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FactsAreUseless posted:'Roid Rage: Five Reasons We're Pissed Off The Asteroid Hasn't Hit Yet why do you think NASA has a proposed mission to capture an asteroid  
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Shear Modulus posted:rudratron i thought people were being unfairly mean to you and was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt before i saw this post
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lollontee posted:I was listening to this and imho youre country is loving doomed. You're funding a government week-to-week and considering electing another talk-show host to replace the pissboy president. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/910377/Finland-president-election-Laura-Huhtasaari-brexit-finns-party-eu-immigration who'd have thought that it would be Glorious Finland contemplating leaving the EU? Evidence suggests that the EU is much closer to collapse than the US
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lollontee posted:I was listening to this and imho youre country is loving doomed. You're funding a government week-to-week and considering electing another talk-show host to replace the pissboy president. yeah OP I am. also talking as many left-leaning acquaintances as I can into joining in. lol if you aren't arming the hell up when the chuds are marching with literal torches.
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Jan 26, 2018 22:13
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Why do torches get such a bad rap anyway
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Jan 26, 2018 22:14
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Wakko posted:yeah OP I am. also talking as many left-leaning acquaintances as I can into joining in. lol if you aren't arming the hell up when the chuds are marching with literal torches. the R&G club i belong to has seen a pretty significant increase in membership requests. it bottomed out maybe 15 years ago and has been going up since, but this last year has been great, and widening a trend that started maybe 10 years ago of way more women wanting to join
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Jan 26, 2018 22:33
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FactsAreUseless posted:The simple fact is that, as a conservative, you buy into white supremacist thought. It's at the root of conservative politics. You can't get around it. conservative politics us is basically like 20% upper middle class people voting for tax cuts no matter what and remaining 80% some mixture of different flavors of ummm "cultural anxiety"
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Jan 26, 2018 23:04
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there's a trumpy candidate (actual friend of trump) trying to primary my GOP congressman. i don't think she's going to succeed, but she actually runs a company that arranges H-2B visas and has a contract to supply temp workers to a trump hotel. the main thing this anti-immigrant stuff is about in terms of policy is keeping undocumented labor cheap and in a position where it can't collectively bargain, which is good for wealthy developers (like trump). ICE detained some 139,000 people in 2017 but i'm not sure what the percentage of those are actually deported, and it is around 1 percent of the overall targeted population at most.
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so what's my point? if there is a snapping point where americans start cracking each other's heads open and feasting on the goo inside, it'll be over immigration. there are 12.5 million undocumented immigrants in the country and the way some sectors of the hard right are talking, the tucker carlsons of the right, they want them all gone. that is not happening in practice. but deporting that many people is a breakup-of-yugoslavia level effort. and if you see a radicalization of the right here, that can take on a logic of its own where it's not just immigrants being targeted for "physical removal." it's the communists and the liberals (they're all communists anyways) that are really blocking this so they have to go, too, and there are too many blacks and they need to go back into their place, too, etc. etc. etc. in any case how much is all that labor worth to keep it undocumented? how much would certain interests stand to lose if the population were granted citizenship? the war over slavery was also a war over resources: people. the slave owners of their day controlled more wealth in the form of slaves than anything else in the united states except for the land. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 10:55 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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i don't think that's just america either, europe might go insane over migrants. but america is in a somewhat unique position, w.r.t migrant labor, than europe is, and i think your take of it enabling a more general backlash is on the money. i'm also not terribly convinced that moneyed interests are that interested in defending the use of migrant labor either. their entire interest is profitability, and in the even that it looks like a fascist take over is viable, capitalists will just make a deal with the fascists: "well, we have to make money, so give us cheap, disposable, exploitable labor, and we'll back you", at which point all working protections and minimum wage laws get repealed, and any undesirables get pressed third-world working conditions. that won't actually solve the economic crisis of america, which is one of inequality and insufficient aggregate demand, but that won't matter to anyone in a position of power. rudatron has issued a correction as of 11:03 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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it's an interesting thing to be sure because the GOP has people who want all the immigrants gone but the bourgeois base of the party benefits greatly from the present arrangement, as like i said it doesn't want to legalize the population. i'm texan so it's part of the atmosphere here. need to remodel your kitchen? hire a contractor and on the day of the job, he'll show up with a small army of migrant labor and complete the job in an afternoon like one of those time-lapse videos of an apartment building going up in china. the value of your house has now increased and the contractor and you (provided he didn't screw you over) have (in my vulgar marxist estimation) made a tidy profit extracted from the surplus value of those workers. so it's very easy to see a class warfare argument that is pro-legalization, but also a far right crusade against these rich people that is also anti-immigration. trump threaded that needle and got himself elected because of it. anyways i remember taking a trip out into the country with some friends, one of whom was from new zealand, and as we passed by an area in the city where migrant workers line up every day for those contract jobs, my friend asked "who are these people? what's that about?" and when i explained it matter-of-factly, like "oh, you know, it's mexican labor, here's how it works" he was pretty shocked, and really appalled by it. but it is appalling and these workers are exploited, and they don't have any rights. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:23 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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the problem is that right-wing organizations are totally dependent on rich donors to get anything done, they're not like left-wing orgs with a base of grassroots support. everything is astroturfed. so as much as there is anger, and this anger is directly caused by policies crafted by the right wing establishment, the establishment is able to redirect that anger effortlessly with their army of bootlickers and agitprop groups. they'll never tolerate anything that makes their lives harder, and i don't think for one second think the base is ever really going to take on that establishment. that doesn't mean that a total deportation won't happen, but that this will never occur in a way that inconveniences any of the gop donors, hence the comment about pressing us citizens to replace the migrant labor, with similar or worse working conditions.
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Yeah its FTW how blase people are about hiring folks who work for whatever they can get, and whatever they can get is usually something insane like $2 an hour or the types who hire them and then immediately report them to ICE/the cops.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:anyways i remember taking a trip out into the country with some friends, one of whom was from new zealand, and as we passed by an area in the city where migrant workers line up every day for those contract jobs, my friend asked "who are these people? what's that about?" and when i explained it matter-of-factly, like "oh, you know, it's mexican labor, here's how it works" he was pretty shocked, and really appalled by it. but it is appalling and these workers are exploited, and they don't have any rights. Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? lol, no, they dont https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/policy-and-law oh and hey, they use biometric info to make sure they know who you are. it's always good to be lectured by people who are immeasurably worse than you on a given topic. reading through NZ's policies, I think they make a lot of sense! I mean they are far to the right of anything that Trump has proposed for the US, but still!
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Jan 28, 2018 01:11
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My plan for the collapse of American is to be dead and for my children to take up arms in the communist revolution.
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Jan 28, 2018 03:14
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has america broken apart yet i want to be a volunteer for the Syndicalists
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? "they don't allow anyone who wants in their country while we do and we then ruthlessly exploit them which somehow makes us better"
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? nice meltdown over new zealand lmao
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? all the people walking across the border to new zealand are really treated unfairly imo
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Jan 28, 2018 05:05
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Cheap food and free pornography will soothe the masses, OP. Things will get worse then stay that way. It will be tedious. Stability is an illusion but people are lazy. People are so loving lazy.
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Jan 28, 2018 07:54
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country?
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? new zealand is a small island nation on the rear end-end of the planet with commonwealth status, it's immigration situation is... pretty unique in the world
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Jan 28, 2018 09:26
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gobbagool posted:Does NZ allow anyone who wants into their country? new zealand isn't a real country
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look, when those new zealanders are sending their people over, they're not sending their best. they're sending hobbits, they're sending orcs.
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Shear Modulus posted:look, when those new zealanders are sending their people over, they're not sending their best. they're sending hobbits, they're sending orcs. and some, i assume, are elves
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Jan 29, 2018 00:01
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I cant believe this technically independent colony is weird about foreigners
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Jan 29, 2018 00:53
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Me a half hour ago: I should branch out and not just read the Democrat and Trump threads. Me now, after reading this thread: Naw.
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Thoguh posted:Me a half hour ago: I should branch out and not just read the Democrat and Trump threads. try the doomsday economics and alt right ones those are probably my number 3 and 4 cspam threads
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Shear Modulus posted:try the doomsday economics and alt right ones those are probably my number 3 and 4 cspam threads
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Larry Parrish posted:I cant believe this technically independent colony is weird about foreigners the dumpster behind 7-11 is not a colony larry
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zen death robot posted:the dumpster behind 7-11 is not a colony larry I work at a dominos now
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moving up in the world
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i hope you thanked trump, and his tax cuts, for this incredible social mobility
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Jan 29, 2018 09:40
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rudatron posted:i hope you thanked trump, and his tax cuts, for this incredible social mobility Well he got rid of the health insurance mandate so basically he's the best. I'm alt-right now.
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Thoguh posted:Me a half hour ago: I should branch out and not just read the Democrat and Trump threads. yw
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Wakko posted:yeah OP I am. also talking as many left-leaning acquaintances as I can into joining in. lol if you aren't arming the hell up when the chuds are marching with literal torches. also this
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:and if you see a radicalization of the right here, that can take on a logic of its own where it's not just immigrants being targeted for "physical removal." I think this is a much bigger leap than you seem to think
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Larry Parrish posted:Well he got rid of the health insurance mandate so basically he's the best. I'm alt-right now. now?
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U.S. consumer spending rises; savings drop to 10-year low http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-spending/u-s-consumer-spending-rises-savings-drop-to-10-year-low-idUSKBN1FI1NJ Rising household wealth due to record gains on the U.S. stock market as well as higher home prices likely made Americans more confident to dip into their savings to fund purchases, economists said. Savings are now at levels last seen in December 2007, when the economy slipped into recession. "It is true that the gains in consumer confidence as well as in the stock market and housing wealth are making Americans feel much better today than they were previously," said Eugenio Aleman, a senior economist at Wells Fargo Securities in Charlotte, North Carolina. "That said, the U.S. consumer will need to see continuous growth in income over the year in order to be able to continue to keep up the current pace of consumption." If incomes don't rise, lol, bubbles will burst and it will own. Nice that unions are dead! On the other hand, if incomes do rise, the fed will probably raise interest rates and try to stymie inflation thus causing a Paul Volker style recession. That's what my elementary economics intuition suggests to me anyway. Fed may raise interest rates four times this year according to the article
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