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Hav posted:And how long has 'the man' been contracting your services? hes not wrong
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Fuzz posted:EGS gives out really good free games every month thus far, so refusing to get it out of some principled who are you talking to lol CharlestonJew posted:hes not wrong he's shouting at someone who isn't present Coolguye fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Mar 12, 2019 22:23
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protest is loving stupid.
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Fuzz posted:EGS gives out really good free games every month thus far, so refusing to get it out of some principled Hi CliffyB!
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Mar 12, 2019 22:25
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*sad trombone sound* See y'all in a year!
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Coolguye posted:oh that faq is priceless I don't see how Fig's investment gimmick survives this, not that it had a good track record anyway.
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grrarg posted:That FAQ doesn't mention the Fig changing distribution - which is a major selling point especially for gog users - then doubling down with an exclusivity contract is not a small decision. it's taking an already reduced market of backers who'll touch fig and then having them face distribution changes, exclusivity and egs. there has to be serious financial issues to even entertain this prospect, and it certainly doesn't improve the image of the product before it hits market. was seriously looking forward to this but looks like gollop is pretty intent on making risky bets that can only blow up in his face e: looking to the followup on this: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-08-13-phoenix-point-crowdfunding-breaks-usd2-million-heres-how-it-was-done e2: also does fig figures change if backers refund through them? i'm seeing a variety of end campaign figures to now Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Mar 12, 2019 23:43
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gamers are stabbed in the back yet again
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Fuzz posted:EGS gives out really good free games every month thus far, so refusing to get it out of some principled VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV singateco posted:Actually EGS is still a Fortnite launcher in my country and I can't even get free games without VPN, so I don't even know I will be able to enter product key when I recieve it. I literally don't have a menu for it. What singateco says. Refunded this poo poo. jfc
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I can't imagine the vampires at egs are any worse than the vampires at steam. At least egs are desperate to lure people in with free games atm
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If Epic wasn't in bed with tencent I would be less annoyed at the exclusives. But seriously why a whole year? Like that's just shady business. Eventually China will dictate everything and it will be too late. Piracy is just going to spike again.
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EmmyOk posted:I can't imagine the vampires at egs are any worse than the vampires at steam. At least egs are desperate to lure people in with free games atm the primary rule of 'free' on the internet is that if you're not paying for the product, you are the product. and that's frequently fine. if you're talking about google then you know exactly what they are using you for. they're harvesting your behavior and your demographics in order to try to sell you more poo poo you don't want. most people aren't comfortable with that, but other folks aren't. and that's fine their privacy policy provides a fair number of guarantees over PII and other really sensitive poo poo. steam's privacy policy is similarly skeezy, but ultimately not hugely scary. egs's privacy policy is scary even absent considerations of their business partners. now if you evaluate your own situation and you consider the free games fine compensation for the very actionable personal data you are providing then that's cool, more power to you. but the ratio of people who are not comfortable with that is a lot closer to 50/50 than the steam/google deal is. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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grrarg posted:That FAQ doesn't mention the Fig
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Coolguye posted:guess i'll be picking up the game after a year then because epic's privacy policy makes me extremely uncomfortable 
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Has someone done a proper write-up between the two stores (or more) Privacy policies besides yelling TENCENT over and over again?
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For me it's less about the privacy issue and more about the shady business. Like a month or two exclusive would be fine with me, but a whole year? Just to get you on their lackluster store/platform? Just because they have money to throw around? How about putting that money into a better storefront lol
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privacy issues aside steam has steam play for linux and gog outright avoids drm and anybody who backed it expecting either of those is getting straight hosed
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Tertius Oculum posted:For me it's less about the privacy issue and more about the shady business. Like a month or two exclusive would be fine with me, but a whole year? Just to get you on their lackluster store/platform? Just because they have money to throw around? How about putting that money into a better storefront lol Uh
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Croccers posted:Has someone done a proper write-up between the two stores (or more) Privacy policies besides yelling TENCENT over and over again? i gave you a thread to tug on above in my last post (look up the extent of what PII means to steam vs epic, epic considers a lot more poo poo PII and expressly says they're doing stuff with it) if you're actually interested in the topic. another primary difference is that epic's policy expressly permits them to obtain information from "other sources" to build a more complete dossier of you (steam's does not). even absent Tencent's influence it is an unusually aggressive privacy statement and there's a few cases working their way through courts in europe right now asking the question if it's even legal under the GDPR (steam's explicitly is). i'm really not interested in doing a "proper write-up" when the requester has clearly already made up his mind that the concerns of others are a bunch of hooey, though.
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i guess this just means i'll get it for real cheap in sept 2020 or whatever. ive waited longer for games
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Tertius Oculum posted:For me it's less about the privacy issue and more about the shady business. Like a month or two exclusive would be fine with me, but a whole year? Just to get you on their lackluster store/platform? Just because they have money to throw around? How about putting that money into a better storefront lol Because it doesn't work like that. They could make a much better storefront, and if people have the choice between it and Steam, most people would pick Steam. I know I would!
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I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal for so many people, but 
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The Lone Badger posted:I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal for so many people, but aside from the privacy issue the exclusives chasing smacks really closely of the bad old days of the console wars, and the lovely preorder incentive chasing that GameStop, Best Buy, etc all constantly tried to one up each other over
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^^^^^ that too Was kinda following this since XCOM2 didn't click with me, but this latest news is lovely. And that's not even out of (legitimate) privacy concerns, it's just that I don't want to install another launcher on my computer, I already have Steam and Uplay and I wish I'd gotten everything on Steam already. Adding yet another manager? No thank you. Also I always hated "console exclusives", if I didn't choose the "right" platform when I first bought it, for the lifetime of the console I could not play a game for 6 months, 1 year, or even ever. Can't see what there is to be gained in it for me as a consumer - honestly it's one of the reasons I went back to PC gaming, it used to not have that kind of poo poo. I want a game, I'm ready to pay full price for it, but I can't - and not because of technical reasons, but because the company that made the game decided so - and this makes me disproportionately angry (first world problems, I know). Too bad, but this is where one votes with his wallet. They'll get money from Epic, sure, but they're going to lose plenty of day one sales imo. I'll look into it once it hits GOG or Steam, and maybe at a discount too 
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Huh, didn't know about this game until now. Doesn't look half bad at all but I'm not gonna bother with Epic store. Either way,  Xenonauts 2 is just around the corner so when I get my next X-Com itch, there's not much competition regarding what game I'm grabbing.
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In the 15 years I've had steam, they've sent me purchase confirmations and a password reset like once. Since I was suckered into signing up for the EGS for Subnautica, I've received about 40 suspicious log in messages from countries that I do not live in and the generic viagra/nigerian prince/brand shoes spam that hotmail managed to block pretty successfully for the the last 5 years or so has also suddenly popped up again. Refundin' Edit: also consider that if you are a Fig backer who's expecting a share of the money, Epic just bought out your profit by bribing Gollop to sell the game on a less profitable storefront. Asehujiko fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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I don't care about storefront loyalty or anything like that but the epic store isn't any good currently. They should make it good with at least a majority of the better steam features before buying exclusives
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Cavauro posted:I don't care about storefront loyalty or anything like that but the epic store isn't any good currently. They should make it good with at least a majority of the better steam features before buying exclusives Why? What purpose would EGS being a second, identical infrastructure to Steam serve? Your friends are already gathered on Steam and Discord and that's inevitably where you chat with them, nobody uses 90% of Steam's features and certainly nobody actually looks at the store page for Steam because of the utter deluge of garbage. The EGS only just got enough games for them to warrant adding a search feature and I still don't think it's necessary with 22 total titles or whatever it is now. I'm not being a dick or trying to sell people on EGS, but this argument comes up constantly in the discussion surrounding it and I don't see how it's a good or even honest argument. Uplay and Origin have friends lists, chat, voice chat and the only time any of those get used is to invite friends to games or check with someone who isn't in voice "You ready?" Epic isn't (currently) trying to replace Steam (and competing and replacing are different), they're just another storefront like Uplay and Origin but everyone keeps saying that they need to be more to be worth using.
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Orv posted:Why? What purpose would EGS being a second, identical infrastructure to Steam serve? Your friends are already gathered on Steam and Discord and that's inevitably where you chat with them, nobody uses 90% of Steam's features and certainly nobody actually looks at the store page for Steam because of the utter deluge of garbage. The EGS only just got enough games for them to warrant adding a search feature and I still don't think it's necessary with 22 total titles or whatever it is now. From the sounds of all the hack attempts, I'd say security features would be a good place to start.
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Like 90% of games today use the steam backend for multiplayer. Do these epic store exclusives still do that? Will they be allowed to in the future?
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FoolyCharged posted:From the sounds of all the hack attempts, I'd say security features would be a good place to start. I mean yeah fair, they have 2FA and those alerts but there's more they could do. Honestly even with heavy security those aren't going to stop. Fortnite is big enough that people are going to try and log into Epic accounts basically forever and as far as I know that's all those emails are, attempts not successes. Interestingly I haven't gotten one in a while, dunno if they gave up or what's going on there.
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Epic did add two factor. I found my primary email had already been used to make an account. Which suggests that fortnite doesn’t make you confirm your email, which is weird.
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Impermanent posted:haha you fools, i sold out months ago when hades came out Same. For me the Epic Games launcher is the Hades launcher, and it hasn't given me butt cancer yet, so I'm not dying to get it off my computer. I still feel uncomfortable with this, and think unless Epic offered them a literal burlap sack full of cash, this is probably a bad move for Phoenix Point. The audience on EGS for this type of game has to be a lot smaller than on Steam (even though the EGS launcher has a big audience these days, most of those people just play Fortnite), so even if they do make a bigger percentage from each sale, the total amount of sales must be smaller than it would be on Steam. Also, this is a massive bummer for people who pledged for a DRM free GOG.com key.
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Croccers posted:Has someone done a proper write-up between the two stores (or more) Privacy policies besides yelling TENCENT over and over again? 
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Croccers posted:Has someone done a proper write-up between the two stores (or more) Privacy policies besides yelling TENCENT over and over again? From what I know Epic let you register account without even validating email is yours, or even real. That's quite an indicator of their professionalism. So you may go to register and find someone already used your email address(then use recover password and hijack their account to teach them not to be an idiot next time) The other story is that they leaked all the accounts last summer, so emails and names used to register until then float about in the internet and chinese kids use those to try to get your fortnite account. Also, since it's now a recommendation thread for x-com likes - try Phantom Doctrine, it's a spy-themed X-COM with bit more emphasis on stealth and playing with all the conspiracy tropes in existence. Pyromancer fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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I feel like sticking "paid" in front of exclusives is deliberately misleading enough to not trust the rest of that list. That line is intentionally written in order to pretend that dota2, only on steam, isn't a thing. I'm pretty sure valve's dumb card game thing is also exclusive. And all of this is discounting 3rd parties that only release their junk on steam.
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Coolguye posted:another primary difference is that epic's policy expressly permits them to obtain information from "other sources" to build a more complete dossier of you (steam's does not). What would prevent them from doing that correlation if the sector wasn’t there? Is this a GDPR nicety I wasn’t aware of?
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