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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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MarcusSA posted:

In for 2!

After they go on sale though lol

Seriously, prices in the UK for both HomePods are just totally missing the market, which won’t help adoption or encourage more smart devices to support HomeKit.

£99 for the mini is a joke, the full size echo & nest home can be had for £40 ish.

And a 2+ year old HomePod is *still* more expensive than the fanciest Echo Studio (by £140 in today’s Amazon sale). £279.99 is too much for a kitchen speaker.

£50 & £150 would be much better price points. £200 at a pinch.

Audio is undoubtedly better on the HomePod, but everything else is much worse, and no way to play audio from non-apple devices kills it dead in a country where the iPhone marketshare is below 50%.

I have an iPhone, but the thought of a mate not being able to play music to it is pathetic.

I have a Yamaha AV receiver with airplay, Bluetooth, many line-ins, and its several years old, why is tech moving backwards?

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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track day bro! posted:

Wait you can't just cast audio from any app on an iPhone/iPad to them? I thought it might be cool to have a couple of the Minis for a little stereo setup.

You can yes, they’re airplay 2 compatible.

What they mean is that there’s no way to say “play song” and have it fulfilled from Spotify or Amazon music or tidal - that smart feature only works with Apple Music.

There’s also no way to cast audio from Android, or from a windows PC, or from any device with a headphone port.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Boris Galerkin posted:

I’m thinking about a mini but one of my use cases would be listening to podcasts. On some of the ones I listen to they have ads for Google products where they say you could just say “Hey Google, play The Daily” for example. I’m assuming that Google would play the proper podcast even if it’s not one on a playlist. Does Siri do this too? I use Overcast but I guess I could use Apple Podcasts.

I’m in the exact same position, overcast is 99% of my listening time.

I have an OG HomePod arriving tomorrow (used, megadeal), will check it out - but I think Siri just works as you wish, and doesn’t require switching your podcast app.

That said, It’ll be a pain to manage played / unplayed state if still using overcast the rest of the time.

There’s always airplay.

As apple are opening up 3rd party app integration, I dream that Marco is working on this for overcast.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Boris Galerkin posted:

Really? I just said “hey Siri play podcast robot or not” and she said she didn’t see an app for that. I don’t have Apple podcasts installed so that’s why I figured I would have to switch to it to get the integration I wanted.

It uses the app (on iPhone) but can play anything in the iTunes podcast index without you ever having touched it before.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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For anyone eagerly waiting for the adaptive lighting features of ios14 / HomePod to start working, I think it’s waiting on a hue firmware update.

But the same feature is actually already available in the hue app itself via a “hue labs” plugin. And it’s amazing.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Am I the only one who doesn't find it an inconvenience to lug a small speaker around with me as I move around the house? Isn't that the point of getting a Mini, that it's very portable?

Lol no. These things are meant to be placed unobtrusively around your home so you can just tell them to do stuff.

They have a hardwired power cable, and are (I think) covered in cloth, which will pickup dirt of constantly handled.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Less Fat Luke posted:

In that example all the neighbours ones disappear when I disable Bluetooth but seeing as I have Bluetooth devices that’s not a great fix.

Huh? You can’t play to Homepods via Bluetooth right?

Can you see any of these devices on the home app?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Less Fat Luke posted:

Yeah. Pretty sure there's no loving solution to this, there's no way Apple is going to let me blacklist foreign devices on all my systems. Goddamn what an annoying problem to have.

Can you intercom to them?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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japtor posted:

I’d say keep air playing porn cause I want to see enough complaints about it to eventually reach the big Apple blogs and I’ll be like "hey I remember that guy!" But he could get in trouble I guess.

Ok just play Nickelback, or maybe the RickRoll song then.

Or the Rush Limbaugh radio show.

Possibilities are endless.

I assume this wasn’t found in testing because all Apple employees are loaded and live in detached houses in palatial estates, rather than apartments where you’re 3 feet from the next AirPod over.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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japtor posted:

Yeah the functionality appears to be there...it just doesn’t work beyond the initial confirmation.

"Hey Siri set your speaking volume to 20%"
"I’ll speak more softly"
"Hey Siri what’s your speaking volume"
"I’m at 48%!"

Yep, based on this and a few other obvious cases of poor design with automations, I feel like they need to hire more software QA testers.

There are entire iPhone features that have been broken since inception too.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Sigh.

HomeKit wise for me it’s the inability to just say “turn off all the lights in 10 minutes” and have it work., and the lack of any kind of fade in and out functionality (sunrise wakeup, which is table stakes) that kills it and forces me to keep using Hue for some stuff.

And the UK specific problem of no BBC radio stations on Homepod: I guess partially due to a licensing change, and partly because they only opened up the ability for 3rd party apps recently snd there are none.

Nevertheless, it works on every other home assistant by default, so it’s apples fault.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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crackhaed posted:

When they are doing really poorly at something they tend to try to ignore it for as long as possible and then all of a sudden go "while the old version of what we did was great, we knew we could REVOLUTIONIZE [this thing] so now Apple is launching the BEST EVER version of [this thing]."

Hmm, I feel like this isn’t the case for things with a big network effect, or where they’re reliant on third party integration to make things work.

They can announce all sorts of whiz bang features, APIs etc. And then it’ll take years for other products to support it, so it may as well not have happened.

They can clear up these bugs / feature oversights, but there are so many services they don’t work with, and so much hardware that isn’t HomeKit enabled.

We still don’t have any 3rd party HomePod music integration do we?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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No way to get rid of the paused song, but maybe try this option in accessibility settings:

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I have the exact same problem, ultra loud Siri responses at night.

Curiously there’s silence when I trigger an automation: “good night” kills all the lights.

But any actual Siri command is a nightmare.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I kind of get it, but they need to have a model with decent sound, or at least a useful output to plug in other speakers for the smart speaker to be worthwhile at all for me as a whole house thing.

They’re just abandoning everything to Sonos if this is real.

I’d never bother with HomePod mini for a living room, kitchen diner etc.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Ultimate Mango posted:

My guess is its both price point and finally retiring the A8 or whatever is inside it.

I can cope with the model being retired, but the mini being all there is going forward has got to be a mistake.

Literally all they have over the other tubes is sound quality (well maybe privacy too). And they have no flexibility in terms of non apple sources, external outputs etc.

It was so obvious to everyone on launch that they’d gone for the wrong price point (and should’ve launched the mini instead tbh). But they have to stay focussed on premium sound to have a hope - it’s not like they’re gonna fix Siri.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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MarcusSA posted:

I haven’t updated yet but is annoying that when a timer is going off and you say “hey Siri stop the timer” she will like 90% of the time say “the timer is canceled” and the rest of the time she just turns it off like how it should be.

Saying the timer is canceled after it’s already finished and going off is a bit weird.

It’s maddening. I also get totally different behaviour from a mini downstairs vs an OG HomePod upstairs.

One shouts when I ask the time (late at night, in bed). The other doesn’t.

One can play a sports radio station with a simple command, the other fails and says “something went wrong” on the same command.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Maneki Neko posted:

I'm trying to figure out a good way for my kids to listen to music in their rooms using a music service. If they used Apple Music as part of our family setup, will that work well with the Homepod Minis in terms of being able to have their playlists, history, etc linked to them from a Homepod mini in their room?

They currently have Echos, but apparently no one on the Amazon Music team has children because there's no goddamn way for them keep things like playlists, history, etc between a tablet and a smart speaker using Amazon Music.

It’ll keep a history.

I’d say though that HomePod minis sound barely better than a laptop speaker and aren’t worth bothering with for music. Just get Bluetooth speakers or something with airplay support and let them play from a tablet.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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kri kri posted:

My minis sound significantly better than any Bluetooth speaker I have ever used. For kids I wouldn’t hesitate at all. Plus they can easily transfer the audio.

You’ve apparently never used a Bluetooth speaker since 2008 or something.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Minidust posted:

Is the Siri functionality of HomePods limited to an Apple Music subscription, or can it interact with shared iTunes libraries (like an Apple TV does with the “Computers” app) or local music on a phone? If it’s the former, can I at least select it as an AirPlay target and then use Siri for playback controls?

Another Siri question… does a HomePod open up voice control of HomeKit devices to anyone in the house? This would be great for my cat-sitting in-laws; right now they have to text me to lower the lights (Philips Hue) and that seems kinda silly.

Yes, Apple Music subscription only.

Siri can control the lights of course, though you should certainly get some hue switches.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I’ll be happy if I can get Siri to stop shouting at me when I set lighting scenes.

One HomePod in the bedroom: THE SCENE IS SET when I turn off all the lights to go to sleep.

One HomePod mini in the kitchen I can set any scenes I want and it never speaks back to me. Where the gently caress is this setting?

Is it related to the scene name or the fact that it turns out all the lights?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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IUG posted:

It doesn't speak to you if you're in a room that is effected by the scene you just set. I have "goodnight" which turns off all the lights in the house. This doesn't effect my bedroom, so Siri gives me spoken confirmation that the scene is set. If I'm in the kitchen when I tell it to set that scene, it does it silently.

I have a scene called goodnight that affects all the lights in my house, including, obviously, my bedroom.

And I get spoken confirmation every time.
All room locations are set accurately.

I get different behaviour in my kitchen.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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When you cancel a product so you can rework it and make it cheap enough to make sense, you need to make it cheaper.

They still haven’t realised this with the apple tv either. In both categories market share > all, don’t price gouge.

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Did Siri on HomePods get dumber again recently? Walk into a room with the lights off, say ‘hey Siri lights’. This used to turn the lights on, no response.

Now it asks ‘do you want me to turn them on or off?’.

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