Rising Superstar Joe Kennedy

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Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

and lol if joe biden is the nominee, then we somehow have another boomer vs boomer election in the loving year 2020 when the median boomer is prob in a retirement home

# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:50

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# ? May 9, 2024 07:19

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

Typo posted:

also let's face it neither E.Warren nor Bernie (heart attack) is gonna win the primaries

it's gonna be someone who can package bernie/warren's ideas together with some idpol poo poo but is younger than bernie and has more charisma than warren

so yeah it's gonna be pamela harris or someone like her

harris would be the least bad not sanders/warren

she at least knows to run left if it will get her votes like she did in the senate election against the other dem that worshiped the military

e: also she actually went after the banks instead of just accepting the deal obama was pushing for

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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:53

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

Typo posted:

literally any American president is gonna run pretty much the same foreign policy with a +/- 5% difference

president bernie would still be droning people

it's because the consequences of not droning people is too high for domestic politics: if there's a terrorist attack it's way too easy for the opposition to blame you for not droning enough browns and that resonates with the American public. So droning is just the default.

pretty much this, although bernie did offer a sort-of competing vision of foreign policy in a speech a few months back. it's also easier to run on status quo foreign policy because it doesn't affect americans nearly as much as status quo domestic policy

Gringostar posted:

not supporting isreal in any way would be fine

they could even keep bombing people if they just did that

i wouldn't go that far at all. our entire middle east policy needs to change, not just one thing. the whole root of the problem is american foreign policy treating countries and leaders like pieces in a geopolitical chess game, and then bombing (or supporting bombing from other countries) when need be

plus, even though there's a growing drift between democrats and republicans on the israel/palestine issue, there's still bipartisan unity in congress. this is the sort of thing that will take years to change

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:02

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

Gringostar posted:

harris would be the least bad not sanders/warren

she at least knows to run left if it will get her votes like she did in the senate election against the other dem that worshiped the military

e: also she actually went after the banks instead of just accepting the deal obama was pushing for

is she still anti-marijuana like she was when she was running for attorney general? she managed to be more against it than her republican challenger. booker is the chief sponsor of a "legalize weed and give restorative justice to war on drugs victims" bill in the senate, so it'd be nice if she hopped on there

gillibrand's been trending leftward for the past few years too. she's pro-weed legalization, pro-$15 minimum wage, and sponsored a paid family leave bill in the senate. but being from NY i'd bet she's got plenty of finance money

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:07

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

get that OUT of my face posted:

is she still anti-marijuana like she was when she was running for attorney general? she managed to be more against it than her republican challenger. booker is the chief sponsor of a "legalize weed and give restorative justice to war on drugs victims" bill in the senate, so it'd be nice if she hopped on there

gillibrand's been trending leftward for the past few years too. she's pro-weed legalization, pro-$15 minimum wage, and sponsored a paid family leave bill in the senate. but being from NY i'd bet she's got plenty of finance money

gillibrand is basically the sort of political chameleon who is ultimately gonna benefit from bernie's 2016 campaign

which isn't necessarily bad, even FDR was a political chameleon when he got elected

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:12

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

get that OUT of my face posted:

is she still anti-marijuana like she was when she was running for attorney general? she managed to be more against it than her republican challenger. booker is the chief sponsor of a "legalize weed and give restorative justice to war on drugs victims" bill in the senate, so it'd be nice if she hopped on there

gillibrand's been trending leftward for the past few years too. she's pro-weed legalization, pro-$15 minimum wage, and sponsored a paid family leave bill in the senate. but being from NY i'd bet she's got plenty of finance money

iirc she's at least publicly pro de-criminalization now

she seemed to have had a fairly sizable leftward shift between when she ran for ag and when she ran for senate so at least she knows to run in the direction the party is heading to get votes

don't know who her corporate masters are off the top of my head like i do booker and gillibrand though

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:15

The Kingfish: Oct 21, 2015

WampaLord posted:

Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate?

I mean, I can guess the broad strokes is "bomb less people" but what exactly would you want to see?

Choosing to generally abide by international and U.S. law would be a huge plus. Otherwise, and off the top of my head: do your best to choke out the operational divisions of the CIA, publically choke out the NSA, reveal superficially damaging national secrets, use soft power on countries with human rights abuses (applied uniformly and not just when convenient), apply soft power against tax havens, apply soft power to further the socialist project.

The difficulty about defining foreign policy is that so much of it is reactive or secret. Just putting a decent levelheaded person in the Whitehouse is probably more important than the candidate's ability to articulate a grand foreign policy agenda - especially if that person comes into the office somewhat skeptical of the foreign policy blob.

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:22

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

WampaLord posted:

Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate?

I mean, I can guess the broad strokes is "bomb less people" but what exactly would you want to see?

Not starting more wars

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:25

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Typo posted:

and lol if joe biden is the nominee, then we somehow have another boomer vs boomer election in the loving year 2020 when the median boomer is prob in a retirement home

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:28

Baku: Aug 20, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

The Kingfish posted:

Choosing to generally abide by international and U.S. law would be a huge plus.

honestly this is a huge part of what foreign policy reform would look like for me; you could do a lot worse than starting with the premise that the united states actually respect other states, the international organizations and treaties we're a part of (or should be a party to and aren't), and international law rather than constantly acting like a lovely bully trying to be big dick on the playground even when (wrt things like climate change and the prospect of nuclear war) the stakes are incredibly dire

americans have a tendency to boil foreign policy down to a reductive question of selfish, willfully negligent isolationism VS selfish, violent interventionism, as if the notion of international cooperation for the mutual good of all isn't even on the table, and it'd be nice to have a president (who would almost definitely need to be not a boomer bc of poo poo like the shadow of the cold war) who considers that possibility

# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:58

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:25

The Kingfish: Oct 21, 2015

he sounds like mayor Quimby in my head and I'm not gonna mess that up by listening to him speak.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:27

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

The Kingfish posted:

Warren is basically just a typical dem when it comes to foreign policy right? I mean, I'd settle for her. But I'd choose an untested young socialist over her in the primary.

i basically can't think of a Dem with decent foreign policy

it's really notable just how little traction the anti-war movement got among Dems. the idea that America should rule the world is incredibly firmly entrenched in mainstream discourse

see also: the weekly "how dare Russian jets buzz our spy plane flying along their border" outrage articles

# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:32

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Eox posted:

the democratic party needs to go back to the drawing board, and to the left

34 yr old dashing up & comer bonhomous roosevelt van buren xii is making a big impression on the dc circuit i hear from sources who are in the know

# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:57

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

Shear Modulus posted:

lbj's non-vietnam success really makes an argument for political ruthlessness bringing progress rather than moderation or

of course ruthlessness against vietnamese is not too great

LBJ would never make it today as much as he literally waved his dick around

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:00

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

Lord of Pie posted:

LBJ would never make it today as much as he literally waved his dick around

didn't he do that only to other guys?

granted most of them were congressmen and there were virtually no women congressmen back then but you don't hear stories about him stepping out on his wife like you about most other presidents

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:03

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

on the polo field bonhomous is admired for his decorum and joyous air of aristocratic excellence.his sense of fairness and equanimity are demonstrated yearly at the long island fancy fellow dog breeding pageant,for which he is an honored judge.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:06

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Shear Modulus posted:

lbj's non-vietnam success really makes an argument for political ruthlessness bringing progress rather than moderation or

of course ruthlessness against vietnamese is not too great

Every politician is already ruthless

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:12

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

having learned demotic spanish from felip iv of spain's private tutor, luigi cervantes, bonhomous was able to address the immigrant mexican populations of the united states in their own tongue, rendering the swarthy fellows and their litters of offspring agog at what stirring words of consolation and inspiration our rising star might grace them with, & on which matter he most certainly did not disappoint,rendering complex matters of state in terms more readily intelliglbe to a sunsoaked, unlettered peoples such as these

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:12

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

Orkin Mang posted:

having learned demotic spanish from felip iv of spain's private tutor, luigi cervantes, bonhomous was able to address the immigrant mexican populations of the united states in their own tongue, rendering the swarthy fellows and their litters of offspring agog at what stirring words of consolation and inspiration our rising star might grace them with, & on which matter he most certainly did not disappoint,rendering complex matters of state in terms more readily intelliglbe to a sunsoaked, unlettered peoples such as these

me llamo tim kaine

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:20

1994 Toyota Celica: Sep 11, 2008; by Nyc_Tattoo

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Every politician is already ruthless

i can think of one who wasn't

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:20

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

zeal posted:

i can think of one who wasn't

thanks obama

# ? Feb 1, 2018 03:04

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

large adult son posted:

me llamo tim kaine

yo soy la democratia

# ? Feb 1, 2018 03:14

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Xaris posted:

isnt that what happened with corbyn too? lol

anyways i hope he does run even tho he'll be a dinosaur, still better than any loving joe kennedy or clinton or bidenn that will inspire no one and lose to trumP!

Corbyn got a straight up majority in the first round, even if every single other voter unified around a single candidate he would have still won.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 03:45

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

reignonyourparade posted:

Corbyn got a straight up majority in the first round, even if every single other voter unified around a single candidate he would have still won.

it will never not rule that the reason why voting in labour internal elections was opened to membership is that they thought their imagined neoliberal masses would elect establishment candidates and they wouldn't have to give even miniscule concessions to the left wing of the party any more

# ? Feb 1, 2018 04:13

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

large adult son posted:

it will never not rule that the reason why voting in labour internal elections was opened to membership is that they thought their imagined neoliberal masses would elect establishment candidates and they wouldn't have to give even miniscule concessions to the left wing of the party any more

this is why the dems still insist on punching left in 2018 as well, the imagined centrist hordes will surely mean they don't have to give the left anything

# ? Feb 1, 2018 05:32

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Main Paineframe posted:

i basically can't think of a Dem with decent foreign policy

it's really notable just how little traction the anti-war movement got among Dems. the idea that America should rule the world is incredibly firmly entrenched in mainstream discourse

see also: the weekly "how dare Russian jets buzz our spy plane flying along their border" outrage articles

Lincoln Chafee tbh

# ? Feb 1, 2018 05:33

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 05:39

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

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WampaLord posted:

Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate?

I mean, I can guess the broad strokes is "bomb less people" but what exactly would you want to see?

Stop trying to push for regime change and taking sides in civil wars without having an extremely good reason for doing so. Stop fighting for or funneling arms to one rear end in a top hat dictator over another rear end in a top hat dictator just because one is slightly more pro-America. Stop hypocritically pretending to be an arbiter of international human rights while you shower praise on Saudi loving Arabia.

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 05:43

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

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# ? Feb 1, 2018 16:59

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Main Paineframe posted:

i basically can't think of a Dem with decent foreign policy

it's really notable just how little traction the anti-war movement got among Dems. the idea that America should rule the world is incredibly firmly entrenched in mainstream discourse

see also: the weekly "how dare Russian jets buzz our spy plane flying along their border" outrage articles

the idea is that america ALREADY rules the world, that's where all that ~world police~ and ~leader of the free world~ poo poo comes from

# ? Feb 1, 2018 17:00

Andorra: Dec 12, 2012

Buford "Mad Dog" Kennedy, so nicknamed for his bad record and tendency to drool

# ? Feb 1, 2018 17:07

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

drat fools, they all want to be king. They'd have the country vote before choosing a successor.

who will enforce their rightful claims to the Lordship of Washington?

# ? Feb 1, 2018 17:47

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

what gets me is how little attention any of the other SOTU responses got

the media is all openly fawning over Joe Kennedy, while Sanders gets mentioned in a footnote

the really high-brow outlets might mention that Guzman did a response and that it was more anti-Trump

as far as I can tell, the only media sites that actually watched Waters' response are Cosmopolitan, Bustle, and RedState.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 18:45

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

WampaLord posted:

Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate?

I mean, I can guess the broad strokes is "bomb less people" but what exactly would you want to see?

a candidate that wanted to stop america's war machine rather than find new impoverished countries to feed into it would be good

its darkly hilarious trying to find a "good president" in the US's short past, there can only be any good ones if you don't count killing thousands/millions of foreigners in order to rob their country as bad

reading up on american history the two things that strike you are:
A) how recently you guys would just shoot labour protestors to death routinely, modernisation means that kind of default murderousness toward your own citizens is just reserved for black men and
B) how aggressive the country has been since its inception, I was under the assumption that other than genociding the natives America hadn't been big enough to fight wars of aggression until after WW2 but thats totally wrong, I don't think there has ever been a period where America wasn't invading someone or planning an invasion.

its kinda hypocritical for a Brit like me to criticize early america though since at that point y'all were just brits anyway, especially the genocide of the native americans, that was basically imperial british policy everywhere we went if the locals made poor slaves.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 19:26

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

zeal posted:

every picture i've seen of her from the last few months has shown greater and greater degrees of despair and dread

she's hypernormalizing nicely

people get un positioned because its basically a clown assignment and they get constantly dunked on

its like giving your most hated rival the position of ambassador to bhutan so you don't have to see them and have them isolated from the inner circle

# ? Feb 1, 2018 19:57

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

I was just thinking, but the slobbery thing is because T.V. is ultra-high-def now and also, if you'd like, you can watch it on a giant wall-sized T.V. screen optimized for exactly that.

T.V. today has too much detail. I can't handle it. It's grotesque and watching T.V. is like staring at giant heads where you can see every pore and bit of gunk, bit of spittle or mucus ball that happens to come popping out of an orifice.

This is me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAzR8zdM3OA

# ? Feb 1, 2018 20:02