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Okay clearly some of you haven’t seen Peven Stan post before. He’s going to willfully misrepresent anything and/or everything you say working backwards towards his actual rhetorical goal of being the One True Leftist, possibly to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. You are literally wasting your time engaging with the dude. He’s gonna claim that evaluating historical actors or events relative to contextual events and ideology is equivalent to whitewashing racism or whatever else he needs to because he’s arguing from a predetermined conclusion. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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For actual content, in my personal experience here in the south a great way to piss people off is to say that we didn’t so much win the war of 1812 as get our asses kicked up and down the thirteen colonies and then achieve a “draw” by virtue of the British being busy with far more important things.
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Feb 5, 2018 05:17
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Peven Stan posted:Whites then knew what they were doing was wrong. There's a street in San Francisco named after a jewish labor activist who was the sole voice to not endorse chinese exclusion at a meeting of the california workingmen's party in the 1870s. Don't give me this crocodile tear poo poo, racism was a deliberate and calculated policy pursued by white labor interests at the expense of nonwhites, even in the late 19th century. He thinks he sees a giant, but alas, it is just a windmill. It would be way sadder to me if you earnestly thought you were having the argument implied by this post, because then you’d just be very dumb instead of a deliberately pointlessly antagonistic gimmick poster. Or to put it more bluntly: No poo poo my dude. Well except for the “whites knew what they were doing was wrong” part lmao have you never heard of rationalizing one’s material interests or what
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Feb 5, 2018 05:25
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Peven Stan posted:So why hide it then? The left academics who write 19th century labor's hagiopgraphy are curiously silent. Sir this is an Arby’s. The left academics who write 19th century labor’s hagiography don’t work here. The reason you have trouble is you project legitimate grievances onto arguments that don’t say what you think they’re saying and, effectively, random passerbys. It is simultaneously true that American labor poo poo on a wide variety of minorities for their own (white) gain and also it is reductive and useless to therefore stop the conversation at “therefore labor bad”. Yes labor bad sometimes, good other times.
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Feb 5, 2018 05:36
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stone cold posted:so does “Patton was a huge anti-semite” or “MacArthur was a moron” I've spent too much time in university history departments, sometimes I forget that "MacArthur was an egregious fuckup on every level imaginable" is a controversial stance 
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Feb 5, 2018 12:04
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Snowman_McK posted:I read quite a few histories of the pacific war recently, and all of them were pretty down on him. Allan Schom especially. Hastings and Beevor, too. They all acknowledge that he was a brave man in his youth, but was a posturing blowhard by the time he was posted to the Phillipines. Hastings is the softest, saying that even if Macarthur had prepared the Phillipines it wouldn't have made a difference (probably wrong) but still acknowledging his neglect and his astonishing, destructive ego. These are all popular historians, so I'm surprised to hear you say that. I think you misread my post, I was saying precisely because I've been primarily exposed to the kind of historiography you're describing I forget that normal white Americans don't think of MacArthur as a Giant Fuckup. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 04:25
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Kanine posted:american whites will literally never accept disarmament lmao Agreed, we live at the end of history and no further changes to culture are plausible. All events in history were but to propel us to this singularly inevitable time.
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Feb 9, 2018 12:10
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Kanine posted:yeah because pointing out the truth that white americans as a bloc are reactionary and will never willingly relinquish their firearms as saying all future changes to culture are impossible. Human beings are reactionary af throughout all times and places in history. Things change regardless. I think it's probably best to keep trying to remove guns from the hands of basically everybody because arming to counter the murderous impulses of white supremacists is putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
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