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 2007's The Darkness is a first-person shooter by Swedish developers Starbreeze Studios. You probably remember that Mike Patton voices the title character and nothing else. It's adapted from the comics created by Marc Silvestri, David Wohl, and Garth Ennis as a spin-off of the Witchblade series, and they are some 90s-rear end gritty anti-hero bullshit. The video game, written by Paul Jenkins, sidesteps a lot of the grossest stuff from the original run of the comics, only to fall face-first into a steaming pile of new gross stuff, so strap in. Our story revolves around Jackie Estacado, a hitman for the New York City mafia who is marked for death on the very same day that he inherits an unfathomable power. This twist of fate will lead to a night of not only killing and eating mobsters, but also going on dates, helping old ladies, and making prank phone calls as we explore the rich open world of five deserted blocks of NYC. This is going to be a 100% LP in which we will get all 100 collectibles and complete all sidequests, but I'll try to keep the detours from wrecking the pace of the story, and all the extra content will be put in the thread and in bonus videos so you can ignore it if you want. Spoiler Policy No discussion of upcoming events from the game, tagged or otherwise. Talking about the comics is encouraged, although the big and/or weird stuff from the comics should be spoiler tagged, like anything about Hope Pezzini   CONTENT WARNINGS: Sadistic graphic murder, gore, slurs, suicideUpdates (Playlist) Chapter 1-1 Chapter 1-2 Chapter 1-3 Bonus 1 Chapter 1-4 Chapter 2-1 Chapter 2-2 Chapter 3-1 Bonus 2 Chapter 3-2 Chapter 3-3 Bonus 3 Chapter 4 Chapter 5-1 Chapter 5-2 Bonus 4 Chapter 5-3 Fiendly fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Extra Content    Concept - Jackie 1: One of the very first concept sketches of Jackie. Concept - Jackie 2: A more clean-cut Jackie concept, with a bunch of demon heads. Concept - Jackie 3: A demonic Jackie in a red coat. Concept - Jackie 4: Another demonic Jackie, this time all in black.     Concept - Jackie 5: Jackie in regular clothes Screen - Jackie 1: Screenshot of an early Jackie character model still in development. Screen - Jackie 2: Another early Jackie model screenshot. Screen - Jackie 3: The outfit of Jackie changed a couple of time during development, this is one example.     Screen - Paulie 1: Promotional screenshot of Paulie. Screen - Paulie 2: Promotional screenshot of the Paulie character. Screen - Paulie 3: (same as above) Screen - Paulie 4: (same as above)      Screen - Mob 1: Screenshot of a mafia character. Screen - Mob 2: (same as above) Screen - Bum 1: A screenshot of a character. Screen - Bum 2: A character model of a homeless person. Screen - Character 1: A character model of an ordinary citizen. Note: There is no "Character 2"      Concept - Darkling 1: Early Darkling character sketch. Concept - Darkling 2: The Darkling design. Concept - Darkling 3: A demonic Darkling head. Concept - Darkling 4: The Darkling portrait. Concept - Darkling 5: A full figure Darkling. In the beginning they were very humanoid like this one, but gradually turned more and more animal-like.     Concept - Darkling 6: Darkling with a very fashionable shirt and tie. Concept - Darkling 7: Another mood piece of a Darkling posing. Gamestop Darkling: You've unlocked a special Darkling outfit by calling your Gamestop phone number. You will see it when you summon a berserker. European retailer Darkling: You've unlocked a special Darkling outfit by calling the number you got from buying the game at a European retailer. You will see it when you summon a berserker.      Concept - Otherworld 1: Architectural Otherworld sketch. Concept - Otherworld 2: The Otherworld castle gate design. Concept - Otherworld 3: Concept art for the Otherworld castle. Concept - Otherworld 4: The starving horse, an Otherworld landmark. Concept - Otherworld 5: An Otherworld environment sketch.      Concept - Otherworld 6: An Otherworld environment sketch. Concept - Otherworld 7: Early environment concept for the look and feel of the Otherworld. Concept - Otherworld 8: Interior design for an Otherworld building that was never used. Concept - Otherworld 9: Concept of an Otherworld gate that was never used. Concept - Otherworld Environment: Otherworld sky and environment concept.      Concept - Soldier 1: Sketch of an Otherworld soldier. Concept - Soldier 2: A demonic Otherworld soldier. Concept - Soldier 3: A faceless Otherworld soldier. Concept - Soldier 4: The face of an Otherworld soldier. Concept - Allied Soldier Costume: Costume design for the allied soldiers in Otherworld.     Concept - Ancient Guns 1: Alternative concepts for the Ancient Guns that Jackie finds in the Otherworld. Concept - Ancient Guns 2: The ancient guns that Jackie finds in the Otherworld. Concept - Underwater 1: We had initially planned for an underwater part of the Otherworld campaign, but this idea was later abandoned. Concept - Underwater 2: An underwater setting never used in the game.     Concept - Otherworld Birdman 1: An Otherworld landmark. Concept - Otherworld Birdman 2: The Birdman, an Otherworld landmark. Concept - Hills Cross 1: A grizzly Otherworld landmark. Concept - Hills Cross 2: Design for the crucified family, this one is pretty close to what you can find in the Otherworld.      Concept - Monster 1: One of many monster designs we were playing around with at the start of the production. Concept - Monster 2: One of the many monster designs considered for the game. Concept - Monster 3: Another abandoned monster design, affectionately called Meatface. Concept - Monster 4: A side view of the Meatface monster design, later abandoned. Concept - Monster 5: Monster design.      Concept - Monster 6: Sketch of a fearsome monster called Shlogg. Concept - Monster 7: Another concept drawing of the Shlogg. Concept - Monster 8: Early development monster design. Screen - Shlogg 1: Screenshot of the Shlogg monster. Screen - Shlogg 2: Screenshot of the Shlogg monster.      Concept - Angelus 1: Sketch showing the Angelus, a character that never made it into the game. Concept - Angelus 2: An alternative design for the Angelus, never used in the game. Concept - Angelus 3: Concept for the Angelus character. Concept - Angelus 4: Concept design for a character called Angelus, later abandoned. Concept - Angelus 5: Alternate Angelus costume design.     Concept - Angelus 6: An Angelus, ready to strike. Later abandoned. Concept - Angelus 7: An angelus character with noteable similarities with the original TopCow design. Concept - Angelus 8: Effect concept for the Angelus character. Concept - Angelus 9: Profile of an early Angelus character design.      Concept - Paulie: Paulie, the main antagonist in the story. Concept - Eddie: Concept of Eddie, the chief of police. Concept - Sarah: A concept of aunt Sarah. Concept - Character: Female character concept. Concept - Art: Artwork typically found in the homes of old people.      Concept - Demonhead: A demonhead design. Concept - Darkness: An inspirational piece intended to set the mood. Concept - MP Health: A multiplayer health boost concept. Concept - MP Health 2: Concept art of the multiplayer health boost item. Concept - MP Armor: Concept art for the multiplayer armor item.     Concept - Turkish Baths: An environment concept. Concept - Fortress: Layout and design of the Otherworld castle. Concept - Boat: Layout and environment design for a game location. Concept - Boat Interior: Interior design for a game location.      Concept - Level 0 Cover: The cover for The Darkness: Level 0 comic book. Concept - Level 0 Panel 1: A panel from The Darkness: Level 0 comic book, with the initial sketch and the finished art. Concept - Level 0 Panel 2: (same as above) Concept - Level 0 Panel 3: (same as above) Concept - Level 0 Panel 4: (same as above)       Concept - Cover 1: Promotional art of Jackie and the demonheads. Concept - Cover 2: Promotional artwork and magazine cover for the game. Concept - Cover Design 1: A cover and mood piece for a design document. Concept - Cover Design 2: (same as above) Concept - EC cover 1: A Darkness game magazine cover. Concept - EC cover 2: (same as above)      Note: There is no "Dev Screen 1" Screen - Dev Screen 2: In-development screenshot of game architecture. Screen - Dev Screen 3: (same as above) Screen - Dev Screen 4: (same as above) Screen - Dev Screen 5: (same as above) Screen - Dev Screen 6: An early game screenshot.     Concept - Darkness Mode: The demonheads, in first person view, along with some fog and light effects. This is what we started with to evolve the look of the Darkness mode. Concept - Creeping Dark: A concept for the Creeping Dark ability. Screen - Development Bug 1: A curious bug. A lot can be said about a man from the size of his hands. Screen - Development Bug 2: A violent and weird bug. Fiendly fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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Jan 25, 2018 15:53
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A+ thread title! Gonna watch
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Jan 25, 2018 17:06
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I only read the first issue of the comic and that was gross and obnoxious enough for me to immediately decide I wanted nothing to do with it. Interested to see how this is different.
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Jan 25, 2018 18:33
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I look forward to this. I enjoyed this game.
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Jan 25, 2018 19:59
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My God, you absolute madman. A 100 percent run of this is not something I would wish on an enemy, and I like this game. Good luck Fiendly, you'll need it.
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Jan 26, 2018 03:45
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KirbyKhan posted:A+ thread title! Gonna watch Thanks, I'm inordinately proud of my thread titles and this one especially tickled me. marshmallow creep posted:I only read the first issue of the comic and that was gross and obnoxious enough for me to immediately decide I wanted nothing to do with it. Interested to see how this is different. Like I say in the OP, a lot of the worst stuff got dropped for the game, but nature abhors a vacuum... I've read a decent chunk of the comics at this point, so they'll definitely be a point of comparison throughout the LP. achtungnight posted:I look forward to this. I enjoyed this game. I'd never played it before this year, but I woulda loved it when it came out. Like Jackie, I also turned 21 in 2007 (let's not do the math on that) and it's also when my darkness emerged (although mine is only incredibly destructive to me). Playing it today, I'm going to be much more critical of its issues, particularly in the writing department, but it was a pleasant surprise to find that the writer of this game also wrote on Prototype and Twisted Metal: Black, worked as a teacher for children with learning disabilities, and heavily advocates for the fair treatment of creators in media.
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Jan 26, 2018 03:52
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Admittedly the only experiance with Darkness is the games.... and the "Witchblade FirstBorn" story arch wherein, the angels and demons are fighting over a baby born to the Witchblade. But the Darkness is the equivalent of the Devil/Demons... sooooo 
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Jan 26, 2018 05:04
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Say what you will about the game's writing being...terrible, Mike Patton does a great job with the lackluster material he's given. He really sounds like some malignant being.
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VolticSurge posted:Say what you will about the game's writing being...terrible, Mike Patton does a great job with the lackluster material he's given. He really sounds like some malignant being. Thank you I was wracking my brain trying to remember his name.
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marshmallow creep posted:I only read the first issue of the comic and that was gross and obnoxious enough for me to immediately decide I wanted nothing to do with it. How is it compared to Crossed? Because a few issues of that torture porn series were enough for me.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:26
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Oh Crossed is beyond the pale in comparison. I haven't read Darkness since it premiered but Darkness seems to want you to feel remorse and sympathy for a professional murderer who explicitly and gleefully kills people he doesn't have to but because now he has suddenly has evil super powers, this makes him tragic. If there had been any nobility to him before he became a vessel of evil forces, it could work better. I can see it as a good story if it starred a different or just functionally character. Crossed is basically rape zombies Walking Dead and has no value. marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 22:54
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marshmallow creep posted:Oh Crossed is beyond the pale in comparison. I haven't read Darkness since it premiered but Darkness seems to want you to feel remorse and sympathy for a professional murderer who explicitly and gleefully kills people he doesn't have to but because now he has suddenly has evil super powers, this makes him tragic. If there had been any nobility to him before he became a vessel of evil forces, it could work better. I can see it as a good story if it starred a different or just functionally character. They do give Jackie a burden once The Darkness manifests that could make him sympathetic... to creeps. Jackie can't have sex because The Darkness is passed on at the moment of conception and the former host then immediately dies. Jackie's such a sex addict that the reveal of this drawback makes him literally suicidal. I dunno what this Crossed thing is, but it does sound pretty terrible.
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Jan 27, 2018 00:59
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An LP by you, a main character that dies at the start, a possession by an abyssal horror, a search for a Jenny... nah this doesn't seem familiar at all.
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Fiendly posted:They do give Jackie a burden once The Darkness manifests that could make him sympathetic... to creeps. Jackie can't have sex because The Darkness is passed on at the moment of conception and the former host then immediately dies. Jackie's such a sex addict that the reveal of this drawback makes him literally suicidal. I'm not trying to excuse it in the slightest, but the comic really was a product of its times. Psychopaths barely better than the guys they kill aren't exactly anything new or remarkable in comics, but it was virtually Image's stock-in-trade back then. It's hard to overestimate how bad it was, and the only thing worse is how people ate it up. Things have definitely changed, not just at Image, but also with Witchblade and The Darkness: Jackie's still a tremendous bastard, but at least he's had more going from him than that over the last few years.
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Jan 27, 2018 02:20
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I was not really familiar with the comic at all when I played this, but the game was a blast. I got a kick out of the gimmick of having to destroy the lighting to power yourself up.
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Fiendly posted:They do give Jackie a burden once The Darkness manifests that could make him sympathetic... to creeps. Jackie can't have sex because The Darkness is passed on at the moment of conception and the former host then immediately dies. Jackie's such a sex addict that the reveal of this drawback makes him literally suicidal. Crossed is: what if highly contagious zombies, but they were still sentient and happily carried out their worst impulses from when they were still human, involving a whole lotta rape and very inventive torture, also cannibalism, etc. Or, in other words, perhaps the purest expression of torture porn, ever. It's appalling. And more appalling that it's been successful enough to run multiple series and miniseries across well over a hundred issues by now. Oh, and the original series was written by Garth Ennis, with other notable industry writers like David Lapham, Si Spurrier, Kieron Gillen, and even Alan freaking Moore taking on later issues/mini series.
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malkav11 posted:Crossed is: Well, no wonder I never read comics that aren't relevant to something I'm LPing. Seems like they can out-grimdark any other medium out there. Wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to make just the broad strokes of Crossed into a game or movie or something, what with how popular zombies and adaptations of any existing properties are. Tony Snark posted:An LP by you, a main character that dies at the start, a possession by an abyssal horror, a search for a Jenny... nah this doesn't seem familiar at all. I may have a type, although this game was selected for me by a poll so I am technically free of sin.
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Fiendly posted:Wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to make just the broad strokes of Crossed into a game or movie or something, what with how popular zombies and adaptations of any existing properties are. Honestly, the last few issues of Crossed (at least by my knowledge) are the best, where one of the Crossed actually has a functioning brain, and seeks out other semi-functional Crossed to build a new society since all the humans are gone. It's still full of rape zombies, and the main dude is just a functioning psychopath, but at least here the torture porn actually serves a purpose. You can see this guy slowly die inside as he realizes that try as he might, the Crossed are just too, well, Crossed to function long-term. In the end, he's betrayed and just decides to give in and go nutso. These were actually the first Crossed comics I'd read, and I thought that maybe all the 'torture porn' stuff was just people exaggerating and/or being over sensitive. I'm a big boy, I can stand a little blood and titty if there's a good story to be told. Then I read a few issues of the rest and nope, just gore porn, all the way down 
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Crossed is really just The Aristocrats as a long-form work. With all that implies.
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CommissarMega posted:Honestly, the last few issues of Crossed (at least by my knowledge) are the best, where one of the Crossed actually has a functioning brain, and seeks out other semi-functional Crossed to build a new society since all the humans are gone. It's still full of rape zombies, and the main dude is just a functioning psychopath, but at least here the torture porn actually serves a purpose. You can see this guy slowly die inside as he realizes that try as he might, the Crossed are just too, well, Crossed to function long-term. In the end, he's betrayed and just decides to give in and go nutso. These were actually the first Crossed comics I'd read, and I thought that maybe all the 'torture porn' stuff was just people exaggerating and/or being over sensitive. I'm a big boy, I can stand a little blood and titty if there's a good story to be told. Was that Crossed +100? or something like that? I haven't read it or indeed more than a few issues of the early franchise, but when I looked up the Wikipedia article just now it said that was the one written by Alan Moore. So that might explain it.
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Watching the video right now and there's a few things to mention taht you got wrong: First you don't actually drop the guns mikey gives you, Jackie pulls them out when you are on your last two guns. Actually he just pulls them out on random, you can see that in the video during the cemetery shootout. Also for the cemetery shootout you can just go down into the bathroom any time to end it, actually I'm pretty sure you're supposed too. As for the comic itself well... Fiendly posted:They do give Jackie a burden once The Darkness manifests that could make him sympathetic... to creeps. Jackie can't have sex because The Darkness is passed on at the moment of conception and the former host then immediately dies. Jackie's such a sex addict that the reveal of this drawback makes him literally suicidal. Yeah, Ennis has opinions about superheroes, as you are aware. The Darkness does get a lot better when other people take the pen. The better stuff are mob tales where Jackie is a mobster just happens to have superpowers that he's happy to abuse for his own gain. There is a crossover with Batman though. David D. Davidson fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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malkav11 posted:Was that Crossed +100? or something like that? I haven't read it or indeed more than a few issues of the early franchise, but when I looked up the Wikipedia article just now it said that was the one written by Alan Moore. So that might explain it. Yeah, that was the one, and yeah, that might explain the jump in story quality.
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Jan 28, 2018 07:44
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I was, and kinda still am, a fan of this game. I just really love the whole 'crazy tentacles in the middle of a gunfight' thing and no other game save the sequel, which did it way better, has anything like it.
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Jan 28, 2018 08:42
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I personally liked the original better than the sequel, but yeah, those tentacles are fun.
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Jan 28, 2018 11:16
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The only reason I liked the sequel better was it was on PC. I find playing first person games, especially shooters, incredibly frustrating on gamepad. And the first game was still good enough to get me to play up to what I think was pretty late game (there was a boat) on my 360. Unfortunately that save no longer exists and whatever rudimentary controller aiming skills I possessed back when I was still regularly playing stuff on 360 have atrophied so I'm just as happy to vicariously experience the rest through Fiendly.
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One of the things I really like about this game is, well, dark it is. I mean visually. It uses light and shadow really well. Lots of absolute blacks, lots of blowout in the lighting. The color palette is similar to what Alex Proyas used for The Crow. Story-wise the game makes very little sense, but it sells itself on gameplay and some surprisingly poignant character work along the way.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:39
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Looking forward to experiencing this game through this playthrough. I really enjoyed the sequel and I'm interested in how this one compares. People seem to love one or the other.
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malkav11 posted:Unfortunately that save no longer exists and whatever rudimentary controller aiming skills I possessed back when I was still regularly playing stuff on 360 have atrophied so I'm just as happy to vicariously experience the rest through Fiendly. Notably, I'm ridiculously terrible at first person shooters and haven't played any since Timesplitters, but this one seems designed with console play in mind in that it's pretty easy and has generous auto aim. Fart City posted:One of the things I really like about this game is, well, dark it is. I mean visually. It uses light and shadow really well. Lots of absolute blacks, lots of blowout in the lighting. The color palette is similar to what Alex Proyas used for The Crow. Story-wise the game makes very little sense, but it sells itself on gameplay and some surprisingly poignant character work along the way. Yeah, they were going for a cinematic vibe for the game and mostly pulled off a reasonable facsimile of cinematography throughout. The writing and technical constraints of being early in the console generation really limit what it might have been capable of, but they make up for the worst parts with good presentation and voice acting. Genocyber posted:Looking forward to experiencing this game through this playthrough. I really enjoyed the sequel and I'm interested in how this one compares. People seem to love one or the other. They're surprisingly different games. I have very little experience with the sequel, but it seems like they solved some of the biggest problems from the original only to create other dumb easily-avoidable problems. I plan to cover the second game, but not right after the first so as to keep the transition between games from being too jarring.
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Update: Chapter 1-2 After that setpiece-filled introduction, it's time to pump the brakes with what might be the least action-packed section of the entire game. Sit back and relax while we get to understand how the game works and flesh out the characters a bit. Also, I talk about the big celibacy caveat of The Darkness in this video, so I can post some panels from my favorite scene in the comics: Jackie in a sex addiction recovery group!  Ah, the many faces of Jackie as he deals with the harsh reality of addiction that the comic will definitely treat as the serious subject that it is.  He doesn't suffer alone, wildly-different-sized-legs man also has a bad case of being too sexy.  This kind of clever innuendo is only making things... harder.  Indeed, it looks like this delinquent needs to get back to Cromartie High School  I can't loving believe there exists art with more crosshatching than Cromartie! For some reason, some of the worst art in the series is crammed into these four pages of idiocy, and I love it. Finally, we use our first collectable in this video, which gets us our first piece of Extra Content. This'll also go up in the second post of the thread and I'll post new extra content along with each bonus video. Concept - Jackie 1: One of the very first concept sketches of Jackie
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Is Jackie supposed to be 21 in the comics too? Because he's built like a caveman Fabio
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My memory is in the first issue he turned 18. 21 works better but the art had always made him look late 20s or early 30s.
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Regarding Jenny, I feel the need to mention a few things. - The entire length of the old black and white film she and Jackie watch together- 'To Kill a Mockingbird' is included in the game. Maximum PC called the scene "the most authentic instance of romance ever conveyed in a videogame." Also included in the game if you watch TV is the film 'The Man with the Golden Arm', a full episode of Flash Gordon, the film 'The Street Fighter' with Sonny Chiba, and cartoon shorts of Popeye and Gabby. - In the sequel something happens to Jenny that is very disturbing to Jackie's future. She gets something bad happen to her in this game too, but the next game is even worse. No spoilers, but it's a shame they'll probably never make Darkness 3. - Didn't know they weren't lovers in the comics. My main exposure to Jackie is through the videogame version. I'm also going to mention my favorite random citizen you can run into on the street- the Mugger. That name and considering what Jackie is can probably tell you why I love running into this guy and ruining his day.
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Space Bat posted:Is Jackie supposed to be 21 in the comics too? Because he's built like a caveman Fabio Jackie's also 21 in the comics, but the art never reflects that fact. You start to ignore that problem as the many more serious problems emerge.
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So... Fun fact: Jackie's a Father. He knocked up Sara Pezzini. Ok, to be fair it wasn't technically HIM doing the impregnating, but rather the darkness using his body (and genetics?) to impregnate her. The way it's explained in story is that Jackie was asleep at the time, and the darkness puppeted him into the hospital room of Sara Pezzini (The Witchblade, she was comatose after having been in "a battle") and effectively raped her. I guess the idea was that the baby would be the Anti-christ, but it didn't turn out that way. The panel they explain all of this over is... insane. Calax fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Fiendly posted:
I'm laughing my head off at these panels - the art, the writing, your quips. The game is entertaining to watch too. The intro scene in the tunnel is completely insane-ridiculous.
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Calax posted:Comic Spoilers Tag these please, this plot pount is specifically mentioned in the OP as an example of what to tag. Not even so much for the sake of spoilers, just because its the grossest thing I've ever heard of in a work of fiction
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Fiendly posted:Tag these please, this plot pount is specifically mentioned in the OP as an example of what to tag. Not even so much for the sake of spoilers, just because its the grossest thing I've ever heard of in a work of fiction Did... They have a giant Crisis style event where they reset the world a bit? Because wiki seems to make it that way. Also feel it should be noted, that the whole FirstBorn thing... was written by Ron "Women In Refrigerators" Marz Calax fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Calax posted:Did... They have a giant Crisis style event where they reset the world a bit? Because wiki seems to make it that way. Aye, so one of the effects of The Darkness having a child with the Witchblade is the child becomes the "Codex" of the universe (why? I've no earthly idea). This means that when she dies, the entire universe ends, then everything in it gets recreated. So Jackie, our intrepid and lovable hero, kills his own daughter to reboot things more to his liking. I'll get into exactly how things get rebooted when we're in the next chapter of the game. Hardly a surprise that creep is responsible for this huge mistake of a plot...
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