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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Hey I've been kinda interested in this for a while and now that I'm stuck in the house all day, would anyone be interested in playing on tabletop sim?

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I only play supercasually but when are the clone/droid generic commanders supposed to be out? Maximum Droids sounds like a fun list but all their commanders are super expensive.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Actually if a character is depicted on screen in a certain way that means that every member of their species and organization is the exact same

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Armada just introduced a pass token system- at start of game get X passes where X is difference in activations (one less if you're first player) and you can permanently burn one to pass an activation with restrictions (not the very first activation of a turn, not consecutively, not if you have more/same inactivated units as last/first player). It's still very new and lists tend to be much smaller in activations (usually 3-6) so who knows how it'll work out or how it would fit into Legion

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Aw does that mean we're not geting a proper gunship for the Republic :smith:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Hey ive recently started miniature painting and was considering collecting some Legion stuff. My big problem there is idk if I want to pick up that much terrain; and from what I've seen it's pretty important to the game. Can you make do with flat area terrain (including pretending it blocks LOS) or does it just not work?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.







Just got a core set and painted up my first batch of Rebels!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Signal posted:

Those look good, but you should definitely invest in some matte varnish. A flatter finish would make them look even better.

Cool thanks, just got that advice from someone else too lol. Anything in particular about what to get or how to apply it?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.



Got my first Legion army completed painting :toot:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Fleets are good but usually not more than 2. One with a shotgun can be good as a one-off close assault unit (with an officer if you feel generous) or as truck payload. Naked fleets are also decent activation padding, troopers will hit at range 3 but fleets with a standby can be really effective for how cheap they are at holding something in the backfield. I haven't had the chance to use the truck yet but some people have been experimenting with fleets plus an extra body and/or concussion grenades as a dirt cheap payload.

Also if you do wanna go gunline, rebel troopers with the DLT, captain, and situational awareness backed by Vigilance can be really effective, they're difficult to remove and hit hard while having suppression mitigation. Stacking dodges or having Chewie makes them even tougher.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Empire are basically clones but worse- they've got simarily beefy corps and big vehicles but they're not as strong as their GAR equivalents, though they are cheaper. Rebels are kinda like elves yeah, they've got some defensive tricks but if they get slapped hard they melt. They've also probably got the most diversity in their roster- they can run infantry gunline, hero spam, light armor, heavy melee, and elite SF in a bunch of different varieties, though usually they're not going to be the best at it.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Magna Guard and Super Tactical Droid have been teased- I'm pretty sure they showed a Magna Guard model. The super tac is supposedly going to have multiple variants to represent various named characters but we don't have a lot of details

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Owlbear Camus posted:

yoda's command cards seem a bit much

I will make fun of FFG for constantly making clones ludicrously good right up until they release Mace and I stop caring

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

I want to give a full unit of ARCs Relentless pretty bad

Then hit them with Guidance so they move+aim+shoot again

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

It seems weird to outright kill it since both Legion and XWing are good moneymaker but I do worry about incomptetence

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Owlbear Camus posted:

https://twitter.com/TheGr8Aspie/status/1435129972927123457

This bastard sucked to put together and if you just want to get it on the table I recommend compartment doors closed and just rattlecan the inside of the canopy black and ignore the cockpit. Lots of fiddly details that are literally impossible to see once it's assembled.

ive done one truck and kinda same, it's fun to paint but it just takes so loving long. got another one on the sprue and don't really have the motivation to put it together

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah airspeeders are very good and trucks are great transport/support that may have a gun tacked on, the landspeeder is second tier but usable; AATs are nutty good and the Saber is also good but needs support in an already expensive faction, the LAAT is okay as a Vader delivery option but not great in clones since they don't have as good a payload and again points are stretched, the ATST and the GAV are kinda behind the curve

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Sounds like they're adding a mercenary faction that can also be integrated with existing factions

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Icon Of Sin posted:

Hondo is a friend to all for the right price!

Dooku holds such a grudge, though

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

where are the Bothans

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Arcs unfortunately just got nerfed into the ground. Mandalorians are Rebel only but they're pretty good (and supposedly they're getting some sort of cross faction mercs next year); all factions have access to at least one Jedi (and usually only run one a list). In terms of core sets, you definitely need one and two is kinda helpful for having extras of some stuff; but 3 is only for seppies and maybe Imperials, and that can be delayed. Things to consider would be, do you have people to play with, and are you gonna run the standard 800 point game (which is generally 10 units, plus or minus) or the 500 point skirmish (usually only 6 or so)? Rebels are in a good place right now; Republic is kind of a mess but Anakin and Yoda (and to a lesser extend Obi-Wan) are strong

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Icon Of Sin posted:

ARC troopers, Anakin, and Obi Wan (with Yoda coming soon).

The choice is clear :colbert:

e: wait how did ARCs get nerfed?

The most recent rules update (a month or so ago) cut critical 1 on their heavy and restricted clone troopers to sharing one token per attack, without cutting their points. Echo is still okay but pure clone lists aren't super great right now and they're a bit pricey to go with other stuff.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I had a game against Palp once where my opponent completely forgot I had Change of Plans until he played ANYWD turn 6

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Luke/Sabine/3 mandos is an awful lot of points and mandos generally prefer to skirmish- plus Sabine really likes having a commander that can take Vigilance. I'm not the biggest fan of Rebel veterans but they're irl cost effective since they come with both the troopers and an emplacement so you get two units for the price of one; I'd probably pick up a box of Rebel specialists for the generic officer as well. 2x vets/turrets, Sabine, officer, clan wren and 2 generic mandos is a pretty decent list. You might also want Lando, he comes with the excellent Vigilance upgrade and pairs well with Sabine and a lot of other heroes, including Luke.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Commander Luke isn't super great but he's a good fit for Cassian. (Operative Luke is fantastic but he's a separate purchase)

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797/800 (9 activations)
Commanders:
 - Cassian Andor (90): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), A280-CFE Config (10) = 108
 - Luke Skywalker (160): Force Push (10), Jedi Mind Trick (5), Emergency Stims (8) = 183
Operative:
 - K-2SO (70): Jyn's SE-14 Blaster (10) = 80
Corps:
 - 2× Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20) = 120
 - Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20), Medical Droid (18) = 78
Special Forces:
 - 2× Commando Strike Team (20): DH-447 Sniper (28) = 96
 - Clan Wren (34): Tristan Wren (38), Ursa Wren (38), Offensive Push (4), HQ Uplink (10), Jetpack Rockets (8) = 132

Commands: • Son of Skywalker, • Crack Shot, •• My Ally is the Force, •• Last Stand, ••• Return of the Jedi, ••• Volunteer Mission, •••• Standing Orders

Something like this is basically the same stuff as listed above, technically you'd need a second box of commandos but you cam proxy pretty easily.

E: whoops that's only 9 activations and you probably want 10, so maybe toss in another box of troopers. (A second core set probably isnt a bad idea if you're splitting it, since both of you will need the cards, tokens, etc)

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Nov 18, 2021

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

There's three main brands people use. Army Painter makes the official Legion stuff, I've only used their primers but I know some people say they're lower quality. I use Vallejo most of the time, it's cheap and I like the more muted WW2 colors. Citadel/Games Workshop is the most expensive but their stuff is pretty good, though their pots suck. Citadel is usually carried in stores ime, and right now Vallejo seems to be having trouble with shipping. In general you'll need not only the base paints but also primer (usually spray on) to form a bottom layer, and probably washes (very thin, almost watery paints) to provide easy shading. Varnish is also good for protecting the mini (matte usually but maybe gloss for the shiny armor.)

For Imperials you can kinda get away with just white, black, red, grey and a bit of skin tone for most stuff, I usually buy stuff piecemeal as I need it. The trickiest thing is painting white since it's hard to apply and easy to mess up. Personally what I do for storms is prime them in white and give them a thinned coat of apocathary white contrast paint (a new line from Citadel that's basically base and wash in one), which gives you a clean white look with grey shading.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah I did a bunch of kitbashing with the rebel troopers but all that really matters is that somebody's got the long rifle and somebody's got the shotgun. I usually like to give them as well as the specialist and leader minis slightly different coloring as well

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Nice and hot piss posted:

Anyone have good recommendations of a solid commander/operative combination that doesn't absolutely destroy your point count for the galactic empire?
Going palpatine/vader is nearly half of your points allocation with two units, along with having imperial guards to stick close to palpatine to provide a bit of support for his fragile rear end, and vader being amazing in some ways, but not others. I'm fully aware that the imperial troops are some of, if not the most expensive units in the game but I feel like my units are so brittle in comparison to the theorycrafting I come up with in my head with the other factions.

My last round I rolled with palpatine and Boba Fett, which worked out super well given the mission was to sabotage the enemy's base, but getting more than 7 activations (had 8) required limiting a few of my units to being straight up barebone troopers. poo poo, if I wanted to go just as an imperial officer that's 45 points for a commander, albeit worthless in comparison to every other commander at my disposal.

I'm considering trying out Krennic and having Vader as my operative, allowing me to throw a bunch more fodder/beefed up troops to not get overwhelmed by a ton of enemies.

Palps and Vader are two of the most expensive heroes in the game so that's not surprising; they probably both work best on their own. Kallus works well with most other commanders with his contingencies, especially ones that have situational or weak command cards- he might fit with Vader though probably a bit less so now that Vader's cards got errata and are almost all very good. Bossk/Boba is popular, sometimes with Kallus as well. Veers is basically just paying a bit too much for an officer so he can fit anywhere, Krennic might also work with Vader purely for Deploy the Garrison.

vvv: it'll be fun the first time you catch someone out with a recon intel move-claim-move on the center box! I do feel like Iden/Vader might be a problem given that you've got 3 nutty 3-pips in there, and the one Iden brings also wants you to blow points on your special forces

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 30, 2021

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Icon Of Sin posted:

Krennic/Iden* sounds like it could be fun, at first glance.

*she can become an operative and gain infiltrate, alongside an inferno squad :getin:

yeah you can fit iden, krennic, inferno, deaths, 2 ISF and enough naked troopers to make 10 acts for your 4 SF tactical strike. i'm not sure it's a good idea but it's definitely a funny one

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I really hate painting stormtroopers since it's just getting a plain white surface (spray primer helps) and then doing a bunch of finicky details on the face which I inevitably gently caress up and make them look like clowns; and the paint scheme isn't even interesting visually or technically

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.



I did a whole unit of rebel troopers as Bajoran militia

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

If it helps your wallet, death troopers have okay poses but the most deadly boring color scheme in an already monochromatic faction

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

You'll definitely need a core set for the basic supplies, plus an alternate Vader and the rest of his cards. Snows are generally a one-off assault unit but you can do some gimmicks with them massed along with Vader. And yeah I've really been enjoying the painting/assembly though I havent done a lot of other games to compare

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Verisimilidude posted:

x-post from the min-painting thread!

Nice job! Wait til you get to storms lol, at least snows have some cloth and kit plus cooler poses. You can also try some offwhite/khaki for the cloth as well. I just did one unit of snows as mudtroopers

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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Yeah the big problem with snows is their heavies are very niche and not really good enough to make up for it. Flamer is decent but range 1 means you can't really mass it; the ion has to have recover actions mixed in- you can do some fun combos with Compel to move/shoot then recover- but even then it's a weak weapon. Putting Gideon in one as a complement to shoretroopers isn't an awful idea as long as youre getting mileage out of the coordinate

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

hm this is just goofing around on a list builder:

quote:

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774/800 (10 activations)
Commanders:
- Iden Versio (100): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2) = 106
- Imperial Officer (45): Vigilance (5), Electrobinoculars (8) = 58
Counterparts:
- ID10 (15): Comms Relay (5) = 20
Corps:
- Snowtroopers (44): Flametrooper (20) = 64
- 3× Stormtroopers (44): RT-97C Stormtrooper (24) = 204
Special Forces:
- Inferno Squad (34): Del Meeko (25), Gideon Hask (29), Offensive Push (4) = 92
- 2× Scout Troopers (48): Offensive Push (4) = 104
Heavy:
- LAAT Patrol Transport (105): Baron Rudor (8), High-Energy Shells (8), Linked Targeting Array (5) = 126

Commands: • Covert Observation, • Pulse Scan, •• Concussive Blast, •• Incapacitate, ••• Tactical Strike, ••• Coordinated Fire, •••• Standing Orders

got some range 4 storms and an officer for a base of fire, iden passes orders to the LAAT and inferno repairs it, cheapo scout troopers for tac strike

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I'd also look into skirmish lists, might be easier to hit a reasonable activation count there. Scouts are definitely a good option though- even full scouts are a fun gimmick right now

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Same with a teaching game over Christmas, especially because I got aggressive with Cassian turn 1 and was punished for my hubris. Skirmish objectives tend to come down to a bloodbath in the center a lot of the time.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Nice!

And yeah naked b2s are usually bad value but in skirmish they're kinda interesting. I personally hate them since I like rebel heroes that reliably do like 1-2 hits with pierce and b2s are basically immune to that.

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

B2s are very very good but they generally either like to have orders or a T-series which makes them quite expensive. You also lose out on some order chaining if that has implications for the rest of your list, and they're obviously quite a bit more expensive than b1s

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