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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Al! posted:

why is it always texans who say this.... yes, parts of this country, even the rural parts, are much better off than other parts of this country
? i don't follow, i didn't say anything about 'better off'

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1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

rudatron posted:

Russia is central asia, in east asia it's a big fat nobody that no one in the region cares about

india will of course be a big player, and china's main competitor, i thought i made that clear

but the as the us declines, its allies will naturally realize that they don't really get anything by being close to the us, than they do by being close to someone else, so they jump ship

that and the us isn't even on the same hemisphere, so their entire presence in the area is contingent on that support of allies, to host bases

when the allies flip, the bases go, and when the bases go, the us goes

that leaves india vs china vs japan

and japan has a way lower pop than china, way less natural resources, way less military currently, way less manpower, etc.

it's not a contest

how long do you think great games between powerful westphalian nationstates are going to continue into the future

10 years

50

100

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

zeal posted:

how long do you think great games between powerful westphalian nationstates are going to continue into the future

10 years

50

100
as long as nations exist, and they've existed for, what, several centuries now? and kingdoms/empires had tonnes of great games, so Great Gaming will be with us for a couple of millennia? maybe?

so it will probably go on forever, until it doesn't, i guess? i dunno how you even put a time scale on that, because what exactly are you trying to predict? when one world government occurs? or human beings kill themselves or whatever? none of those are certain, and may not happen for a while

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo
let me put it a way you might understand then

for how much longer do you think there will be planes in the sky

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
several centuries

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

rudatron posted:

several centuries

lol

i rest my case, thank you

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

rudatron posted:

Russia is central asia, in east asia it's a big fat nobody that no one in the region cares about

india will of course be a big player, and china's main competitor, i thought i made that clear

but the as the us declines, its allies will naturally realize that they don't really get anything by being close to the us, than they do by being close to someone else, so they jump ship

that and the us isn't even on the same hemisphere, so their entire presence in the area is contingent on that support of allies, to host bases

when the allies flip, the bases go, and when the bases go, the us goes

that leaves india vs china vs japan

and japan has a way lower pop than china, way less natural resources, way less military currently, way less manpower, etc.

it's not a contest

The US will decline but will remain as a vital off-shore balancer in the Pacific

Russia is scared of China: it fears an over-mighty China will gain de facto control over its eastern provinces, its honeymoon period with China will end

Japan will remilitraize, article 9 or not

There will be a balance of power in East Asia, as weaker states band together against the potential hegemon: you can see this already in how Vietnam wants the US navy to re-establish their old naval base during the Vietnam War as the result of Chinese expansionism and the loss of USSR as a patron state

China is in no better state to dominate east Asia than Germany was to dominating Europe in 1914 or Russia in 1815 except via exceptional military genius and a general war, and nuclear weapons means a general Asian war is unlikely

Typo has issued a correction as of 20:57 on Jan 23, 2018

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



will happily serve in huey long's death squads

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
America is too big to fail
:goonsay:

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

will happily serve in huey long's death squads

the map make no sense Texas could prob beat mexico in a war

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
Where are you postin’ from OP? You keep saying “your” in reference to Americans, so I’m assuming you’re not “one of us”

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
i have a passport, op

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene

rudatron posted:

i've said it before and i'll say it again: the future is China vs. India, everyone else is just a sideshow
does india even have a chance in this scenario?

Al! posted:

i dont want east asia, i want america to collapse into several regional powers
people seem to post fantasizing about this a lot and im assuming the ppl who do live in de facto white ethnostates like vermont b/c this means all the black and latino people get ethnically cleansed because white people have all the guns, decades of training and tons of psychotic veterans who just lost every conflict in which they've been deployed

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

cargo cult posted:

people seem to post fantasizing about this a lot and im assuming the ppl who do live in de facto white ethnostates like vermont b/c this means all the black and latino people get ethnically cleansed because white people have all the guns. decades of training and tons of psychotic veterans who just lost every conflict in which they've been deployed

actually I fantasize about a free Cascadia because I'm sick of our resources going to prop up red states thousands of miles away that don't share even our most fundamental values

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

actually I fantasize about a free Cascadia because I'm sick of our resources going to prop up red states thousands of miles away that don't share even our most fundamental values

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

cargo cult posted:

people seem to post fantasizing about this a lot and im assuming the ppl who do live in de facto white ethnostates like vermont b/c this means all the black and latino people get ethnically cleansed because white people have all the guns, decades of training and tons of psychotic veterans who just lost every conflict in which they've been deployed

ya but they'd get their own ethno state so it's a wash

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

cargo cult posted:

does india even have a chance in this scenario?

people seem to post fantasizing about this a lot and im assuming the ppl who do live in de facto white ethnostates like vermont b/c this means all the black and latino people get ethnically cleansed because white people have all the guns, decades of training and tons of psychotic veterans who just lost every conflict in which they've been deployed
what makes you think they'd do better in america?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
last time the united states really went hog-wild in a major war, most of the civilian industries were converted for the war effort. who has the logistics for a major war today? jeff bezos of amazon. not joking.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

actually I fantasize about a free Cascadia because I'm sick of our resources going to prop up red states thousands of miles away that don't share even our most fundamental values
so a white ethnostate then, glad to clear that up

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
what i've gathered from my full balkanization now conversation is that everyone east of the rockies is just a hair's breadth away from genociding everyone else



also from my time living east of the rockies

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Al! posted:

what i've gathered from my full balkanization now conversation is that everyone east of the rockies is just a hair's breadth away from genociding everyone else



also from my time living east of the rockies

what if you're sitting exactly on the rockies

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

cargo cult posted:

so a white ethnostate then, glad to clear that up

there are more black people in oregon than there are in west virigina lol

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Karl Barks posted:

what if you're sitting exactly on the rockies

mormons

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Typo posted:

The US will decline but will remain as a vital off-shore balancer in the Pacific

Russia is scared of China: it fears an over-mighty China will gain de facto control over its eastern provinces, its honeymoon period with China will end

Japan will remilitraize, article 9 or not

There will be a balance of power in East Asia, as weaker states band together against the potential hegemon: you can see this already in how Vietnam wants the US navy to re-establish their old naval base during the Vietnam War as the result of Chinese expansionism and the loss of USSR as a patron state

China is in no better state to dominate east Asia than Germany was to dominating Europe in 1914 or Russia in 1815 except via exceptional military genius and a general war, and nuclear weapons means a general Asian war is unlikely

Australia is talking about developing nukes, it would be a trivial effort for Japan and SK, Vietnam and the Philippines could just buy nukes from some failing shithole country like Russia. China's going to be surrounded by nuclear armed countries, I don't think i'd lose much sleep about them gaining and sort of regional hegemony. Also, it seems like the people predicting and wishing the hardest for some kind of balkanization of the US are people who live in countries that have already done it, just like how your divorced friends are always seizing on every little argument people have with their spouses as proof of an imminent divorce. Again, i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it in the US because most non-sad brained people realize they have too much to lose to rock the boat too hard.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

oh look incest babby crawled out of d&d again

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?

Al! posted:

mormons

gently caress

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

lollontee posted:

I was listening to this and imho youre country is loving doomed. You're funding a government week-to-week and considering electing another talk-show host to replace the pissboy president.

I mean jesus i hope you're going to a gun range on the reg

going to a gun range on the reg is what got us into this mess

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

oh look incest babby crawled out of d&d again

sorry to piss on your revenge fantasy, rough that you got beat up every day in high school ,dont worry it gets better

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

gobbagool posted:

sorry to piss on your revenge fantasy, rough that you got beat up every day in high school ,dont worry it gets better
oh cute you're doing that thing again where the things you say in the mirror you instead post as replies on a forum

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

Where are you postin’ from OP? You keep saying “your” in reference to Americans, so I’m assuming you’re not “one of us”

finland. don't worry, i'll ber immigrating to fight in the international brigades when you get them up and running comrade


Alan Smithee posted:

going to a gun range on the reg is what got us into this mess

wrong people going to gun range on the reg you mean

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

oh cute you're doing that thing again where the things you say in the mirror you instead post as replies on a forum

oh, is that what we're doing here? thread makes sense now, thanks

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

get a room u 2

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Karl Barks posted:

get a room u 2
bono!!

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

ikanreed posted:

Yes, but honestly all we want is for the rich to suffer. There's not much further for American poor to fall

they won't

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

last time the united states really went hog-wild in a major war, most of the civilian industries were converted for the war effort. who has the logistics for a major war today? jeff bezos of amazon. not joking.

hahahaha

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
mark blyth is always fun to listen to. didnt know he had a podcast tho. thanks OP

Trumps Baby Hands posted:

actually I fantasize about a free Cascadia because I'm sick of our resources going to prop up red states thousands of miles away that don't share even our most fundamental values

hopefully cascadia will be accepting socialist immigrants from the south

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Finicums Wake posted:

mark blyth is always fun to listen to. didnt know he had a podcast tho. thanks OP


hopefully cascadia will be accepting socialist immigrants from the south
australians and mexicans welcome

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

australians and mexicans welcome

im a texan, and far too pale to steal mexican valor. i hope not to die in this cursed land, but it oncreasingly seems to be the case that i will. lol

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Finicums Wake posted:

im a texan, and far too pale to steal mexican valor. i hope not to die in this cursed land, but it oncreasingly seems to be the case that i will. lol
just make like one of the guys still alive at the end of "the wild bunch" you'll be fine

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
cascadia welcomes all immigrants, except for white californians

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