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sexpig by night posted:yea it feels like even if the 'well Border Patrol is fascist and wants to make Biden look bad by lying to Fox' poo poo is right the way to fight that would be, ya know, letting journalists and lawyers into the camp to report on what's going on. that would require conditions being materially different than they were six months ago e: right now, libs can ignore it because there aren't pictures and exposees. they can point to all the things the administration insists they want to do, is planning to do, and is being prevented from doing, and say "finally we are back to normal". And it's working spectacularly because by all accounts conditions in the concentration camps are as bad as ever, yet you hardly hear a peep about the issue. Except for when, say, people try to bring all this up and liberals use tone policing and gaslighting to avoid confronting the fact that their objection to concentration camps on US soil was primarily motivated by sports team politics Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He could just be transparent about it taking a while to fix just like with COVID or pretty much anything else inherited from Trump. Show us what's wrong, tell us what he's doing to fix it, or what's stopping him from fixing it the way he thinks it should be fixed. Keeping press out is a bad look. Biden was in the white house when a whole lot of the broad strokes of current policy were put in place. His administration is actively hostile to anyone outside ice/cbp putting eyes on any of the material conditions they are imposing on these folks. His brand spankin new DHS secretary is asking for more funding for the fascist paramilitary that continues to enforce these policies (and continues to assault and poison protestors in portland to boot). If there is just one cautionary lesson we all should have learned from the Trump years, it's this: When people tell you who they are, listen.
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Insanite posted:Absolutely. Have brutal, rebellious border and immigration agents? Don't gag them--fire them, dissolve their organizations, and prosecute them. what --and i mean this sincerely-- makes you think any of this is even possible under our current system? crimes that materially benefit the rich are de facto not crimes.
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Insanite posted:Where did I say these things were possible? I misunderstood then!
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Owlspiracy posted:actually I'll just do it for you: the immigration apparatus that trump helped construct was so monstrously evil that biden has a moral responsibility to get rid of it, even if it means violating labor norms and federal employee protections, particularly because most of these immigrants are fleeing disastrous conditions largely created by the us in the first place. i recognize that this might create a dangerous precedent that later republican presidents can abuse, but the immediacy and extent of the current crisis justifies this action. i agree with this, and also have zero expectation that biden will act on that moral responsibility. biden's only concern right now is to get reelected, like all first term presidents. firing trump's appointees is difficult to clearly understand and therefore easy to spin, it's tit for tat in a way that non-party-affiliated "moderates" turn their nose up to, and the benefit is slim to none because liberals will never notice or give a poo poo, meaning his political capital with his base will be unaffected. the morality of his actions and the consequences they have on marginalized people never enters the equation. this would very likely be the same action taken by any of the democratic primary candidates, including bernie. e: and, to be clear, that does not in any way make it any less hosed up and reprehensible, nor any less worthy of criticism and scorn Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 12, 2021 |
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Ok, but you understand that liberal politicians have been telling marginalized people to be grateful for the bones they're being thrown for sixty years, right? You can understand how telling them to wait because the powerful are working as fast as they care to rings hollow, right?
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BougieBitch posted:I mean, if nothing else, the rallying cry at the end of March was that Biden was keeping too many people in the overcrowded CBP facilities, and that is objectively no longer happening - and progress was already being made on that front before the end of April: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/politics/border-patrol-unaccompanied-minors/index.html they're now in overcrowded HHS facilities. which, yeah, HHS has child welfare people on staff and isn't a white supremacist paramilitary, but "we're not cramming as many kids into cattle pens staffed by an agency that hires child molesters" isn't exactly praiseworthy. it sure as poo poo doesn't absolve them of criticism, especially with reports emerging that the HHS facilities aren't as great as HHS and the admin have been telling us: https://mobile.twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1391039711507099654
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Sarcastr0 posted:If you are going to demand solutions, and then not believe it when people tell you those solutions are forthcoming, you are demanding the impossible. it's intellectually dishonest to disregard sixty years of precedent telling you "expect half measures and don't believe anything til you see it."
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Slow News Day posted:The proof you are asking for has already been provided in the form of extensive lists, written not by advocates or activists or journalists who heard stuff from volunteers or whatever, but by actual immigration lawyers and legal experts who know both the immigration system and the workings of government inside out. These articles have described in detail the positive effects of Biden’s immigration actions to date, as well as areas in which the administration has fallen short. In other words, they have provided an objective and balanced view of what is reasonable and realistic to expect from the executive branch, what has been done and what still needs to be done. you're being condescending and dismissive about whistleblowing from people on the ground in an hhs facility, and his "weird diatribe" is actually a great breakdown of why a reasonable person may not give this admin the benefit of the doubt.. you seem more invested in winning at posting than communicating.
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Fritz the Horse posted:"It's intellectually dishonest" I say as I make sweepingly reductionist generalizations about sixty years of politics in order to short-circuit any discussion of the specific policies at hand. that's not what i said. calm down Slow News Day posted:Contrary to what you may believe, there is no winning or losing at posting. that's not what i believe, nor did i say it was. Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 08:29 on May 14, 2021 |
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Judakel posted:Technically, all concentration camps are temporary housing and processing facilities. I think "dispersing people is the opposite purpose of a concentration camp" is a reasonable basis to not call them concentration camps. I also think that "we're housing a racial underclass in inhumane conditions, but for less time than the overt fascists were, and trust us, it's for good reasons. requests to verify our claims will be denied" is also cold comfort and a reasonable basis to explicitly draw a link between ICE camps and HHS ones by use of the term.
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Is it unrealistically pessimistic to see this lawsuit as a duel between the following ideologies: We just killed a million people and: neolibs: We have to replace them with immigrants asap before the dip in labor supply raises wages and working conditions conservatives: tons of em were nonwhite and replacing them with more nonwhites will be one step forward two steps back
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i mean, how many degrees of temperature rise will it take before most of north america's arable farming is being done in canada and alaska? the US annexing Canada seems entirely possible.
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