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Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!
And the logistics of getting an invasion force over open ocean in an age with complete satellite surveillance intact preclude direct amphibious assault on the lower 48 states.

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Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Split Pea Superman posted:

The majority of people that die in a war are the people without weapons if you really think about it.

Lots of those people like in Syria aren't dying from door to door shooting so much as shelling and carpet bombings. Which of course are major factors in land wars.

HAM ON THE BONE
Aug 22, 2009


Pillbug

Split Pea Superman posted:

Be on good terms with someone who already has some? The same as it's always been.

poo poo, I'll go live with my insane pro-gun sister. She carries a purse with a gun compartment and she marched with her husband in our state capital while open carrying rifles :jerkbag:

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

There have been several maybe try reading a book op

Split Pea Superman
Dec 16, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Grape posted:

Lots of those people like in Syria aren't dying from door to door shooting so much as shelling and carpet bombings. Which of course are major factors in land wars.

Well yeah, but they gotta come down sometime. It's not like they're a one man show either.

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Tricky D posted:

And the logistics of getting an invasion force over open ocean in an age with complete satellite surveillance intact preclude direct amphibious assault on the lower 48 states.

nah, small subs can be masked as orcas, or whales.

just make a shiton of them.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

ive played call of duty 2 the drat russians invade america and you have to defend the burger and taco fast food places with predator drone missiles it rules

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Moonshine Rhyme posted:

We own guns to prevent the liberal totalitarian government from enforcing homosexuality upon us

Why would anyone want to prevent that

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Of course it's possible, there was one in 1861.

If you mean a foreign invasion, also possible, but much less likely

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

veiled boner fuel posted:

Why would anyone want to prevent that

It's only good if it's communist homosexuality

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Split Pea Superman posted:

Well yeah, but they gotta come down sometime. It's not like they're a one man show either.

Yes I'm certain they'll be quaking in their boots after turning whatever place they're targeting into a tattered starved out husk. Because there will still be some people in there, with guns.

Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!

Lime Tonics posted:

nah, small subs can be masked as orcas, or whales.

just make a shiton of them.

Our submarines run into orcas and whales all the time, so they'd still never get close.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

anglerfish posted:

My husband and I were watching CNN as they're getting ready for the students vs NRA lady debate. I said there's no reason for a private citizen to own an AR-15. He starts listing "semi-legitimate reasons" for people to own a gun. Such as: an invasion by a foreign enemy. The rest of the conversation went roughly like this:

:j: (Me) That's literally impossible
:haw: (Husband) The impossible can happen! Normandy was supposed to be impossible and the allies pushed Germany back.
:j: Ok cool, but like, the only borders we share are with Canada and Mexico, and then we have huge oceans between us and anyone else
:haw: There's a possibility if our opponent had the sheer numbers to overwhelm the coast.
:j: Lmao wtf we have motherfucking missiles that can go halfway around the world the ships would never make it
:haw: I'm just saying there's a possibilit--
:rant: Not in the modern era!!! There will never be a land war in the US. I will die on this hill.

I feel confident I'm right, but in truth I don't actually know jack poo poo about war and the military. So, I'm turning to the goon hive mind for insight -- is there a scenario in which a land war in the US could happen?

fake edit: ok, so turns out he was playing devil's advocate, but I was too high to understand. Nevertheless, please discuss.

You're correct. If we ever get to the point where the only thing preventing us from foreign invasion is a bunch of fat tacticool cosplayers we're definitely already hosed.

HAM ON THE BONE
Aug 22, 2009


Pillbug

g0lbez posted:

you thought your husband was just nonchalantly spouting nra talking points and you just kinda rolled with it? lol

At first I figured he must have a point and was taking an odd route to get there but I grew more incredulous and slightly horrified as the conversation went on lol.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

anglerfish posted:

My husband and I were watching CNN as they're getting ready for the students vs NRA lady debate. I said there's no reason for a private citizen to own an AR-15. He starts listing "semi-legitimate reasons" for people to own a gun. Such as: an invasion by a foreign enemy. The rest of the conversation went roughly like this:

:j: (Me) That's literally impossible
:haw: (Husband) The impossible can happen! Normandy was supposed to be impossible and the allies pushed Germany back.
:j: Ok cool, but like, the only borders we share are with Canada and Mexico, and then we have huge oceans between us and anyone else
:haw: There's a possibility if our opponent had the sheer numbers to overwhelm the coast.
:j: Lmao wtf we have motherfucking missiles that can go halfway around the world the ships would never make it
:haw: I'm just saying there's a possibilit--
:rant: Not in the modern era!!! There will never be a land war in the US. I will die on this hill.

I feel confident I'm right, but in truth I don't actually know jack poo poo about war and the military. So, I'm turning to the goon hive mind for insight -- is there a scenario in which a land war in the US could happen?

fake edit: ok, so turns out he was playing devil's advocate, but I was too high to understand. Nevertheless, please discuss.

What about civil wars smartass

Fallows
Jan 20, 2005

If he waits long enough he can use his accrued interest from his savings to bring his negative checking balance back into the black.

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

the coast guard does good work but they probably can't drive off a large scale sea invasion by themselves and lol at relying on the navy to do something right.

we just need to sail our naavy warships close to theirs and theyll inevitably accidently collide with them

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Grape posted:

Lots of those people like in Syria aren't dying from door to door shooting so much as shelling and carpet bombings. Which of course are major factors in land wars.

The most deaths are probably people being abducted by paramilitaries and then being tortured to death, their ravaged bodies dumped to make an example of them

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

anglerfish posted:

At first I figured he must have a point and was taking an odd route to get there but I grew more incredulous and slightly horrified as the conversation went on lol.

As long as the police and military have them that is reason enough for the populace to have them as well unless you like the idea of a complete police state

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
This is also what a civil war in the us will look like

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

It's not going to happen tomorrow, but we live in an era of extreme economic inequality, overpopulation, terrorism, impending environmental collapse, the president's a retard, etc, so who knows what the world will be like in a decade or two

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

What about civil wars smartass

that's how you're gonna get foreign troops in the US eventually, because no way we're stable enough to go without another civil war eventually and I'm sure some dumb poo poo country will send peacekeepers

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Away all Goats posted:

Of course it's possible, there was one in 1861.

If you mean a foreign invasion, also possible, but much less likely

There's a foreign invasion going on right now, and the bodies are going to keep piling up until we come to our senses and build that wall!

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Breakfast Feud posted:

I really want there to be a clause in American gun law saying you have to belong to an organized militia in order to own guns. Want your assault rifle? Have fun with the Suburban Guard doing laps of the local football field at 5am before work, then meet up with them again in the evening for some drills and shooting practice.

I would do this.

Also isn't the AR the most popular gun because it's a good as gently caress gun? How many people use it to shot deer. I would do that.

Also my take is that these shootings happen because society is loving sick and we have a pretty terrible health (including mental) and economic system.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Blue Train posted:

It's only good if it's communist homosexuality

Who cares about politics when you're pumping away at some sweet boipuss? Politics come into play the next morning after he makes me a spinach quiche and rearranges my furniture into a more pleasing, uh, arrangement.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

no country or group of countries can project force across the world like the usa can or even get close to it, so dont sweat it and condolences for marrying a dumbass

Moonshine Rhyme
Mar 26, 2010

Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate

Blue Train posted:

It's only good if it's communist homosexuality

The gay version of incel sexual socialism lol

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

veiled boner fuel posted:

Who cares about politics when you're pumping away at some sweet boipuss? Politics come into play the next morning after he makes me a spinach quiche and rearranges my furniture into a more pleasing, uh, arrangement.

The boipussy needs to be evenly distributed and this is impossible in a capitalist homosexual country

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

SniperWoreConverse posted:

I would do this.

Also isn't the AR the most popular gun because it's a good as gently caress gun? How many people use it to shot deer. I would do that.

Also my take is that these shootings happen because society is loving sick and we have a pretty terrible health (including mental) and economic system.

Yes, it's the combination of alienation, ideological starvation, and crushing economic pressure that makes people snap

Local communities have been hit hard by modern cultural shifts which are against communal activities or traditional communitarian institutions such as family, churches, etc. This plus constant forced migration due to the labor market and an exhausting work schedule which leaves no time for socialization, fractures human bonds and leads to miserable, alienated people.

Ideologically, people feel this misery and injustice, but due to the total control of media and academics which openly ridicules and invalidates anything other than a handful of flavors of corporate capitalism, on their own they are essentially unable to imagine why they feel so lovely and alone all the time.

Ultimately, without any ideology to guide their actions, all they know is that they want to kill the institutions which enslave them which is usually the workplace or school, or occasionally the government.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Moonshine Rhyme posted:

The gay version of incel sexual socialism lol

Yea this

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

The most deaths are probably people being abducted by paramilitaries and then being tortured to death, their ravaged bodies dumped to make an example of them

Yeah that definitely kills more people than city districts being leveled and pumped full of gas.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Grape posted:

Yeah that definitely kills more people than city districts being leveled and pumped full of gas.

Can you please go jerk off on your own

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Yes, it's the combination of alienation, ideological starvation, and crushing economic pressure that makes people snap

Local communities have been hit hard by modern cultural shifts which are against communal activities or traditional communitarian institutions such as family, churches, etc. This plus constant forced migration due to the labor market and an exhausting work schedule which leaves no time for socialization, fractures human bonds and leads to miserable, alienated people.

Ideologically, people feel this misery and injustice, but due to the total control of media and academics which openly ridicules and invalidates anything other than a handful of flavors of corporate capitalism, on their own they are essentially unable to imagine why they feel so lovely and alone all the time.

Ultimately, without any ideology to guide their actions, all they know is that they want to kill the institutions which enslave them which is usually the workplace or school, or occasionally the government.

I agree with you, OX BALLS DOT COM. Also a lot of people get a lot of their socialization thru s screens and the abstractness can gently caress you up. Look at me all my socialization is the the forums.

In extremely 50s social disease warning voice: "it could happen to YOU!"

But I know a lot of truly profoundly unhappy people out there. Especially some who are locked into jobs they hate, or are just ugly hearted as all gently caress and got mean.

HAM ON THE BONE
Aug 22, 2009


Pillbug

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

What about civil wars smartass

Keyword: foreign invasion

VikingSkull posted:

that's how you're gonna get foreign troops in the US eventually, because no way we're stable enough to go without another civil war eventually and I'm sure some dumb poo poo country will send peacekeepers

See this is the kinda post I was looking for, cause I never would have thought of this scenario.

The Pussy Boss posted:

It's not going to happen tomorrow, but we live in an era of extreme economic inequality, overpopulation, terrorism, impending environmental collapse, the president's a retard, etc, so who knows what the world will be like in a decade or two

Ok this ones also good, I guess if climate change fucks a bunch of folks they're gonna either go somewhere or starve. I guess a mass migration counts as an invasion.

Neutrino
Mar 8, 2006

Fallen Rib
The US no longer has any well regulated militias like it had in the 1800's. Even if you look at the fucks that took over the Malheur refuge, a small squad of trained troops would squash them into crying pulps of flesh.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Also isn't the AR the most popular gun because it's a good as gently caress gun?

No. It's because it's "omg I feel like an army mans" and because it's the Barbie's dreamhouse of guns where you can customize all kinds of poo poo without having to go to a gunsmith or have any idea what you're doing.

quote:

How many people use it to shot deer. I would do that.

Pretty much nobody.

You don't need 30+ rounds to kill a deer (unless you're retarded) and 223 is a really lovely round for doing it anyway.

If you look at any top 10 "here are the best deer guns" it'll all either be bolt or lever actions. Though they'll increasingly include an AR or two just so they don't get a shitload of hate mail from idiots. And all of their AR recs won't be for the standard 223, it'll be for 6.5 creedmoor or 260 remington or something.

ARs make poo poo hunting rifles. In terms of actual hunting use they're really only good for slaughtering a shitload of coyotes or prairie dogs in a short amount of time.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

veiled boner fuel posted:

Pretty much nobody.

You don't need 30+ rounds to kill a deer (unless you're retarded) and 223 is a really lovely round for doing it anyway.

If you look at any top 10 "here are the best deer guns" it'll all either be bolt or lever actions. Though they'll increasingly include an AR or two just so they don't get a shitload of hate mail from idiots. And all of their AR recs won't be for the standard 223, it'll be for 6.5 creedmoor or 260 remington or something.

ARs make poo poo hunting rifles

They are excellent hunting rifles for anything smaller than a deer, particularly feral pigs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA5uOSkPcZ4

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
I am disappointed to learn this but at least hog death is a plus

Ardemia
Jan 2, 2004

IT IS MY RIGHT TO GET BEHIND THE WHEEL WHEN I'VE PUT BACK SIX SHIRLEY TEMPLES OK

:patriot:
I like how the OP, while intoxicated and without any sources to back up their position, started an argument with their SO.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

SniperWoreConverse posted:

I am disappointed to learn this but at least hog death is a plus

I think we should all have an AR to shoot the pigs

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Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!
Yeah, what kind of noob doesn't google everything their SO says immediately and in front of them.

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