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Acting interim pres Bill Beekman says they'll have a new AD today or tomorrow, so says Jonathan Oosting of the Detroit News. If that's the case, that'd be shockingly fast, unless they're really saying they'll just name an interim.
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quote:Michigan State: Deputy AD Greg Ianni will be named interim AD, according to Chris Solari of the Detroit Free Press. Mark Hollis’s last day on the job is today.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:32
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iospace posted:The problem with trademarks is that if one doesn't defend it, it could easily be considered no longer trademarked. Not saying I'm defending the aggressiveness, but that's why they do it. It's this, yeah. You have to actively fight to maintain trademarks. It's why Texas A&M has to go nuts on anyone else that uses "12th Man". gently caress Nassar but that's an apples-to-oranges comparison.
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Feb 1, 2018 17:16
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Niwrad posted:I think that would be a really satisfying assault charge. And I don't think the local DA would really push for much punishment. https://twitter.com/WLNSAlexandra/status/959475504163311618
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Feb 2, 2018 21:14
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"The affidavit also says that investigators found nude photos and pornographic videos on Strampel’s work computer, as well as a video of Nassar giving 'treatment' to a young patient." shut michigan state down
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Mar 27, 2018 17:01
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Konstantin posted:Michigan State has a $2 billion endowment. They should use every penny to provide full financial compensation to every victim, and donate whatever's left to charities that help prevent sexual assault. gently caress them if they raise tuition a penny because of this poo poo. The tough thing is endowments aren't just liquid cash sitting in the bank.
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Mar 28, 2018 05:43
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Yeah Death penalty-ing the gymnastics program is just going to remove a non-revenue program from their rolls.
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Mar 28, 2018 17:29
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MSU Interim president John Engler seems like a real winnerquote:“Mr. Engler then looked directly at me and asked, ‘Right now if I wrote you a check for $250,000 would you take it?’ When I explained that it’s not about the money for me and that I just want to help, he said, ‘well give me a number.’”
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Apr 13, 2018 19:58
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Henchman of Santa posted:Would you believe he was also a lovely governor? Oh totally. I'm in Toledo and we've heard plenty of stories.
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Apr 13, 2018 20:34
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howe_sam posted:Did MSU even ask Granholm if she wanted the interim job? Seems like she would've been a better choice for a host of reasons. I think they specified wanting an MSU alum, or at least former faculty member. Engler is both.
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Apr 13, 2018 21:03
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Yeah in a situation like MSU's you basically have to find someone dumb/crazy enough to take the reigns for the time being. You don't want to be the president trying to guide a school through times like these, you want to be the one who follows that president once things have calmed down. I don't know if they even approached Granholm but if they did i'm sure she realized full well that was far more trouble than it's worth.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:58
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cis autodrag posted:This in and of itself is so hosed up. Those in power don't view it as rewarding work to put to a stop a horrifying culture of rape and secrecy. Universities like Michigan State have gobs of bureaucracy and coming in as interim president in that situation isn't as easy as " just fire everyone and fix it". Even if Engler wasn't a massive scumbag, his job would basically be to take a torch to anyone connected to it, and pay the lawyers to make sure everything's done in a way that avoids wrongful termination lawsuits in case you can't fully prove someone can be fired for-cause. Meanwhile, anyone among the higher-ups you want to get rid of, odds are you're either paying the money to fight their buyout, or paying their buyout. Meanwhile, if (when) those suits come, now you're paying the lawyers again to defend against the suits. Donations meanwhile are understandably cratering, and your school PR has taken a massive hit so you're probably not going to get as many new students coming in. Meanwhile, you're (rightfully) getting pressure from the current students not to raise tuition to cover those costs, and doing what you can to sell the image (real, or otherwise) that things have actually improved and it's totally safe to send your kids here. Even for the most perfect candidate to take over as president, that is a massive task and you're going to be hard-pressed to find someone who wants to take that position.
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Apr 16, 2018 19:29
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Anals of History posted:MSU Alumni Assoc Director stepped down: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/17/msu-alumni-director-westerman-investigation/519747002/?csp=chromepush Yeah I'd imagine you're going to see a lot more of that as the investigators keep digging.
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Apr 17, 2018 19:56
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Anals of History posted:It makes sense and I'm sure more bloodletting is coming (and that it's absolutely warranted). It was just surprising to me b/c 1) MSUAA's kind of its own barely funded entity and I figured they were small enough to not get hit and 2) I've met this guy and would've never figured him for someone who would participate in a sexual assault coverup. It's entirely possible he didn't participate but just wants to get out of dodge.
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Apr 18, 2018 02:16
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Sparty has reached a settlement with Nassar's victims for $500,000,000quote:Denhollander said she was happy to have the litigation part of this process behind her, but she and the 15-20 other women who were at the settlement talks aren't done fighting for change. She said the next step is to focus on changing laws that will make it easier to hold institutions and others accountable for sexual abuse.
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May 16, 2018 17:07
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Sparty very likely has some manner of liability insurance at the school for legal settlements like these, so that's going to defray at least some costs. It'll also depend on how the settlements pay out, but yeah there's basically no way this doesn't raise tuition to some degree
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May 17, 2018 02:01
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Spartys insurance policy will likely only cover a small portion of the payouts so now the school has to get creative
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May 17, 2018 17:20
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Depends on the policy and what it allows payment for. That can really vary
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May 17, 2018 17:23
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Timby posted:Yeah, either programs are getting cut or tuition is seeing a massive hike. I could definitely see the former. The latter's gonna be tough because Michigan's laws are such that state funding to a school starts to recede if they raise tuition past a certain point. This basically becomes a game of "beg, borrow, and steal". I'd imagine some of their deeper-pocketed alumni will put together a rather quiet foundation to help defray some of it. They can also ask state funding to help with the payments, likely with state oversight on how they're fixing their own rules and procedures to prevent this from happening again. Basically there isn't gonna be one single source to all of it, nor could there really be even if they wanted. I'm sure more is going to come out in the coming days and weeks as the details of the settlement structure are hammered out.
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May 17, 2018 18:23
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swickles posted:It won't be quiet, it will be intentionally mislabeled as some charity to help victims of sexual abuse. Alumni and others will be donating to it thinking its to help with therapy and giving resources to vistims of sexual assault, except its going to go straight into the settlement. Timby posted:The alumni foundation is going to start the mother of all "MSU is in trouble, please help" fundraising campaigns. yeah, both of these are far more likely, now that I think about it.
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May 17, 2018 18:32
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grack posted:Given that Michigan State more or less admitted to gross negligence I'm guessing that the vast, vast majority of that settlement isn't being paid by insurance. Oh no it's not. MLive said at very most the policy will cover around $34 million.
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May 18, 2018 19:46
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elentar posted:Engler is such a belligerently stupid rear end in a top hat. hoooooly hell 
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May 21, 2018 19:40
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mdemone posted:What the gently caress is that last paragraph supposed to mean?!? He's basically trying to keep the blame focused on Nassar as opposed to Michigan State. It's the "nobody told us it was happening, what were we supposed to do?" thing.
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May 21, 2018 20:13
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mdemone posted:I guess so, but that phrasing really smelled like "nobody reported it from 1997 to 2016 but now we've got 332 complaints over the last two years, hmmm isn't that funny..." Yeah he's definitely coming close to that.
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May 21, 2018 20:31
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always more, always worse https://twitter.com/ABauer_ATR/status/999637398844821506?s=20
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I'm surprised there isn't a segregated population for sexual offenders, if gen pop or basically isolation are the two choices, that's pretty hosed up. Maybe that's just a state-level thing? Then again our criminal justice system as a whole is pretty hosed up
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Jul 26, 2018 03:19
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sportsgenius86 posted:And rightly so Abetting prison rape and assault isn't helping anything. Yeah, gently caress this guy but he deserves to rot and nothing more.
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Jul 26, 2018 23:33
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I don't recall if any of Nassar's victims were current MSU students at the time, I don't think they were. If that's the case then I doubt the NCAA had any jurisdiction here. It's a horrible crime, without question, but it's not an NCAA issue if that's the case. Axing gymnastics just removes a non-revenue sport from MSU and honestly probably winds up saving the school some money. gently caress the NCAA but this was a state and federal criminal matter and if you think the NCAA is incompetent now, imagine what they'd be like with law enforcement capabilities.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:41
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jit bull transpile posted:like, my mind is seriously boggled by the argument that it's too extreme a move to fire all the people who ignored or gave shelter to a child molestor. It's not too extreme but that's not the NCAA's job in this case. it's MSUs, and above that, the state of Michigan. E: and it's not like the NCAA is somehow above either of them in some sort of hierarchy. They're a non-profit (lol, but that's another story) non-government agency. DJExile fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 18:00
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rare Magic card l00k posted:This is a reminder that MSU spent millions of dollars stalking victims online to try and discredit them. i dont' think anyone's gonna argue that but it's an apples and oranges comparison. Universities do plenty of scummy poo poo that isn't within the NCAA's jurisdiction.
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Aug 30, 2018 18:16
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I had it in my head it was just younger gymnasts that he abused for some reason, that's my mistake then
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Aug 30, 2018 19:24
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Lou Anna Simon, the former MSU president, has been charged with lying to state police about the Nassar investigation
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Nov 20, 2018 21:12
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General Dog posted:They'd get loving crucified A couple 90 year old columnists would grumble and barstool will do 400 articles about who they'd gently caress on the team even if they're underage, but beyond that I doubt anyone would give them grief about it given the circumstances.
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Dec 12, 2018 15:56
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Henchman of Santa posted:Their sponsorships might totally fall apart though. All you'd have to change on the Wheaties box, commercial captions, whatever, is to call Symone "American Gymnast" instead of "Team USA Gymnast". I don't think it'd be too big a deal
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Dec 12, 2018 17:59
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Special prosecutor William Forsyth has released his report on the whole drat mess. It absolutely shreds the whole school.quote:“That so many survivors independently disclosed to so many different MSU employees over so many years, each time with no success, reveals a problem that cannot be explained as mere isolated, individual failures; it is evidence of a larger cultural problem at the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic and MSU more broadly.”
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Dec 21, 2018 19:10
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Anals of History posted:MSU released a statement stating that they haven't learned a single loving thing: TBH this is about all they can say as official statements go. It's really just a throwaway statement accepting the investigation and acknowledging/confirming a lack of criminal charges. I think some civil suits may still be ongoing so they have to be very short with their statements. Personally I think they ought to be sued into oblivion but their school counsel is probably telling everyone to just shut the hell up for now. (yes, that's how they got here in the first place, but you know what I mean) That said, have they learned anything? I sure as hell doubt it.
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Dec 22, 2018 04:20
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The tough thing is there's basically no way this doesn't force them to raise tuition and I think they announced they'd have to earlier on. If they break contracts for other plans that just gives more people a reason to sue them. Even if they've got a huge endowment, relatively little of that would be liquid assets they could use in a situation like this anyway.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:25
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Detroit News posted:Michigan State University interim President John Engler is facing criticism from the newly-appointed board trustee chairman for saying some of pedophile Larry Nassar's victims are "enjoying the spotlight" while the university is "trying to go back to work."
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Zero One posted:MSU Trustees are going to meet on Thursday. Yeah, I can get wanting an interim president to just see things through but I get the feeling they wanted Engler to just take over as full time president. His total inability to stop saying stupid poo poo though is kind of amazing.
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