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https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956206272877158401 Also Henchman of Santa, if you say "Michigan University" I'm now going to forever think of it as "that place where the child molester worked" so. Yeah.
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StrixNebulosa posted:https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956206272877158401 It was at Michigan State University, not University of Michigan.
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Just go listen to that rear end in a top hat MSU trustee's interview - the most important thing in his mind is the new basketball stadium that he's going into, paid for by the donors that Simon gladhanded. There's a vicious vicious cycle where the donors are sought after to pay for sporting complexes, which in turn are used to justify asking for more donations , and everything else can fall by the wayside. That's why losing a bunch of money on programs doesn't matter - it's about the prestige of having the program in the first place. It'll be next to impossible to strip sports from private schools (even with student loan leverage the federal government has over them) but it can absolutely be pushed for against the public ones like MSU. If that ends up with Northwestern sitting alone in the big 10, fine. There can even be club level sports (UIUC has a great ice hockey team for instance) but presumably without the prestige of the varsity sport there'd be less incentive to cover up and perpetuate abuse.
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StrixNebulosa posted:https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956206272877158401 That is both missing the point and missing the correct school (but for the record, more people probably associate UM with football than with being the top ranked public school in the country).
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quote:Reports of sexual misconduct by Dr. Larry Nassar reached at least 14 Michigan State University representatives in the two decades before his arrest, with no fewer than eight women reporting his actions, a Detroit News investigation has found. Simon also said 'i didn't receive a copy of the report because i let it fall to the ground without touching it and had absolutely no intention of caring at all about what was in it, why should I give a poo poo about abuse here' http://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/ quote:A 16-year-old high school student in Williamston, east of Lansing, Boyce began seeing Nassar after hurting her back in a youth gymnastics program at MSU. quote:In April 2014, MSU alum Amanda Thomashow told Dr. Jeff Kovan, of the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic, about possible sexual misconduct while on a March 24 visit to Nassar’s office for treatment of hip pain. Kovan reported the incident to the Office for Inclusion and Intercultural Initiatives, then the office that investigated sexual misconduct complaints under Title IX laws that bar discrimination on the basis of sex. The accuser also reported the abuse to the MSU police department in May 2014. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 18:06
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I read (ok, skimmed) that article and I am *extraordinarily* skeptical of it. Chase the Google results a bit deeper and there are several articles pointing out that universities get a lot of peripheral revenue from athletics that isn't on the actual books of the program itself. It drives alimni donations, etc. similar to sports revenue, donations accrue to a handful of schools for example university of michigan, which has as good an alumni network as any one and is one of the top recipients of alumni cash, donations make up a practically negligible fraction of their overall revenue  http://finance.umich.edu/reports/2016/wp-content/uploads/sites/56/2016/12/2016_Condensed_Financial_Report.pdf
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anyway this is a stupid derail and i'm agreeing with everyone who says ending college athletics and dismantling the ncaa won't significantly hurt schools as with pretty much every other social ill, disassociating capital from spectator sports in general will do more to curb the potential for criminal activities
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Henchman of Santa posted:That is both missing the point and missing the correct school (but for the record, more people probably associate UM with football than with being the top ranked public school in the country). Ah, my bad. Sorry. https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/956214886002028546
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The Muppets On PCP posted:anyway this is a stupid derail and i'm agreeing with everyone who says ending college athletics and dismantling the ncaa won't significantly hurt schools fwiw many proponents of college sports also favor dismantling the NCAA
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If you live in Michigan, pay attention to the state university board of trustee elections. It's hard to find info about them, but if we want to see justice we're going to need to replace those trustees.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ah, my bad. Sorry. The court room laughed.
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The NCAA is a corrupt as gently caress organization. It only happens to be overshadowed by IOC and FIFA, which is why it tends to slide under the radar. A lot of what they promote is that most of the student-athletes will move on to careers other than sports, which, to be fair is true for a vast majority of the kids. Division-I, where almost all of the athletes that do move on to the pros come from, is only 351 universities. 305 are Division-II, and 451 are Division-III. The problem is the NCAA has draconian rules involving the students and money. A kicker got suspended by the NCAA because he was monetizing youtube videos of him kicking the football. Gods forbid you even pay these people, then the NCAA will come on you harder than anything else. Systematic rape and the protection of it? They look the other way and don't care, which, to be fair, is arguably outside of their purview (as previously brought up).
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ah, my bad. Sorry. He also said his treatments worked, he did nothing wrong, etc. https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956214755097706499 https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956215207881211904
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https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/956219316738850816 edit: https://twitter.com/MattMencarini/status/956220116714315778 The bastard's gonna rot! StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Taking down all the people who enabled him is going to take years.
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I'd rather he just be executed, but that's another whole can of worms.SKULL.GIF posted:Taking down all the people who enabled him is going to take years. If it even happens. That's the whole point of this thread. What's extra weird to me is that every person in power over his most recent crimes was a woman (Marta Karolyi, Simon, Klages) and they didn't do a drat thing either. Humans are evil.
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mastershakeman posted:I'd rather he just be executed, but that's another whole can of worms. I don't support the death penalty for a number of reasons, but emotionally speaking, it's difficult to not want this fucker broken on the wheel.
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mastershakeman posted:I'd rather he just be executed, but that's another whole can of worms. I'm against execution because it's so easy to misuse it and kill the wrong person...but damnit, some monsters need to burn. SKULL.GIF posted:Taking down all the people who enabled him is going to take years. It's not going to happen. I hate to be the cynic, but now that Nassar's left to rot the rats are going to thrive. Which is sick.
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mastershakeman posted:I'd rather he just be executed, but that's another whole can of worms. Do it the old fashioned way. Lock him in a room with a gun with one bullet for an hour. Actually, would that be considered cruel and unusual punishment? You're not making the person kill themselves, just making it incredibly easy to do so.
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Functionally I highly doubt he is going to live very long and is likely to die in a rather more painful and quite possibly expedient manner than if he is executed.
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captainblastum posted:If you live in Michigan, pay attention to the state university board of trustee elections. It's hard to find info about them, but if we want to see justice we're going to need to replace those trustees. The MSU BOT has been a train wreck for years. Hopefully this finally leads to a reset button and maybe some reforms to how they're elected. I don't know if this is the norm in other states, but electing the BOT is done in state-wide partisan elections in federal election years here, meaning party ID and having a prominent name is 99% of what decides it. This has led to perpetual family dynasties and a bunch of former MSU athletes getting elected to the board. The current chairman is a former basketball player and the basketball arena is named after his dad.
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Seth Galifianakis posted:The MSU BOT has been a train wreck for years. Hopefully this finally leads to a reset button and maybe some reforms to how they're elected. I don't know if this is the norm in other states, but electing the BOT is done in state-wide partisan elections in federal election years here, meaning party ID and having a prominent name is 99% of what decides it. This has led to perpetual family dynasties and a bunch of former MSU athletes getting elected to the board. It's this way for Michigan, Michigan State, and Wayne State. It easily allows some rich people to campaign their way on in a wave election, which never ends well. For Michigan, this is how the whole Dave Brandon thing started.
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OwlFancier posted:Functionally I highly doubt he is going to live very long and is likely to die in a rather more painful and quite possibly expedient manner than if he is executed. A guard about to retire will "somehow" allow an inmate already in for life to "slip past" a checkpoint, and that's the likely end of Nassar's story.
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quote:In fact, I can argue convincingly that none of those three institutions should continue to exist in its current form. USA Gymnastics and the USOC should lose their non-profit status forthwith. Michigan State should lose its status within the NCAA for at least five years. American gymnastics is no longer a sport. It’s a conspiracy of pedophiles and their enablers. quote:Aly Raisman came for everyone. https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/01/24/larry-nassar-sentencing-usa-gymnastics-abuse-victims-michigan-state AsInHowe fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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mastershakeman posted:...There can even be club level sports (UIUC has a great ice hockey team for instance) but presumably without the prestige of the varsity sport there'd be less incentive to cover up and perpetuate abuse.... Personally, I'd expect things to be even worse... Some dorky little club isn't going to have an administrator whose job it is to receive/review complains, nor will it have the same incentives to protect the larger brand. And, of course, it would screw lots of innocent athletes who won't get scholarships anymore. FWIW, being an accessory after the fact is a crime too. Frog-walk a few athletic directors, provosts, etc and things will change quickly.
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skaboomizzy posted:A guard about to retire will "somehow" allow an inmate already in for life to "slip past" a checkpoint, and that's the likely end of Nassar's story. I think this happens in movies more than real life. Jerry Sandusky is still alive.
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I get that it's normal to want this bastard to suffer a horrible fate -- I mean, god knows I certainly do -- but, as with any awful criminal, we should treat him humanely and ethically. He did these things because he was unable to grasp the fact that just because he wanted something, doesn't mean he should act on his desire. In punishing him, we must make sure we do not do the same thing.
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AsInHowe posted:https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/01/24/larry-nassar-sentencing-usa-gymnastics-abuse-victims-michigan-state This is an incredible sports editorial. It reads like a page out of a manifesto but it's absolutely correct. Burn it all down. This is the largest crime and cover-up not just in American sports but is arguably one of the biggest crimes and cover-ups in America since Watergate. PT6A posted:I get that it's normal to want this bastard to suffer a horrible fate -- I mean, god knows I certainly do -- but, as with any awful criminal, we should treat him humanely and ethically. He did these things because he was unable to grasp the fact that just because he wanted something, doesn't mean he should act on his desire. In punishing him, we must make sure we do not do the same thing. The rational part of my brain agrees, but it's so hard to override that emotional desire to retribution and vengeance. It's why I have serious doubts about my ability to ever be impartial on a jury when it comes to crimes related to abuse of power. These people should burn but they also deserve to be treated fairly...and yet they didn't treat all these women fairly. They didn't give them a fair shake. So why the gently caress should we do it to those who didn't give a poo poo about upholding their responsibilities. Ugh. 
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PT6A posted:I get that it's normal to want this bastard to suffer a horrible fate -- I mean, god knows I certainly do -- but, as with any awful criminal, we should treat him humanely and ethically. He did these things because he was unable to grasp the fact that just because he wanted something, doesn't mean he should act on his desire. In punishing him, we must make sure we do not do the same thing. I mean, on the other hand, I think possibly it's a lot worse if you molest hundreds of girls than murder the person who molested hundreds of girls. Like the two don't really have much moral equivalence I don't think. Like sure great an upstanding and just legal system would be dandy but as we haven't got one, the lovely brutalizing one we do have really couldn't happen to a nicer person in this instance.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, on the other hand, I think possibly it's a lot worse if you molest hundreds of girls than murder the person who molested hundreds of girls. Like the two don't really have much moral equivalence I don't think. Yikes. If we want give him the death penalty, then we should do so openly. Our casual tolerance prison abuse is disgusting.
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axeil posted:This is an incredible sports editorial. It reads like a page out of a manifesto but it's absolutely correct. Nobody throws bombs as eloquently as Charlie Pierce.
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StrixNebulosa posted:https://twitter.com/KatieJStrang/status/956219316738850816 I get that he's gonna die in prison and nothing's gonna change that but when you math it out, the max on that is less than 1 year per victim and that's really sad.
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axeil posted:The rational part of my brain agrees, but it's so hard to override that emotional desire to retribution and vengeance. the whole case is just so crushingly depressing. the only good thing is that these young women got to have their day in court, and thats...not huge in the scheme of things.
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The Detroit Free Press just tweeted out the name of every victim who gave an impact statement in court, and... gently caress https://twitter.com/freep/status/956223200853143552 https://twitter.com/freep/status/956233469595652098
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RevKrule posted:I get that he's gonna die in prison and nothing's gonna change that but when you math it out, the max on that is less than 1 year per victim and that's really sad. After a certain point, there really is no reason to use a comically high sentence. I mean he could be sentenced for 5 years per person, and get a 1,000 year sentence, but 50 years or 1,000 years, it will make no difference. The guy will likely spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement for his own protection. Imagine spending the remainder of your life in solitary, that poo poo is psychological torture.
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Bird in a Blender posted:After a certain point, there really is no reason to use a comically high sentence. I mean he could be sentenced for 5 years per person, and get a 1,000 year sentence, but 50 years or 1,000 years, it will make no difference. The guy will likely spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement for his own protection. Imagine spending the remainder of your life in solitary, that poo poo is psychological torture. I'm glad you have your priorities straight. Sure, this may have been a monster who systematically abused young girls and women for decades without repercussion until now, ruining countless number of lives, but the important thing is to remember that the real victim here is the guy who's going to have to face consequences for his actions, and that inconveniencing him and hurting his feelings is what's truly beyond the pale here. Perhaps we should schedule regular unsupervised field trips from the local elementary schools to his cell, just to make sure his time in prison isn't too difficult. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Henchman of Santa posted:I think this happens in movies more than real life. Jerry Sandusky is still alive. I have family that lives in the region where Sandusky is imprisoned, and I think the word is they stashed him in what used to be death row (PA hasn't formally repealed the death penalty, but they haven't implemented it since 1999 and it's currently suspended).
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OwlFancier posted:Again, like, in general sure but in this specific instance I really don't care what horrible things happen to the fucker. Many people want to make exceptions for their specific instance. gently caress this pedo and all, but it only serves to make the rest of us worse to engage in viciousness.
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