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The Strangest Finch
Nov 23, 2007

Oh good choice! Rebels might still be in a rough spot competitively, however Echo Base Defenders lists are I think some of the best you can do.

Look up the Echo Base Defenders battle force rules and you'll probably be in good shape (there are unit limits to qualify for the battle force command cards). More generally, Han and Chewie are super fun to play together and have a ton of fun command cards all there own.

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hoiyes
May 17, 2007
New points update just happened so lists are probably in a state of flux right now. Also, there might be some further errata coming in too.

Edit: Cassian, commander Luke, rebel Mandalorians and the Landspeer all looking pretty spicy

The Strangest Finch
Nov 23, 2007

Also: The Summer Points update just dropped.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ce432b1f9d2be000134d8ae/t/647e575526cca663f0b78f7f/1686001496766/2023+Summer+Points+Update..pdf

I'm looking forward to getting more use out of Clan Wren in the near future. My first experience playing an Ahsoka / Sabine list was super positive and a few more points for upgrades should only improve that I think.

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.


It was nice to the see the Landspeeder come down in points too, it was good but still too expensive once it was fully tooled out.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Also some minor but very important errata:
-Choke now can't target individual minis, rip
-Op Vader out of blizzard force
-Cant Guardian unstoppable units (ie Dark Troopers)
-Slight rules cleanup to make clear you don't promote immediately with a solo field commander list, actual rules for Jar'Kai that work the way you'd expect, pivoting a disabled vehicle is now only 1 action

In short:

801/800 (10 activations)
Darth Vader (Burst of Speed, Saber Throw, Force Push)
Imperial Officer
2× Stormtroopers (RT-97C Stormtrooper, DLT-19 Stormtrooper)
2× Snowtroopers
4× 74-Z Speeder Bikes

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Bright Tree Village Battleforce news:

Leia's command card "Brains and Brawn" works with Chewbacca in the ATST.

By rules his contribution doesn't even break Incognito.

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.


Owlbear Camus posted:

Bright Tree Village Battleforce news:

Leia's command card "Brains and Brawn" works with Chewbacca in the ATST.

By rules his contribution doesn't even break Incognito.

Oh dang

Lotta competition for command cards in Bright Tree tho

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Just had a great time at the Indy Open, went 3-2 with a Rebel list. Some wild lists in the top 8- winner was triple Rebel Mandos, #4 had Grevious, #7 was obi/ani

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
Are Pagani and Plummer and all those former PP people still involved with this game?

I only recently discovered this. My son (10) got into Clone Wars stuff and I'm interested in Warhammer. This seemed like a cool way to get him into wargames. I picked up a starter and some of the Darth Maul faction. My son is interested in the Clone faction and I like the Darth Maul stuff.

Can Darth Maul be played with the battle droids? I admit to not really knowing much of the clone wars factional politics.

Any specific pieces we should pick up?

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

GreenMarine posted:

Are Pagani and Plummer and all those former PP people still involved with this game?

Can Darth Maul be played with the battle droids? I admit to not really knowing much of the clone wars factional politics.

Any specific pieces we should pick up?

Yes

Not the one that comes in the shadow collective starter, there’s a different version of Maul that can be played with the droids.

There aren’t a lot of shadow collective units, it’s mostly what comes in the starter set and a couple other things. I’d maybe get the speeder truck bus looking thing if you want a vehicle for them. For clones I’d look into the different leaders and pick one you like.

Edit: sorry rereading I’m not sure which starter you got, if it’s the one with droids then I’d recommend doing the same thing as with clones and grab some different leaders or character models you like before buying the like 5 other b1 units you’ll eventually want

long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jun 23, 2023

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

Edit: sorry rereading I’m not sure which starter you got, if it’s the one with droids then I’d recommend doing the same thing as with clones and grab some different leaders or character models you like before buying the like 5 other b1 units you’ll eventually want

I got the Clone Wars starter with the clones and the droids. What's a standard game's point size? (I'll read the manual tonight.)

Can you do non-lore correct stuff and have Clone Wars era armies fight New Hope era armies?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

GreenMarine posted:

I got the Clone Wars starter with the clones and the droids. What's a standard game's point size? (I'll read the manual tonight.)

Can you do non-lore correct stuff and have Clone Wars era armies fight New Hope era armies?

800 points is standard and you can absolutely have Rebels fight Separatists or whatever your fancy.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah an individual army has to be in the same faction (though nothing stops you from taking Cassian and Luke in Rebel lists) but any army can fight any army. If you're okay dropping some cash up front the battle force boxes are good second picks for both factions- the CIS one gets you more b1s and some additional units, the clone one gets you more corps and lots of special forces. The specialist pack for a generic commander is also a good cheap buy. Then from there grab whatever looks fun and might fit in a list you want.

And yeah Maul is available to the Separatist droid armies, and there's also another version of him that runs a non-faction mercenary theme force.

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
This is sweet. I spent a bunch of time reading about various units and such. The amount of options seems exhaustive and covers quite a lot of lore. I was surprised they had dark troopers! I remember those guys from Dark Forces back in the day. (Edit: seems they are in the Mandalorian? I guess I need to catch up on Star Wars shows.)

Gumdrop Larry
Jul 30, 2006

I like to perceive them as a Dark Forces thing. My one and only silly EU pipe dream remains them making Kyle Katarn.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Has there been any discussion about adding units to the shadow collective faction? Or have they essentially said there not adding to any of the battle force sets?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Shadow Collective isn't intended to be a full faction, just a specific theme list incorporating generic mercs and some unique units. I could see them adding a few units here or there but wouldn't expect major changes.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

StashAugustine posted:

Shadow Collective isn't intended to be a full faction, just a specific theme list incorporating generic mercs and some unique units. I could see them adding a few units here or there but wouldn't expect major changes.

drat, yeah thats what I thought. I hadn't read too much into battle force and all that got released beyond shadow collective... But messing around with some list builders it looked as if ewoks were going into the merc pool, alas I was quite wrong.


Suppose I'll just keep funneling all my money into my empire army.

Braggo
Jul 26, 2005
Had my first round of an escalation league yesterday.

Leia and the Echo Base Defenders



took on Gar Saxon and some mandos backed up by a few units of Black Sun Enforcers.



We played key positions. I think he was kind of screwed by a piece of terrain on his side of the board stretching into his deployment zone so he said he couldn't put his objective there. This was my first game and he said he hasn't played much either so maybe this shouldn't have happened? Either way, I was able to push up to the middle ahead of my opponent and hunker down there with some veterans and Leia (who dropped back to my home objective at the end) while running tauntauns over to his objective to harass him from that side as well.

Someone else who was at the shop let him know he couldn't get the courage bonus from Gar Saxon for his BSE so I was able to focus on them to drop their actions down. It was great and I'm looking forward to adding to my force. Thinking about adding another Mk 2 emplacement trooper and another unit of tauntauns to bring me up to ~500pts.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Nice, sounds like a fun game! Tauns are a great harassment unit. That panic on the black suns is correct but a more experienced player will usually counteract it (take a vigo either as it's own unit or an upgrade). The board does look a little sparse (that center looks like a killing field) and once you get more experience it's nice to sanity check the terrain to make sure no deployments will just get screwed. Having a fair amount of little pieces is nice just to make sure there's something of a fallback.

Braggo
Jul 26, 2005

StashAugustine posted:

Nice, sounds like a fun game! Tauns are a great harassment unit. That panic on the black suns is correct but a more experienced player will usually counteract it (take a vigo either as it's own unit or an upgrade). The board does look a little sparse (that center looks like a killing field) and once you get more experience it's nice to sanity check the terrain to make sure no deployments will just get screwed. Having a fair amount of little pieces is nice just to make sure there's something of a fallback.

We counted the middle one as light cover but I didn't really know how much terrain there should be and I guess he didn't really either. We were playing on a smaller 3x3 board for the lower point round but apparently this was one of the rare occasions there was no one playing Legion on a Sunday afternoon when we were setting up so hopefully there will be more folks around next time.

I was planning on getting Chewy in my list at some point but I was originally thinking a second unit of tauns would be where I wanted to go next but maybe adding Chewy now would be better? Also, if I have 24pts left before getting to 500 is there one of the unit add ons to vets that would be better than the others? I'm looking at a med droid, rebel officer or another vet.

edit: Actually realized I can drop Strict Orders and fit another heavy vet in. Here's what I'm currently thinking.

Braggo fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jul 10, 2023

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Alright, got my ewoks today. So what's the deal with weapon options? Heard it wasn't WYSIWYG like in 40k but also not really?

I'm gonna complain about the lack of instructions in here too. They already included a piece of paper with a QR code, :confused:

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Yeah they don’t include instructions in anything anymore, it sucks

smug jeebus
Oct 26, 2008

Chill la Chill posted:

Heard it wasn't WYSIWYG like in 40k but also not really?
It's not an issue for most units because they usually give you enough troops to fill out all of the options, but it looks like you need to decide whether the ewoks are built with spears or slings? Probably want to ask your local scene how strict they feel about it.

Gumdrop Larry
Jul 30, 2006

All that's ever really mattered is the cards/list you put forth in conjunction with clarifying the specific meaningful individuals within a unit. Typically this means just making it clear who's the leader and who's the heavy weapon/personnel model. Usually those important models are distinct and clearly represented by the sculpt. You can sit "skirmishers" on the table that are holding slings as long as you say what they are via your list and you're clearly representing your leader and axe ewok if you added one.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I hate to say it but officially speaking, it was ruled previously that wookiees with swords and with guns were separate units and you're technically not allowed to proxy one for the other. Won't matter in casual play but might be a problem if you ever do organized play

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


OK thanks for the heads up. I think for the first couple boxes it won't be a problem since I assume I'll need one of each anyway. It's afterwards that's going to be the problem. At least the rebel troopers/commandos being allowed means less upfront cost but eventually you'd want to represent a "real" force org which should be minority rebels and majority ewoks.

I assume people use the extra upgrade models (like the trapper/axe) and modify them to bulk up/create new units without having to buy more boxes?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Idk if that really works for ewoks, since the spear and sling units take up different slots in the force org it's theoretically possible you could run 9 boxes at once. Most boxes have enough models to run all possible options, it's just that ewoks (as well as wookiees) are effectively two different units in a single box

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Please run 9 ewok boxes into my 3 AT-STs :getin:

Gumdrop Larry
Jul 30, 2006

Good to know about the technical ruling of modeling and unit representation. I've only ever really been uncertain about in real life about the legality of plopping down operative Vader or Luke and calling them the commander version or vice versa. The Legion community at large seems to almost never give a poo poo about alternate sculpts or customization so I've been lucky to have never seen conflict over it.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Gumdrop Larry posted:

Good to know about the technical ruling of modeling and unit representation. I've only ever really been uncertain about in real life about the legality of plopping down operative Vader or Luke and calling them the commander version or vice versa. The Legion community at large seems to almost never give a poo poo about alternate sculpts or customization so I've been lucky to have never seen conflict over it.

Yeah in casual play it's whatever as long as it's not confusing. I think Luke and Vader are technically supposed to be the "proper" models, but in cases like that or 3d print proxies the usual advice for organized play is to bring both and clear it with your opponent (they'll usually say yes)

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


StashAugustine posted:

Idk if that really works for ewoks, since the spear and sling units take up different slots in the force org it's theoretically possible you could run 9 boxes at once. Most boxes have enough models to run all possible options, it's just that ewoks (as well as wookiees) are effectively two different units in a single box

Yeah I just mean that effectively, let's say you have 5 boxes of ewoks. So that'll be 5 trappers and 5 axe wielders that you might not use for all of your units. You could then use those extra minis to make a 6th squad, right? Would just need to make a copy of the stat card.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Official organized play rules say not unless they're modified somehow (ie giving spears or slings to the models), which would mean you couldn't use the models if you did want to run 5 axes at once.* Ofc while you're just buying in and playing casually do whatever, but if you go to an organized event they might take exception to it.

*You will see some people do just that with wookiees, but that's because both kinds of wookiee are in the same force org slot, so you'll never need more than 3 of each heavy even theoretically.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Assembling my ATST and Ewoks and it's a dream, very minor mold lines and I just use sanding sticks for the plates and light usage of the knife. And half the plates that have mold lines are covered by other pieces. Much different experience from GW minis (skinks, so made within the last year) which I've also done recently. Funny how if a company gives a drat they can make some nice minis right out of the box.

I actually have more problems with the gap filling and they're also minor and don't require some of the awful clamping I needed to do with GW minis.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



no you see it's not just a game it's a hobby. it would go better if you buy citadel branded greenstuff and files.

radlum
May 13, 2013
I’ve been out of the game for a while; how are Rebels list now? Are Ahsoka, Ewoks and Boba Fett worth getting?

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



I haven’t played Ahsoka yet, but I’ve heard good things from friends who have played her.

When I get back to a place I can play, I plan on running some Mandalorian madness with Karson Teeva a generic officer, Boba, Din, and as many other random Mandos as I can stuff in.

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.


radlum posted:

I’ve been out of the game for a while; how are Rebels list now? Are Ahsoka, Ewoks and Boba Fett worth getting?

Ewoks are pretty solid, they can play objectives really well if you know what you're doing.

Ashoka beats out OpLuke for our Jedi of choice, and supports her army really well. She pairs well with Cassian and K2, and that's probably the core of one of the better rebel lists atm. White saves are still a struggle though.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



I’ve had Asajj for a while, but didn’t have any way to play any games until this week. I ran her alongside a horde of droids, and she went to work :stare:

Taking the option from her 3-pip to give her demoralize 1, then giving her Fear on top of that, then her 1-pip that has the suppressive melee/R1 attack…good god. She murdered one clone squad outright, sent another into panic spiral (dumping 4 suppression on them in a single turn), killed a wounded ATRT, then finished off an already-wounded Yoda too.

Played a skirmish game with her too, where I took her Bounty option instead. She threw a saber into the enemy clone commander to net the bounty, and we had Elimination as the mission. I still lost 6-4, but Asajj accounted for 3/4 of my VPs on that one kill alone.

She’s a monster, and I’ve got a list with her and Bane I want to try out today :getin:

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Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Icon Of Sin posted:

I’ve had Asajj for a while, but didn’t have any way to play any games until this week. I ran her alongside a horde of droids, and she went to work :stare:

A Ventris army is very tempting.

I'd theme the army around the first ep of Clone Wars:

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