US Immigration Policy Megathread

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Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Also that at least one domestic government agency is actively rogue and refusing orders to stop committing atrocities. At what point do we start seeing ICE staff detained and prosecuted?

# ¿ Mar 31, 2021 05:55

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 14:39

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

And do NOT get me started on Australia.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2021 12:29

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

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Posting a chart showing 3 of the top 5 immigration friendly countries in the world are Australia, Russia and Singapore to own the libs is truly something awful, but no that�s not actually how that works.

Prior to Trump, and hopefully once again after the pandemic, the US has nearly always been a top 5 country for family based and humanitarian visas. That Russia allows a couple of million Kazakhs and Turkmen a year conditional access to Moscow to work in construction until their bodies break down, or that Singapore allows in as many rich people as it can possibly bleed dry for cost of living while never giving them citizenship, is not particularly relevant to this conversation IMO.

And Australia has made a national pastime of brutalising and demonising refugees.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2021 15:17

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

'Rounding up protestors', yeah, you sure have been. Where's Kyle Rittenhouse again? And half the Squad is already defending the practices they once denounced.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2021 04:35

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

And how many staff is the government basically trying to keep away from these kids now?

Christ, just get all the people out of the ICE facilities, lock the staff in there and throw away the key.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2021 04:52

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Konstantin posted:

What would you prefer be done instead? You can't wave a magic wand and have thousands of good foster care facilities pop up. Should we release the kids to people claiming to be family without doing proper vetting? Ask for volunteers to take care of the kids? Deport them? What specific actions would you have the Biden administration take?

Cease these bad faith posts.

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# ¿ May 12, 2021 06:08

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Willa Rogers posted:

Woot, I'm so glad to see this Obama-era trope reappear under Biden.

It's amazing how childish it is and yet it's apparently considered good faith, mature and intelligent. Of course, if you do offer a solution of your own, it will invariably be called unrealistic, infeasible and extreme, and proof that we should leave such things to our betters.

# ¿ May 12, 2021 13:08

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Keeping the labour class scared, cowed and disposable is far more important than increasing their numbers. That's what the saber-rattling and coups in Central and South America are for. They're looking at Cuba and salivating over all that potential disposable labour.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 16:13

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

Counterpoint: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

What aspects of political policy and action do you think class analysis does not apply to?

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 17:25

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

evilweasel posted:

voting patterns and preferences in the united states, which show that people do not act based on class analysis

given that it is obvious beyond dispute huge numbers of people do not act based on class analysis (just look at republican poor white voters voting for upper-class tax cuts), it is useless as a way to explain people's actions

It's not actually poor people voting for these tax cuts, by and large poor Americans do not vote at all for either party, both because of voter suppression and because they accurately recognise neither parties sufficiently serve their interests. Please stop buying into Republican frameworks.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 17:35

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Race reductionism is just as totally useless as class reductionism, and is anything is far more common than the latter. (In fact, 'class reductionism' tends to be thrown around as an accusation against people bringing up class to any degree at all)

Main Paineframe posted:

A pure economic analysis isn't going to be useful by itself, but subjecting it to a purely non-economic analysis and assuming that economics play no role is equally useless. Economic and non-economic factors are deeply entwined in the minds of the people, intentionally so. That's especially true for racism in American culture, which has spent literal centuries mixing economic considerations with social considerations with tribalism with pseudoscience, all to create the toxic slurry known as white supremacy. Approaching it from just one angle is useless to the exclusion of all else is useless precisely because all those other elements are tied in, forming a complex web of interwoven justifications that shore up whatever single pillar you try to take a crack at.

Republican voters don't have to like the big business wing's tax cut policies. They just have to be convinced that the actual policies that Democrats will pursue are even worse, and will lead to the imminent social or economic collapse of the country if not voted against at all costs - even if it means supporting some unsavory policies from the GOP. And sorry, but I can't take it seriously if you're saying that a law polling at ~80% among Republicans is only reluctantly, begrudgingly supported by the base. Yes, I know politics are hyper-partisan now, but that's still a pretty high number!

Yeah, it goes with the whole idea that liberals/leftists mean well, but their demands for things like 'a habitable planet' and 'stop brutalising people for no reason' are like little kids who want ice cream for breakfast every day and have to be told off, sometimes with tear gas and rendition to black sites.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2021 04:26

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

I'm entirely certain that ICE commits vastly more human trafficking than it even pretends to 'investigate'.

Fire them, break their union, and arrest them for investigation and prosecution.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2021 06:28

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

lol if they didn't know that the US is frothingly hostile to any kind of immigration at the best of times unless you're white and bring in large bags of money, or are sponsored by someone who is.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 08:14

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

loving lol, that apartheid under capitalism can't even pay the stormtroopers.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2022 05:24

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

I can't wait until 'defund the police' actually happens under the hard right because they genuinely believe in not paying people. At least the police are legally allowed to plunder and pillage.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2022 08:09

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

PeterCat posted:

Here is a guide to the Title 42 removals. Title 42 is the section of the US health code that allows the Customs and Border Protections to bar from entry or remove anyone that is a high risk of carrying a communicable disease.

One thing that stands out to me is the following:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/guide-title-42-expulsions-border

The removals were started under President Trump as a way to stop and deter the flow of migrants coming across the border and the Biden administration continues to use this process in the same manner.

In other news the Florida legislature is passing anti-immigration bills that will have little practical effect.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/immigration-bill-gets-backing-in-house

The "Open stream" rhetoric is what gets me. The Federal Government has put 3000 National Guardsmen at the border, in addition to the normal CBP agents. They are both actively patrolling the border looking for migrants, and as shown above a majority of those crossing over are removed from the country. So it's that old thing of the Democratic Administration doing what the Republicans are ostensibly for while the Republicans still carry on with the idea that the Democrats have completely opened the border and registering everyone who arrives as a Democratic voter.

It's not consistent with reality and the scary part is that there are members of the NG and the CBP on the border who are involved in catching and processing migrants who believe what Fox News tells them rather than what they actually learn at work.

They know exactly what they're doing. It's the same working the refs that they've been doing for decades, screaming that the Demmicrats are being muslim obammunists letting in the browns to shoot all the jobs so Democrats pointlessly try to appease them with horrible fascist policies their own voters hate, and then wonder why the Republican tune remains exactly the same, obviously we weren't racist enough and need to be more.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2022 06:30

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 14:39

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

A lot of these people genuinely believe that welfare lets people live entirely idle lives and that minorities can somehow access more and better welfare than white people, and will not be swayed from this no matter how much evidence you show them. While also complaining the immigrants are stealing all their jobs.

# ¿ May 25, 2022 05:08

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