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Owlofcreamcheese posted:There is plenty of hot takes you can still be making if you really must, but it feels hard to believe anyone in 2018 is still trying to beat the "both parties are the same" drum. Neither is socialist so...
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I really want to tell my personal story here Back in may of 2017, I was ordered to vote for the lesser evil in the presidential election of my country. The choice was simple: vote for Macron even if you think he's evil, because Le Pen is literally the Devil. In the 9 months since his election, Macron managed to be so comically evil that I've regretted it really hard. - He has passed several laws and a budget that literally benefit only a tiny fraction of the population, at the expense of many people, including a bunch of my former colleagues and my aunt (my aunt is retired and earns about 1200 euros every month, and 40 of these euros have vanished since January). The fucker is about to lay waste to the public hospital sector. It is ghastly. - He has worsened the living conditions of refugees and migrants in the country. The police literally slashes their tents, poisons their water with tear gas, and breaks up food distribution lines. In the middle of the loving winter. The subsidies of charities who help migrants are severely cut. Literally 100% (and I'm not exaggerating here) of the people who work at the National Court for the Right of Asylum have gone on strike to protest against the immigration law the government is preparing. - He is keeping in his government a dude who, by his own admission, has traded sexual favors with a woman in exchange for an intervention on her criminal record. A promise which, by the way, was a lie. So gently caress anyone who defends voting for the "lesser evil".
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Feb 13, 2018 22:30
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I really want to highlight something important here: The FN, the Devil party, the one that was so horribly evil that it was a Moral Imperative to vote against them, actually supports what the Minister of the Interior (and to a lesser extent, the Minister of Education) is doing in re: migrants.
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Feb 13, 2018 22:35
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awesmoe posted:are you arguing that le pen would have been better? I'm arguing that the reason we hate Le Pen and would never in a million year vote for Le Pen is not because her name is Le Pen and her party is the Front National, but because her and her party's ideology is odious and reprehensible and gross and her opponent, who was painted as the last bastion against fascism, is literally turning whole sections of her ideology into public policy while still telling you that she is odious and reprehensible and gross So gently caress him and gently caress her. I ain't ever voting for any more devils. The next time I'm faced with a choice like this I'll literally poo poo in the envelope and put it in the ballot box, then document it and post it here. 
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Feb 14, 2018 00:01
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Condiv posted:how do you explain lrem shifting right when the right hadn't won recently? hint: it's because it was right wing itself
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Feb 14, 2018 08:08
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Basically I think we’ll all agree that a system that forces you to choose between two evils is evil in itself and ought to be entirely destroyed, to be replaced with a system that has safeguards against evil ever being a choice. Fascist, racist and other demonstrably noxious parties should be barred from ever running in elections. They should also be disbanded and their members put in prison.
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Feb 14, 2018 11:50
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Once the rivals of our political party are safely in jail, only then will we be free from facism. Try again, but next time don’t be an apologist for fascists. I’d rather have to put all the fascists in prison rather than have to kill them all when they eventually ruin my continent through war, like they’ve already done in the past.
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Feb 14, 2018 14:39
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I mean fascism is antithetical to democracy so the notion that they should be allowed to participate in elections is absurd on its face.
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Feb 14, 2018 14:43
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Baron Porkface posted:Is it or is it not evil to provide Obamacare benefits to the people who need them to live? No, but it is evil that Obamacare provides so little for so much, in order to feed the greedy maw of a bunch of billionaires.
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Feb 14, 2018 22:36
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I’m sorry for you that you are evil, Baron Porkface. That must be a hard information to assimilate and accept.
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Feb 15, 2018 07:55
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah right, they mostly turn out for smugly telling you they didn't vote and for rushing into every conversation they can find to parrot every republican fox news talking point they can manage to sand down enough to pretend they are saying it because they are actually so woke and leftist You live in a strange strange world I defy you to actually provide any significant example of a leftist parroting a republican fox news talking point
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Feb 15, 2018 13:42
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Provide me with any significant proof that people that take up the "leftist" label as an excuse to spam the same few slogans to every thread on every website are actually meaningfully particularly "leftist" or any more actually progressive than people that don't do that. Hello, my name is Fred, I’m 29, I’m an active leftist militant who campaigned for a leftist candidate in the elections in my country. The platform I defended is significantly more progressive than anything the Democratic Party has ever dreamt of, but that’s not really hard. You can google it, it is called L’Avenir en Commun, and if you’re afraid you won’t understand it there’s also a comic book version, the images should help. I am a proud leftist, and the Democratic Party is utter trash and a den of rightwing plutocrats who are ready to sell mother, father and more importantly every single one of their so-called principles in order to have their name on a bill and to look like the adult in the room - as shown by the latest immigration reform travesty. Now, your turn. Show me examples of what I asked you.
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Feb 15, 2018 14:45
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The blame lies squarely on Benoît Hamon's shoulders. Like, literally 100% of the blame. Neurolimal you don't seem to be as informed about the situation as you think you are.
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Mar 3, 2018 23:44
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fishmech posted:Wow, sounds like the left should have united in the first round instead of doing the typical squabbling which allowed Macron and Le Pen be the two choices in the second round. I guess that would have required a bunch of people to have voted for a "lesser evil" instead of their preferred candidate though, boo hoo hoo. You're wrong.
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Mar 3, 2018 23:45
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Condiv posted:i just learned that the meager raise i've been working towards for 4 years has been cancelled thanks to the "lesser" evil, macron. thanks macron, i'm sure that will help motivate non-nazis to vote for you. Huh, what did the fucker do?
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Mar 15, 2018 19:53
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Condiv posted:apparently halted raises for public workers, or at least people in the cnrs. Oh right. Yeah, that's been the norm for the past ten years, unfortunately. I'll be going on strike on the 22nd against that, and many other things that are going to poo poo in the public sector
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Mar 15, 2018 22:16
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Since Macron was invoked earlier in the discussion I’d like to inform the people who would have leftists vote for him or his ilk against a fascist like Le Pen and her Front National that his latest immigration bill was so fascist that the Front National supported it and voted for it in parliament. So kindly go gently caress yourselves!
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May 1, 2018 08:57
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Frankly if at this point in history you are not voting for a communist candidate your values are poo poo, your ideology is poo poo, and it’s hella likely that you are poo poo too. This especially goes if you’re actively arguing against voting for communists and fighting people who have.
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May 1, 2018 21:13
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Jaxyon posted:Loving people trying to reference letters from a birmingham jail by Martin "Voting is the foundation stone for political action." Luther King Jr to explain why not voting is actually the wokest course of action. Actually voting for communists is the wokest course of action. Voting for a liberal? Feh.
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May 1, 2018 21:42
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Perhaps if all the people who gripe and whine because they hate voting for democrats because democrats are actually right-wing pieces of garbage but still vote for democrats because they’re the lesser evil instead voted for communists, they’d get the leftist policies they want Not voting for communists is the best way to ensure non-leftist policies though
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May 2, 2018 06:03
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Maybe - just maybe - it is simply impossible to fight alienation using alienated means? Elections are the bourgeoisie's tool to get the proletariat's "assent" to their theiving, so maybe they should be eschewed in favor of a violent uprising of the working class, who would hang the capital owners and cut off the heads of the priests? I dunno, just offering a couple suggestions here.
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May 17, 2018 19:20
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