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Pointing out that historically, America sucks, and is bad.
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Feb 6, 2018 01:20
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GalacticAcid posted:Pointing out that historically, America sucks, and is bad. Look at this Russian bot spreading revisionist history here. 
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Feb 6, 2018 01:26
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People from the supposed state of Delaware get really ticked when you explain that Delaware was invented whole cloth by map publishers in the 1820s.
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Feb 6, 2018 02:49
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In red states, pointing out that regulations work great at keeping tuberculosis out of your milk and rivers out of your living room.
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Feb 6, 2018 03:02
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Jefferson Davis was the greatest American President!
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Feb 6, 2018 06:26
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The "things I say to own CHUDs" lists are kinda pointless. No sober American (or at least, one not already predisposed to solving trivial disagreements with fisticuffs) is going to throw hands over a historical slight unless it's related to the Civil War, slavery, or Nazism. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans start drinking before noon.
Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 07:02
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Blue Star posted:Yeah, the Founding Fathers were a lot more mystical than people believe. Many were Deists and Freemasons, quite a few were sorcerers. The Puritan and Protestant settlers were merely a useful tool for their magickal designs, which are still playing out to this day. To where and what will they ultimately lead? None can tell. I would read historical fiction about Founding Wizards.
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Feb 6, 2018 07:03
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viral spiral posted:This is my favorite one. The USSR suffered the brunt of the Nazi war machine at the cost of 20 million casualties, and most of the German soldiers died on the eastern front as well.
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Feb 6, 2018 07:12
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stone cold posted:so does “Patton was a huge anti-semite” or “MacArthur was a moron” You can actually get a good amount of Americans angry by criticizing Winston Churchill
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Feb 6, 2018 07:46
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yeah, and they might very well have lost far more without American materiél, but I sincerely doubt anyone cares enough to fight you over this. i'lll fight you. the ussr stopped the german advance at moscow at the end of 41/beginning of 42 and then broke the back of the german army at the end of 42 and the beginning of 43. by that time, the lend lease act had sent barely any supplies (only 16.1% of the total by then end of 42- germany was on the retreat in february of 43). even though it was only months later, lend lease had a bigger impact on things like kursk because the trucks and logistical equipment provided from lend lease assisted in building the defensive zone which halted the last major german offensive on the eastern front. basically, the supplies were nice, but not particularly necessary. the germans were defeated halfway through the 2nd wave (waves were not equal sizes) of 4 waves of supplies. now, someone pointed out to me that the ussr benefitted greatly during the initial parts of barbarossa from the UK sending them supplies, but this was not a part of the US's lend lease act.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:25
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I've seen people get real fired up when you tell them that George Armstrong Custer was a murdering bastard who deserved every bit of getting massacred for triggering the Black Hills gold rush and aiding and abetting with armed force the most egregious and bloody treaty violations in American history.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:38
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RaySmuckles posted:here's one that gets boomers all the time: this one doesn't just get boomers, it gets anyone who knows anything about socialism because it's unbelievably stupid
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Feb 6, 2018 08:55
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stone cold posted:anything re: whites doing Native American genocide, whites putting japanese-americans in camps, slavery, the land whites stole from Mexico, various colonial atrocities like in the Philippines I dont think as many people as you think are uncomfortable about discussing the first three. The fourth is just two colonial powers fighting each other so who really cares. More recent history like the poo poo we pulled in the Phillippines will get you stinkeyes though.
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Feb 6, 2018 16:50
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Meme Emulator posted:I dont think as many people as you think are uncomfortable about discussing the first three. The fourth is just two colonial powers fighting each other so who really cares. More recent history like the poo poo we pulled in the Phillippines will get you stinkeyes though. you will be lucky if people even know about the subjugation/oppression of the Philippians and stuff like the moro massacre to get defensive about it. the first two are widely taught in schools to varying degrees. the mexican american war is barely taught and Philippians are maybe touched on sometimes. most americans get their history from some underpayed bored public school history teacher and thats if they live in good parts of the north.
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Feb 6, 2018 17:06
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even as a non-yankeeeee the obvious answer is the civil war go to a bar in the south, say the confederates were traitors who lost a war fighting to keep people enslaved the real answer though is to lol at the idea that america has history
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Feb 6, 2018 17:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:you will be lucky if people even know about the subjugation/oppression of the Philippians and stuff like the moro massacre to get defensive about it. the first two are widely taught in schools to varying degrees. the mexican american war is barely taught and Philippians are maybe touched on sometimes. most americans get their history from some underpayed bored public school history teacher and thats if they live in good parts of the north. I meant more youll get the stinkeye about Americas colonial romps BECAUSE nobody knows about it. Since theyve never heard about it itll just be interpreted as anti-military or something which is an automatic shutdown for a lot of Americans.
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Feb 6, 2018 17:52
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Meme Emulator posted:I meant more youll get the stinkeye about Americas colonial romps BECAUSE nobody knows about it. Since theyve never heard about it itll just be interpreted as anti-military or something which is an automatic shutdown for a lot of Americans. true. i guess i am just lucky because i know people who do. hell my gf step dad is related to smedly buttler, he was also friends with max landis in college. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 18:02
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Point out that the number of people fleeing communist states to the US far outweighed the reverse.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:20
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Nosfereefer posted:"Um, we were killing even more civilians with conventional terror bombings, so shut it peacenik" Yeah this is a good one too, just mention that firebombing cities was a horrifically evil and morally unjustifiable act and you'll get people plenty mad. Like there will be people quoting this post to give me an essay on why burning children alive in their homes is a great thing to do, as long as they're awful foreign children.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:32
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Meme Emulator posted:I dont think as many people as you think are uncomfortable about discussing the first three. The fourth is just two colonial powers fighting each other so who really cares. More recent history like the poo poo we pulled in the Phillippines will get you stinkeyes though. have you considered: bringing this up with real life white Americans the results may shock you Dapper_Swindler posted:you will be lucky if people even know about the subjugation/oppression of the Philippians and stuff like the moro massacre to get defensive about it. the first two are widely taught in schools to varying degrees. the mexican american war is barely taught and Philippians are maybe touched on sometimes. most americans get their history from some underpayed bored public school history teacher and thats if they live in good parts of the north. friend, the philippians are in the Bible but you’re totally correct. i think people in aztlan are more likely to learn about the mexican american war by virtue of the year or two in elementary when you go over your state history, but other than that? perhaps not so much. and that’s why people get mad, because they have this very childlike sense of patriotism and civic pride where they can’t handle the fact that the us has done some seriously bad poo poo
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Feb 6, 2018 23:11
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also the notion that white americans don’t get incredibly uncomfortable or bad when discussing slavery is laughable
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Feb 6, 2018 23:12
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah this is a good one too, just mention that firebombing cities was a horrifically evil and morally unjustifiable act and you'll get people plenty mad. No it's OK because you don:'t see the children you are murdering. It's the key difference that makes it cool and good!
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Feb 6, 2018 23:17
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stone cold posted:also the notion that white americans don’t get incredibly uncomfortable or bad when discussing slavery is laughable I find that there are two particularly common ways this manifests. There's the obvious "Southerners and/or racists who tried to downplay how bad slavery was or claim a lack of responsibility for it," but then there's also the "Northerner/liberal who uses any discussion of slavery to segue into a rant about how American racism is specifically a Southern/conservative thing, with the heavy implication that things would be mostly fine if the whole country were enlightened like the liberal states." So on one hand you have people who strictly deny or downplay slavery and their relationship to it, and then you have people who try to focus the blame on other whites.
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Feb 7, 2018 00:13
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stone cold posted:have you considered: bringing this up with real life white Americans sorry about that. but yeah, you are absolutely right. its mostly ignorance(sometimes self imposed but often because of poo poo schools and busy life with no focus on it) but also the child like patrionism stuff. Horace Mann did to good a job i guess. stone cold posted:also the notion that white americans don’t get incredibly uncomfortable or bad when discussing slavery is laughable yeah. like Ytala said, its bit of a divide in HOW they feel uncomfortable. but yes as a fat white person, it is uncomfortable. like they said. both sides of the civil war crap with blacks with some union forces/leaders/politicians being the exception rather then the rule.
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Feb 7, 2018 00:32
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sorry about that. but yeah, you are absolutely right. its mostly ignorance(sometimes self imposed but often because of poo poo schools and busy life with no focus on it) but also the child like patrionism stuff. Horace Mann did to good a job i guess. it’s that and then it either turns into very ugly atrocity denial or worse, saying that the victims deserved it to the point of making up very gross rear end lies (see for example: the twilight zone episode with george takei)
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Feb 7, 2018 00:39
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Ytlaya posted:I find that there are two particularly common ways this manifests. There's the obvious "Southerners and/or racists who tried to downplay how bad slavery was or claim a lack of responsibility for it," but then there's also the "Northerner/liberal who uses any discussion of slavery to segue into a rant about how American racism is specifically a Southern/conservative thing, with the heavy implication that things would be mostly fine if the whole country were enlightened like the liberal states." yeah the way modern americans interpret the actions of their ancestors/other american's ancestors is pretty gross, it reminds me of how most white americans think of MLK as some sort of patron saint of black americans who drove the racists away, when MLK got tons of pushback from white liberals in his time most americans who fought in the civil war fought because of regionalist or nationalist pride, for adventure, because they needed money, or because they were forced to via social pressure or straight up conscription. the only group of americans who consistently fought to end slavery were the united states colored troops, who by the end of the war were something like 10-15% of the union army. slavery was so pervasive that while it's easy for us to determine this as the root cause of the war from a historical distance, it wasn't something pressing for your average white american at that time simply because it was so pervasive
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Feb 7, 2018 00:42
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stone cold posted:it’s that and then it either turns into very ugly atrocity denial or worse, saying that the victims deserved it to the point of making up very gross rear end lies (see for example: the twilight zone episode with george takei) yep. i mean i am guilty of that too ( i think nicky the 2nd got what was coming to him, shame about the family but gently caress royals amongst other history poo poo) but yeah, which twilight zone episode was it?
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Feb 7, 2018 00:48
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Captain Oblivious posted:I've spent too much time in university history departments, sometimes I forget that "MacArthur was an egregious fuckup on every level imaginable" is a controversial stance I read quite a few histories of the pacific war recently, and all of them were pretty down on him. Allan Schom especially. Hastings and Beevor, too. They all acknowledge that he was a brave man in his youth, but was a posturing blowhard by the time he was posted to the Phillipines. Hastings is the softest, saying that even if Macarthur had prepared the Phillipines it wouldn't have made a difference (probably wrong) but still acknowledging his neglect and his astonishing, destructive ego. These are all popular historians, so I'm surprised to hear you say that. One that only works on a certain group, but works really reliably, is suggesting that Bruce Lee was almost definitely on a shitload of steroids. It only works on martial arts nerds, and a small subset that give in to that particular brand of hero worship, but gently caress it works.
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Feb 7, 2018 06:10
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Yeah a lot of white Americans get weird when you bring up the genocides and the slavery. Genocide and slavery have been a part of humanity since the stone age, almost every culture and civilization partook in these things and they still happen today. America is no different. Its time we owned up to our country's history and move on, evolve. Then we can rub it in other country's faces: "Yeah we acknowledge our history. Now its your turn to acknowledge yours, Mr. Rape of Nanking. And what about you, China? Or should i say, Mr. Dzungar Genocide? And Russia, what with your 'conquest' of Sibera" Oh man its gonna be so sweet. And they'll just have to take it too.
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Feb 7, 2018 09:25
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Blue Star posted:Yeah a lot of white Americans get weird when you bring up the genocides and the slavery. Genocide and slavery have been a part of humanity since the stone age, almost every culture and civilization partook in these things and they still happen today. America is no different. Its time we owned up to our country's history and move on, evolve. Then we can rub it in other country's faces: "Yeah we acknowledge our history. Now its your turn to acknowledge yours, Mr. Rape of Nanking. And what about you, China? Or should i say, Mr. Dzungar Genocide? And Russia, what with your 'conquest' of Sibera" Oh man its gonna be so sweet. And they'll just have to take it too. Especially since America isn't a particularly young country. Even if they need to rationalise it away, they can just say it was 'a different time' or whatever.
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Feb 7, 2018 09:57
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Snowman_McK posted:Especially since America isn't a particularly young country. Even if they need to rationalise it away, they can just say it was 'a different time' or whatever.
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Feb 7, 2018 10:09
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A Buttery Pastry posted:"It was a different time" doesn't work that well when your country never ended slavery, just its most blatant form. That's probably why they get cross. It's pretty hard to deny that racial inequality is still alive and well in a really institutional way. Then again, I live in a country that runs concentration camps, and I know people who rationalise that.
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Feb 7, 2018 10:18
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Snowman_McK posted:That's probably why they get cross. It's pretty hard to deny that racial inequality is still alive and well in a really institutional way. Some of those so-called refugees have biceps, they are clearly super soldiers who are going to turn Australia Muslim and take away our pork sausages.
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Feb 7, 2018 11:13
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A Buttery Pastry posted:"It was a different time" doesn't work that well when your country never ended slavery, just its most blatant form. I wish telling Americans that they've never abolished slavery would lead to fights rather than blank stares and disbelief.
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Feb 7, 2018 14:28
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Snowman_McK posted:That's probably why they get cross. It's pretty hard to deny that racial inequality is still alive and well in a really institutional way. out of interest, are there any liberal western states that dont currently have concentration camps? Just calling them like "detention processing centres" or whatever for immigrants? I know here in the UK we have a couple private run rape camps the government goes to bat for
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Feb 7, 2018 15:02
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Americans are violently passionate that they are irish or scottish.
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Feb 7, 2018 18:06
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"Taxes aren't in the constitution, they're an amendment" "Taxation is in article 1 section 8" "No I've read it you're wrong and dumb!" "Fuckin socialist Obama" "Obama is a capitalist" "He's a democrat and democrats are socialist!" You can piss people off significantly just by honestly engaging them in any policy discussion, really. If someone talks about how the US has the best doctors, you can get them angry just by bringing up our relatively high infant mortality rate and insinuating that if they cared about children they'd try to offer support because infants have no means of purchasing healthcare. Really it's just a matter of giving someone information contrary to what they believe. Hell I've had someone get up in my face by saying a pound a day is not a healthy rate of weight loss and also not something the human body can sustain beyond bullshit shock diets.
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Feb 7, 2018 19:08
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Talk about how absurd the modern conservative NRA interpretation of the 2nd amendment. Can't believe this wasn't already mentioned.
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Feb 7, 2018 19:26
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most white americans get extremely angry if you pop their bubble and describe anything as political that isnt convenient to them
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Feb 7, 2018 20:05
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oh also when you're pro-gun but a leftist it makes both conservative and liberal americans absolutely lose their poo poo
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Feb 7, 2018 20:06
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