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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The architect who built most of the monumental buildings in Buffalo was hired to design Queen's Park over Canada's leading architect at the time, because of a deep seated inferiority complex that feared Toronto wouldn't be remembered as a grand city like Buffalo.

Look at them now.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

apatheticman posted:

Economists are some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

drat horror queefs posted:

Once upon a time, kids in public school with different academic ability were split into different levels.

Now, as an idiotic cost cutting measure (dressed in a transparent fig leaf of "equality"), all the kids are in the same classes, no matter their intellectual ability or if they have violent behavioural problems or are nonverbal etc etc. Everyone takes the same grade 9 math class with the same educational standards.

Wait, what?

Is this the English Public or French Public board?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

hadji murad posted:

actually D&D care very much for the Sudanese people, as anyone stupid enough to look in the ME thread would know.

I remember the government asked the CAF to plan for some sort of military intervention in Zimbabwe Tony Blair was proposing in the 2000's, and it's crazy to think how easy it would be even today to drum up support for something like that.

I remember when Libya happened and everyone was congratulating themselves on making Canadian values manifest in the world. I just wish they knew how right they were, and in what sense.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Is the NDP going to have any money so they can compete in the next election? No?

Awesome deal, really well thought out.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

pokeyman posted:

"Singh said the legislation "clearly points to [a] single payer" system"

sounds legit

Points to? Motherfucker you didn’t get it in writing?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Arivia posted:

good news, disability advocates talking to the federal government were told "don't get your hopes up it's a deficit year and the inflation is high we have to be fiscally responsible with program spending" so yeah still gonna get hosed nine ways to sunday

https://x.com/mossrobeson__/status/1760348487521116342?s=20

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQkzwgD47c

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Personally I was a fan of the barely disguised Blood and Soil followed by pretending there wasn't a coup:

"You are fighting for your sovereignty, for your territory, for your language, for your culture, for your democracy (elections suspended, opposition banned) but also for our democracy (there's a scary thought) for everyone's deeply held right to choose their own future"

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

DaysBefore posted:

Choose your own future (as long as you aren't a Russian speaker east of the Dnieper)




DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Karach posted:

if you drive through the rural areas of the prairies, you will see confederate flags from time to time.

I like these because you know they have almost no political significance for the guy flying it, other than "I know this is the racism flag."

This is what happened when American media removed Orangeist identity from our racists smdh.

For real though, that's completely incoherent and shows just how atomized we are that our bumpkins can't even have an authentic and locally grounded racism.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Dreylad posted:

I mean British North America was fairly pro-Confederacy so historically it's not totally crazy.

I don't think our friends the bumpkins are aware of that.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

pokeyman posted:

(I have no idea if uk proper vaguely supported the union and I'm not looking it up. pretty sure they didn't officially support either side)

No, Toronto was a known hub of Confederate sympathy, it was remarked upon during the Royal Visit by the Prince of Wales and strained Canada-US relations for the generation following the Civil War. As "The Belfast of the North", Toronto was also culturally inclined towards the Confederacy, and like someone said, this prompted the Fenian Raids.

Confederate operatives in Toronto used it as a place to do their banking, connect with arms dealers to place orders for running the blockade, reach out to the British and French governments.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

"Southern agents operated freely and openly with little to no concern from local authorities who were governed by British North America’s official policy of neutrality. Indeed, Southerners enjoyed the sympathy of most of Toronto’s political, social, and business elite—although few were as enthusiastic in supporting the Confederate cause as George Taylor Denison III*."

"Canadian banks funded their activities and Toronto, Montreal, St. Catharines, and Halifax were among the centers of well-financed Confederate networks by Confederate agents and sympathizers in these cities. Several Canadian hotels across the territory, including the Queen's Hotel, Toronto and St. Louis hotel in Quebec City, acted as informal headquarters for Confederate Secret Service activities."

"On 7 December 1863, while the new Union tug Chesapeake was preparing for service in the South Atlantic Blockading Squadron, 17 Canadians disguised as passengers seized it off Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Word of the takeover reached Portland on the morning of 9 December and quickly spread from there. The news prompted federal officials at northern ports along the coast to speedy action.

On 17 December, the recently captured blockade runner Ella and Annie — which had been hastily manned, armed and sent to sea — caught up with the Chesapeake at Sambro, Nova Scotia. Shortly thereafter, the Northern gunboat Dacotah arrived on the scene; and its commanding officer prevented Ella and Annie from taking the recaptured tug back to Boston, lest such action seriously undermine British–U.S. relations. Instead, to observe diplomatic protocols, he escorted Chesapeake to Halifax where he asked the colonial Admiralty court to restore it to its owner. The court ruled the Confederate attack was illegal and returned SS Chesapeake to its Union owners but the Confederate sympathizers escaped with the help of some Haligonians, creating tensions that received international attention."

"The most-controversial incident was the St. Albans Raid. Montreal was used as the secret base for a team of Confederates attempting to launch covert and intelligence operations from Canada against the United States. To finance their cause in October 1864, they robbed three banks in St. Albans, Vermont, killed an American citizen, and escaped with US$170,000. They were pursued across the Canada–U.S. border by Union forces, creating an international incident. The Canadians then arrested the Confederate raiders, but the judge ruled the raid was an authorized Confederate government operation, not a felony, which would have permitted extradition via the Webster–Ashburton Treaty"

*Denison Armouries in Toronto is named after him


He wrote the most influential Canadian books on cavalry, Modern Cavalry, and History Of Cavalry. Because of his standing in the cavalry, he later commanded the Governor General's Horse Guards







:canada:

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 00:03 on Feb 25, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Just got an add to be a peace officer in Manitoulin Island, of all places

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

hadji murad posted:

didn’t know that.

in my part of Manitoba everything is named after the hunt to put down Louis Riel

The commander of which was Garnet Wolseley. Who, like Elgin, made more of a name for himself in India than in Canada.

"Wolseley is a neighbourhood located within the West End of Winnipeg, Manitoba. It is named for field marshal Sir Garnet Wolseley, a British Army officer who came to Manitoba in 1870 to suppress the Red River Rebellion."



Now, other than "everything's Sir-Garnet" still meaning "by the book", and ready for the parade ground, what did he do in India that made him one of the most (and still) famous Victorian officers...?

"During the (Sepoy) Mutiny, Wolseley displayed 'strong views towards native peoples', referring to them as "beastly niggers", and remarking that the sepoys had "barrels and barrels of the filth which flows in these niggers' veins"

Oh.

Still excited for this book to come out, JOURNEY THROUGH THE WILDERNESS: Garnet Wolseley's Canadian Red River Expedition of 1870

In the spring of 1870, an Anglo-Canadian military force embarked on a 1,200 mile journey, half of which would be through the wilderness, bound for the Red River Settlement, the site of present-day Winnipeg. At the time, the settlement was part of the vast Hudson's Bay Company controlled territories which Canada was in the process of purchasing.

Today, Canada is the second largest country in the world, but at the time it was a recent creation made up of three British North American colonies. The British government of the day, focused on financial retrenchment and anchored on anti-imperialist values, would have happily severed its ties with its North American colonies. The dynamic American republic, resurgent after the cataclysm of the Civil War, aspired to take control of all of the British North American territories, including Canada and the Hudson's Bay Company lands.

Canadian Prime Minister John A. Macdonald knew that for his new country to survive and prosper, it would have to expand across the continent and incorporate the Hudson's Bay Company's lands, and ultimately the colony of British Columbia on the Pacific Ocean as well. The HBC was in decline and wanted to give up the responsibility for its vast territories. Macdonald would have preferred Britain to take on this responsibility until Canada was ready, but Westminster was unwilling. Ready or not, Canada would have to act or risk the United States getting in ahead of them.

In all of this, the interests of the indigenous people received scant consideration, and this included the residents of the Red River Settlement. The population here, about 14,000 strong, was mostly comprised of the descendants of the Kildonan Scots, farmers who had arrived under the auspices of Lord Selkirk earlier in the century, the mixed-race descendants of English-speaking HBC workers and First Nations women, and the mixed-race descendants of French-speaking North West Company workers and First Nations women. The latter group, known as the Métis, had long before the time of Canada's pending takeover developed a distinct cultural identity, referring to themselves as "A New Nation".

In 1869, the Métis were nervous of the pending Canadian takeover. They feared their property rights, the most tenuous in the community, would not be respected. They also worried that their culture would be overwhelmed by an influx of English-speaking settlers. Their concerns were reinforced when Canadian surveyors and road builders arrived in the community. The Canadians behaved exactly as the Métis had feared, prompting the beginning of opposition with demands for guarantees.

The man who rose to lead the Métis opposition was Louis Riel, and while his demands were just, during the winter of 1869/70, supported by the organized military power of the buffalo hunt, he rode roughshod over the views of the other communities in residence at Red River. These included not only the Kildonan Scots and English-speaking mixed-race people but also Métis opponents and the much smaller and troublesome Canadian Party.

Prime Minister Macdonald had been lax in acting to accommodate the interests of the Red River residents, but there was in fact little interest in Canada for the events unfolding there. Matters were transformed when Riel approved the execution of a member of the Canadian Party in March of 1870. Much of English-speaking Canada found its voice and demanded a vigorous response. Macdonald, under considerable pressure, wanted a military expedition dispatched and he was adamant that the British should lead it. Even after a deal was completed, resulting in the creation of the new province of Manitoba, he remained firm in his belief that a force should be sent to assume control.

Despite having already announced the withdrawal of its Canadian garrison, the British government reluctantly agreed to commit imperial troops to the venture. The completion of the deal between Canada and the Red River settlement was in fact a precondition of British involvement in the affair. It was also critical that the British troops get to the settlement and back again before the winter set in.

Colonel Garnet Wolseley was chosen to lead the expedition, and as such, though in many respects an obscure and minor operation, it is an important subject of study given that it was his first independent command and he would rise to become Commander in Chief of the British Army. It demonstrated an attention to detail that would be fundamental to his rise up through the army hierarchy and utilized a transportation technique that he would attempt to replicate in his more famous Gordon Relief Expedition of 1884/1885. It also introduced a number of the personalities who would later become firmly entrenched as members of the Wolseley Ring.

There was no good route from Canada to the Red River Settlement. The expedition, comprised of British regulars and Canadian militia, travelled first by steamer to Thunder Bay on Lake Superior and then by an incomplete road to Shebandowan Lake. The state of the road would become one of the major talking points of the whole affair. From Shebandowan Lake, they went by rowboat utilizing the old North

West Company's canoe highway, carrying all the supplies they would need for the journey.

They suffered the challenges of having to cross 47 portages, run multiple river rapids, and weather significant storms on some of the larger lakes of the interior. It rained, frequently torrentially, for roughly half of the days between their arrival at Thunder Bay and their reaching of Fort Garry at the Red River Settlement. On the days it didn't rain, they were feasted upon by the billions of insects resident in the woods of the Canadian Shield.

Many historians have written on the events of the troubles at Red River in 1869/70, but the expedition itself is usually treated as a footnote and given a few lines or at most a paragraph. The author has found only one relatively recent account (published in the 1980s) that dealt with the expedition in detail and he has frequently, though respectfully, disagreed with many of the assertions and conclusions found therein. Consequently, it has been found necessary to go to the expeditionary force documents and first-hand accounts of the men who took part, to properly understand exactly what the Red River Expedition was about and what the men who made up the force actually went through. By doing this, the author believes he has come up with a lively and original recounting of this little-known story in British Imperial and Canadian history.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 03:03 on Feb 25, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c__8B9ml_K8

WRT English on the Red River,

Part of denying Métis people status is that Scottish Presbyterian's started acting as the middlemen in the trade routes after the fall of New France. As a result, just like the Sierra Leone creoles and Anglo-Indians, "country born" Scots emerged. Since these people were have native and half white, and not French, it undermined English Canada's conception of the racial order, and so ignoring their existence was practically an imperative. Even today, since they're not culturally French, they're not really represented in Métis groups. It's all more complicated than it needs to be, in part, because by the 1930's-50's their descendants could mostly pass as white, so they were accepted as (occasionally sneered at) members of the English Canadian (white) community.

British Columbia has this too, with mixed English-coastal Indian groups. Since British Columbia has, and has, extremely intense racial division, there are a lot of old English Canadian (before 1960) families in Victoria and Vancouver who have a grandparent that was "Turkish" "Italian" "Greek" or whatever, that explains their complexion and facial features. Certainly not a Haida person, no way.

In the background of all of this is the Residential Schools thing. Since part- English and Scots descended people didn't have a distinct cultural or linguistic community like the Métis, they could pass for white and avoid the schools. Which makes sense, they didn't "need" to be "acculturated" if they were already living in (sometimes on the fringes of) English Canadian society. So it was more of a spectre hanging over families than a real threat. Obviously there would still be a social cost if they were "revealed" as being part indigenous, but that's generally how the Scots of the Red River Colony managed to weather the storm.

To go back to the beginning, the governments - federal and provincial - have spent the past decade tirelessly working to kick people off the Métis' nations' rolls. That's why the Pretendian phenomenon seems to be an upper middle class affectation, as much as anything. People who would actually benefit from status are denied it, practically as a matter of policy. And again, Métis aren't in the Indian Act, so it's not status status. The government is not likely to recognize now, after they have begrudgingly taken steps to acknowledge a linguistically, religiously and culturally distinct Métis community, that there are also Scottish Presbyterians who were able to (mostly) blend into society for a hundred years.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 05:09 on Feb 25, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Lie to the public, then forget about it themselves, like the Nazi weather stations in Labrador.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Karach posted:

…Cecil Rhodes School on Elgin Avenue to be renamed.

canada.txt

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Well they have to rename it because Kateri Tekawitha is a Saint now, St. Kateri Tekakwitha of the Iroquois.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Darn. It's too bad all we can do is fine them, and an amount they're willing to pay. There's no way to do anything more, I'm afraid.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Hubbert posted:

Some of my family served in the Wolseley Expedition, I really wanna read that book now. :kiddo:

I think it will be a good book.

Which is a problem, in a way. Ripping yarns of Victorian high adventure were a staple of past Canadian literature. Many of the books are genuinely enjoyable reads, like The Great Adventure : How the Mounties Conquered the West. The complication is in the title: our (English Canada's) great adventure did not take place in a vacuum. Beyond the problems of the time, we can't dismiss it all by saying, "Oh, well you know, we can celebrate our heroic fights against indigenous people then, because things are better now" when the basic facts of Canada's inequality remain.

To a much lesser degree, this is why Quebec is obviously less-than-enthusiastic about the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and why Wolfe has basically disappeared as a popularly promoted national hero. When we turned to America instead of the UK after the 1960's, the same thing happened with Brock. In the latter case there's a lot more going on ideologically, but when it comes to British military figures that didn't fight the Americans, the tension is simple - they fought people within our society.

Actually, the discomfort is a little more complicated, because they fought people that are supposed to be within our society, aren't really, and of course they fought to create the social order we are pretending doesn't exist. At the national-political level, obviously people ITT are not glad the Militia and RCMP went west "to keep the British in, the Americans out, and the Indians down."

We don't want to be reminded that people fought to establish a social order of English > French > Indian and ≠ American, but at the same time, we benefit from the structure they created and fought for. Which I know sounds like "you dislike capitalism and yet you own an iPhone" but I think it speaks to English Canada wanting to preserve the economic and social relations that existed before 1967, without talking about them. Everybody is happy and self congratulatory that "Racism is over", as long as the racial hierarchy remains. It's de facto instead of de jure, and so you can feel good about fighting racism in your professional workplace while reservations don't have clean drinking water. This isn't unique to Canada, I think it's a feature of liberal capitalist democracies.

That's a bit clunky, but my point is that in a vacuum, having things named after Wolseley and Dennison would not be the worst thing in the world, if we were actually distant from the things that make them distasteful. Ideally, we would live in a society so equal, so fair to native people, that had made such amends that their racism was unrelatable to our society, and we could appreciate them as national heroes with a quaint and distant peculiarity, like Isaac Newton's occult studies. In Canada, we have the problem that we want to say that our national heroes were "products of their time", but that's not really true, is it? They were the Empire Builders, and we live in the resource extraction colony they secured, first from a rival imperial power, then from rebellion, finally from indigenous people. The ownership and smooth extraction of resources today still takes place in the basic arrangement they set up.

It's an inherent problem with Canada's past, and why John A MacDonald so usefully serves the purpose of a sort of scapegoat? Sin eater? He was a white settler colonialist. We live, I hate to break the news, in a white settler colony. His greatest legacy, the thing that actually matters, Canadian confederation arranged the way it is, with land ownership and everything else the way it is, is sacrosanct, so his statues don't really matter. We're willing to dismantle everything related to him except what actually had the greatest impact then and the greatest relevance now. So we can symbolically distance ourselves from the man, without any of his work facing any challenge whatsoever.

Louis Riel is still controversial in the way even the most despicable Confederate generals aren't in the States. I think people know elevating him to the level of "noble defeated enemy", like Americans did with Tecumseh, like English Canada used to do with Montcalm (arguably one of the most skilled military leaders of his day), too difficult. Even admitting Riel's grievances - for the first rebellion, you can't dismiss that one as religious mania - is tricky when so many remain today. For Christ's sake, Métis still aren't in the Indian Act!

You tell me it's a coincidence that his Heritage Minute is bar none the least coherent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fLnJp-Rjow

"I struggled not only for myself, but for the rights of my people"
"Louis Riel led our Métis nation and he gave us hope, and strength and pride"

Notice that the rights are unspecified, as are any material concerns. We can frown sadly about the fighting, reassured that Métis people today have hope, and strength and pride. A tragic episode from our past, but nothing we need worry about too much today.

Which means we can't sing "Pork, Beans, and Hard Tack" about chasing Métis on the plain, or whatever else, anymore. We can't really celebrate the battles of the rebellions, or the expedition, or have a national cinema obsessed with Mounties in the Northwest. We can't sneer at Riel as a traitor or Métis as "half breeds" (and for the record, nor should we) because we realize we're supposed to halfway acknowledge legitimate grievances and racial equality, but at the same time, we're not telling stories celebrating the rebellions from a Métis point of view because on a basic level it's clear we (as a nation) are not really the inheritors of their legacy - we're still the heirs (culturally, if not literally) of the people who fought them.

So, while fighting Riel was a hell of an adventure, nobody knows how to process that, because we're not going to give Métis people more than unspecified rights (not in the Indian Act), and their hope, strength and pride. It's a fundamental tension, you see? English Canada has lost another episode of our mythological origin, one of many that have added up, so that for all intents and purposes we lack any coherent national story, but in exchange we get to keep all the spoils. That's the tradeoff. We lose the Victorian pulp adventures and the national songs, and the paintings



and we keep the continent.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 00:09 on Feb 26, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

We can't have a satisfying history, on some level, because liberalism assumes that society is the way that it is because everyone is a rational actor in a marketplace that starts with equal resources. That is so obviously not the case in Canada, that it creates a real problem. We can talk about "everyone starting on an equal footing" but we have to live in an eternal present where how much everyone starts with is just how things are instead of the product of anything. Do you know what I mean?

There's a professor at USask who developed a boardgame for undergrad students about the Canadian prairie, 1880-1940. Players run a family farm, and work to collect resources or whatever. But the game is, to put it mildly, asymmetrical.

See, students start out by assuming the game works like they expect it to, and history played out like they expected it to. Everyone starts off the same, you make smart plays and roll good dice, and you accumulate resources. Your outcome is the result of your work plus some luck, the basic ideology of capitalism and Protestantism in Canada. There are events like the Great Depression, you get it.

Some of the players' starts and special event cards correspond with other founding myths. Ukrainians, Germans, I think there's an American start. Same deal, leaving the old country, taking the train, building a sod house, hard work blah blah blah now we're middle class Canadians. This fits in with the idea that that wave of immigrants are "third founders" of Canada by making an "untamed wilderness" into a breadbasket.

But there's a Métis player too. And here's the thing, no matter how well you run your farm and everything else, you'll get hosed. Your access to cards that give you resources is limited. Resources might be taken away from you. Things that are supposed to affect everyone, like the Great Depression, hurt you worse. You can do everything "right" and still not win. More than in Life or Monopoly, it's blatantly unfair.

Well, apparently the undergrads playing over a semester initially really loving hate this game - when they're the Métis character. It doesn't make sense. The game shouldn't work the way it does, because it's supposed to teach them Canadian history. They learned Canadian history in high school, and so they know they're supposed to draw harvest cards, and put savings tokens in the bank, and whatever whatever, so why aren't they getting ahead?

I know the professor is still working on it, but I'm curious if and how they're able to get from "students are resentful at the game" to, "students understand that the economic order does not begin every day fresh with equal opportunities" and that receiving equal "access to" is bullshit 40 turns in, after you've been getting robbed to that point.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I often think of Winnipeg as Canada's Ravenna.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Arc Hammer posted:

Man I don't even know where to place myself politically in the country anymore. Can't stand the way the Libs act like they have a divine right to rule, lol at the NDP's delusions and gently caress the Tories with a rusty tailpipe. Unfortunately my disillusionment doesn't have a place to align itself politically because anarchy is a nonstarter so I feel like I'm just resigning myself to being a self-hating liberal voting for mediocrity over madness or a nihilist who doesn't vote at all letting the psychos win power and use it to hurt people I care about.

It's probably more possible to organize a membership driven takeover of the broke and unpopular NDP a la Corbyn than anything else, but the Tammany Hall character of the party membership vis a vis the Sikh community is an obstacle to getting Singh out. If there was a socialist Sikh leadership candidate, I think it could be done.

Nationally, the existing new Sikh members that got Singh in are in the key Toronto suburbs, which would be fantastic electorally, they just don't vote NDP in federal elections. So, I don't have a resolution for that. I was hoping there was a Sikh socialist tradition, but a lot of it historically is really small farmer poo poo, which is... less than ideal.





The other problem is that, due to the points system, demographically the Sikhs that come to Canada are generally middle class or better. This obviously means that their ideological outlook here, where they came with dreams of starting a small business and at least a fair chunk of change,



is probably not conducive to being the vanguard for a leftward turn in the NDP.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

DaysBefore posted:

There was a badass article aboit some British lady who had Ukranian refugees stay with her, they were insanely racist and went back to Ukraine because there were too many brown people around. I'm surprised I haven't seen anything similar for our Ukranians lol

iirc they're mostly going to Manitoba

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Where did all that cheap land come from, I wonder?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Karach posted:

That's right, the people who weren't here couldn't even figure how out to fully ugly up the land with one mile by one mile squares. How did they even know who owned what piece of land??



Strips along the river. Barbarous.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfsRTe-GwIw

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMaZi9io5U

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


lol it's very funny that they are tiptoeing around some notable events in Toronto history almost exactly 100 years ago between the Jewish and Italian communities.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

It's not ideal that we have to choose between what kind of right wing talking point we want: anti-immigrant or disastrous fiscal policy

https://x.com/TDotResident/status/1765141916058894599?s=20

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

How many 9/11's is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9uYHwTZVIc

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I had no idea there even was a Jewish community in BC. Is she a transplant?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

a primate posted:

I think you may be misremembering this one. The Christie Pitts riot was a bunch of Anglo-Canadians from the Swastika Club fighting a bunch of Jews and Italians. The Italians and Jews were on the same baseball team.

drat it! I thought I had a slam dunk with Toronto history there.

The Swastika Club, jfc Ontario…

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

vyelkin posted:

lol yeah it's kinda absurd that the government's recourse in a situation like this is to sue the people in civil court. it's like Justin Trudeau kneeling with BLM protestors. You're the government! You can just do things!

They really feel like all sorts of demons would be loosed upon the earth if they did something one time, because there's no difference between using state power to build houses and liquidating political enemies.

Liberals got all of their beliefs about power and the state from Harry Potter.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

ARACHTION posted:

Wouldn’t surprise me if “Liberal” Zionists were the newest recruit of the right. Amy Schumer types with “I believed in BLM, but nobody believed in me (and my desire to have Israel do genocide)”.

Good riddance

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

An international student went crazy and killed a whole family of 6 up in Ottawa, and now people are calling for the government to do more to get rid of international students (collectively) :canada:

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


That's like, 2 in Montreal and one in Toronto, right? More or less?

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Feb 1, 2024

Arc Hammer posted:

I'm afraid all of the voters who didn't vote for Melissa Lantsman in Thornhill are in fact antisemites.

How am I just now finding out about Canadian Bari Weiss ?

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