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augias posted:But yeah people moving from one country to another? So easy. It depends the country and what you're trying to do. You can get to Chile from a lot of places in Latin America with an ID card and no passport. But if you're coming to settle or work it's a different story (try coming from Peru or Colombia).
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augias posted:Yep, chileans are doggedly racist to their colombian and peruvian brethren. Chilean gov also doesn't have an ICE equivalent hunting and deporting people because of petty bureaucratic irregularities, to my knowledge. Again, am willing to learn if this is not the case. AFAIK that would be way too much effort so we are just content to catch them when it comes up.
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Feb 8, 2018 12:54
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Lightning Knight posted:But conceptualizing immigration policy like this is deeply unethical to me, because it accepts the framing that immigrants should only be accepted insofar as they are useful to us, and if they stopped being useful to us, it would be acceptable to shut out immigrants and support closed borders policies. You can value people as people and also acknowledge they have virtues or faults in a particular context, and we (even you!) do that all the time. If you were choosing a roommate you wouldn't think twice about vetting them to make sure they were a good fit and that they could actually pay their share, and you wouldn't think twice about turning down anyone you didn't think would come through. Immigration is the same decision on a larger scale.
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Feb 12, 2018 12:54
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Polyseme posted:That seems like imagining a national economy like a household economy: useful as a temporary metaphor but critically lacking. Immigration policy for voters is more like being a tenant in a hotel trying to get management to change policies regarding future tenants. Tenants in a hotel do no actual work to help maintain or run the hotel, have no obligations beyond not wrecking their rooms, and expect to be waited on by people whose job it is to make them comfortable while they gently caress off and do whatever. They're like children except they pay money. If you view the national economy like a hotel that says a lot about you but not much that's useful about immigration.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:29
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Polyseme posted:The economy us nothing like a hotel. I'm saying that immigration is closer to being a hotel tenant than your analogue which makes about as much sense as comparing the economy to a household. That is, it doesn't. I'll be honest, I don't understand what you're saying.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:11
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Polyseme posted:National immigration policy is not "choosing a roommate" writ large. That assumes that it's the tenants choosing, instead of management setting broad policy. I'm just saying it's a dumb analogy. I think you missed the point of the roommate analogy.
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Lightning Knight posted:No, it’s just a really stupid analogy. No, it's apt but he missed the point.
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