.
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Frijolero posted:This is hilarious lol
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Frijolero posted:This is hilarious an honorary poster if ever there was one
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Frijolero posted:A lot of people are mad at AMLO because he won't denounce Venezuela or ask Maduro not to take the oath of office. AMLO responded by having the reporters read the constitution's article on nonintervention. Dude loving rocks. loving hell this dude rips
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Squalid posted:Yeah, the Cato institute (libertarian think tank, but at least relatively ideologically consistent) put out a report recently about how legalization has effected the drug war: Cutting down a major revenue source for extremely violent gangs always seemed like a really good argument for legalisation of every drug but apparently we're too puritan for that yet and so poor across the globe have to suffer.
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Frijolero posted:Yeah I would say 2008 was high point for violence. But the violence doesn't stop. 2018 was pretty bad overall. Cancun has seen surprising levels of violence. Doing my part op
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i say swears online posted:why in hell are there gasoline shortages?? AFAIK, lots of gas is being stolen from pipelines, so they shut down pipelines and are moving gas by trucks instead while they figure out where these thefts are happening.
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i say swears online posted:why in hell are there gasoline shortages?? So they're not actually shortages and we should've brought this up earlier. Perhaps one of AMLOs biggest planks was stopping the petroleum blackmarket. Several officials have been arrested on several levels of government. AMLOs admin has already found about 80% of the petroleum robbery that was taking place. This investigation is causing fuel service stoppages in a handful of states. That's my understanding at least. But it's not an actual nation-wide shortage.
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