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bogoodski posted:I definitely want something that requires emotional investment. I’m one of those “go big or go home” type of people, and I don’t really do anything just “in passing” (I can’t even post on a message board concisely; clearly!), so I think I want a show that leaves me emotionally fatigued at the end of each episode. So far, Bebop has been pretty successful at doing that. Though, the more intensity in that regard, the better. (Also, as a glimpse of my next review, this sentiment is why the Ballad of the Fallen Angel was so compelling to me while episodes six and seven, which seemed more emotionally moderate in nature, were less so). Gonna pull out a couple of my usual recommendation hobbyhorses and suggest Mushishi and Kino's Journey (specifically the original 2003 run). They're both episodic, like Cowboy Bebop, although less linear, so you'll usually get an emotional resolution by the end of your ~23 minutes, aside from the occasional multi-parter. Both have a lot of meditations on the folly of humanity. You might also like Big-O, which in a certain hard-to-pin-down way reminds me a bit of Cowboy Bebop, although maybe that's just because both are Sunrise-produced series that are actually good instead of cringey. Big-O also has a quality dub. The ending of the American-financed 2nd season is a bit divisive, but, if you're going to engage with anime for to any degree, problems with endings are something you'll run into soon. If you're the studious type, there are a lot of anime and manga that are driven by a desire to share something that the creator is passionate about with the audience, which might tickle your fancy. Such series can be about just about anything, including the history of cocktails, camping in the winter, scuba diving, mountain climbing, or competitive overclocking. I will say that Cowboy Bebop had a certain magic to it that hasn't really been pulled off nearly as consistently since, even 20 years on. The pieces were all of incredible quality on their own merits and also came together perfectly. Sometimes you get glimpses of it, and it's an incredible rush when you do, which is a large part of why I'm still here. Bebop is still my 2nd favorite series, with only Evangelion beating it, and there are plenty of ways in which Bebop is unquestionably better, especially technically.
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Feb 28, 2018 08:01
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Paracelsus posted:[...] a couple of my usual recommendation hobbyhorses and suggest Mushishi [...] This is also something I'd recommend extremely highly. It's very beautiful visually, it has a magnificently bittersweet mood, and overall I would say it's one of the most... grown-up for want of a better term, anime that I can think of.
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The Big O is rad, it is essentially batman with a mech. I'm pretty sure the creators were inspired by the batman cartoon from the 90's in some way? The main character is a criminal negotiator by day and a mech pilot outside of that, his partner is a deadpan android, and he has a badass butler. The designs for the mechs, called MEGADEUS, are wonderfully out there in design and super ponderous(think pacific rim style) as opposed to many mech series where the giant robots flit about easily, and the stories are really interesting, even if things go a bit off the rails eventually. Also, the animation is gorgeous.
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Feb 28, 2018 16:27
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Big O had some of the same animation staff that worked on BTAS
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Feb 28, 2018 16:30
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ah, that was what it was then.
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Feb 28, 2018 17:41
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OP you should try reading manga, which is way better than anime
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Feb 28, 2018 20:23
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DisDisDis posted:OP you should try reading manga, which is way better than anime oh jesus there are so many chapters of komi san i cant be arsed actually
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Feb 28, 2018 20:34
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Do it. It's supremely cute.
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Feb 28, 2018 20:41
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DisDisDis posted:OP you should try reading manga, which is way better than anime This is the natural progression because I love comic books. I started my collection as a kid. I probably have thousands. Of course, me being me, I've never seen a movie related to the comics I read. That I can think of, at least. And I've taken a little hiatus from my comic collection because I'm in between jobs* and trying to be super frugal. I think I'd really dig manga, though. *PS: Let me tell you again why never to attend a coding bootcamp.
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Feb 28, 2018 21:59
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OP, many comics are translated by fans and available on websites. Some are illegal because the comic is licensed in English, but many are not licensed in English and thus exist in a kinda grayish area where this niche community has thrived. (I can say that YKK is not licensed and is amazing, but the scan quality sometimes doesn't do the print copies justice. But my copies were imported when I had a job and ... you know, money) E: to expand on this, try to check out one of the many threads here if/when you're interested! I have a general slice of life thread with many reading links and series names, and there are many other threads with great reads in the OPs. Rodenthar Drothman fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 22:11
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And sometimes those illegal scanlations spur licensing acquisition for series that would, otherwise, never in a million years get localized. Like, say, My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness, which has gone on to become hugely successful, and rightly so. If you're looking for manga to read, there's a staggering amount compared to anime, since a lot of anime are adaptations of manga themselves. But if you're a fan of superhero comics, I definitely think the my hero academia manga is a real good take on the superhero genre. It's reverse x-men, instead of a fraction of a percentage of the population being super powered, instead literally almost every single person has some kind of power, called a quirk. Sometimes the quirk just gives you a snake head. Sometimes it makes you a fire demigod. It's all real neat. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 22:14
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And some, maybe not entirely rightly so. *cough monster musume cough*
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Feb 28, 2018 22:15
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:And some, maybe not entirely rightly so. I love the sexy slither of a lady snake
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Feb 28, 2018 22:23
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Captain Invictus posted:... This sounds awesome. I admire it already just due to the creator's outside-the-box thinking of reversing the standard paradigm. Love stuff like that. I'll definitely check it out. I'm still going to wait until I work through more of Bebop before I start checking out other related things (even if those things are only tangentially related like manga). There's just something fun to me about keeping this experience with Bebop super pure. Once I do get to the point of checking out other things, I'll consider digital manga. Especially since there was a case made that the digital copies aren't detrimental to the print industry. I've never given in digital comic books or, really, even books on Kindle. Combined with what else I've shared about myself here, I'm in danger of really conveying myself as a total square by adding this to it: but I am an old soul about books too, and prefer hard copies as much as possible. I'm sure if I like the manga I check out online, I'll switch to hard copies in no time.
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Feb 28, 2018 22:58
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The main difference in sticking with hard copies (which I prefer too, when I can afford them) is the sheer volume of what's available for free online. Literally gigabytes upon gigabytes of some extremely varied content from the most generic stereotypical stuff (Naruto) to very well thought out, beautifully drawn, painstakingly researched titles (A Bride's Tale, or "Otoyomegatari" in JP.) Sadly, otoyo is licensed. (BUT. The hardcover volumes are absolutely gorgeous. So file that one away if you do do hard copies.) At any rate, the oodles of stuff out there for free is really the big reason i read stuff online. It's not a hard copy, no. But it's a great way of being introduced to content that, if i like it and it it gets licensed, I will be sure to buy.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:And some, maybe not entirely rightly so. Monster musume is actually really good though
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Namtab posted:Monster musume is actually really good though It's garbage OP. Even getting past hookups about the sexual nature of it, it's all the same bland sex jokes that fall flat and suck.
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Mar 1, 2018 02:02
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 People are allowed to like bad things. Hell, I used to read it.
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Yes, it's perfectly fine to like and enjoy bad things, nowhere did I say this was not allowed. Heck, watching bad shows gives you more of an appreciation for the really, really good shows in comparison. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Review Time!  Alright, since the last review, I’ve watched episodes 7 and 8, Heavy Metal Queen and Waltz for Venus respectively. I’m not going to dwell on Heavy Metal Queen. It felt like a throw-away episode and, really, didn’t do much to sway my general feelings about the series. For the most part, those general feelings will be the subject of this post. I now recognize that I approached my initial viewing of Bebop with respect, perhaps to the detriment to my ability to fairly assess the show. That is to say that my baseline expectation for Bebop was for it to be very good (it has been) while suspecting that it might be something more (jury’s still out). Given how explicitly I tried to limit any preconceived notions, I don’t know the source of that deference. That said, it’s influenced my viewing experience. Except for The Ballad of the Fallen Angel, which seemed a totally complete episode in the sense of “completeness” that I’m about to address here, I’ve finished each episode of Bebop feeling just a little unfulfilled. A necessary caveat: Bebop is certainly good. And successful as an introduction to anime as I find myself wanting to watch more. I just have this feeling that each episode leaves a little something in the tank; that it doesn’t quite reach its full potential. I can’t tell you if this is a criticism of the show or of the viewer. Because it could be the case that I’m anticipating that some moment will completely blow my mind – to be unlike anything I’ve viewed before – and that may be an unfair expectation. Waltz for Venus was definitely a step up from Heavy Metal Queen and, along the lines of the feelings above, Waltz for Venus really made me wish that the episode had a longer duration to pace out its plot and character development. Rocco was sympathetic and relatable, as was the blind sister, and the ending delivered a touching conclusion, but all these things were presented with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. The characters didn’t actually break the fourth wall, but the forthrightness of their development gave that feeling all the same. It’s weird to feel like I’m being overly harsh about a series that I’m simultaneously saying is very good. Does this make sense? I’d ask whether my expectations are too high, but I’m afraid an answer to that question from anyone who’s watched Bebop in its entirety might frame how I view future episodes. And I definitely don’t want that. But, for those of you who are aware of how the series progresses from here, it should be interesting to see how my expectations and feelings in response to those expectations change with each subsequent episode. Kinda like watching a football fan get his hope up during a recorded game to which you already know the result. Thanks for reading!
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Aurora posted:oh jesus there are so many chapters of komi san do it, it's only a couple of hours and you weren't gonna do anything with that time, anyway bogoodski posted:It’s weird to feel like I’m being overly harsh about a series that I’m simultaneously saying is very good. Does this make sense? Yes that makes sense. Hell that's basically every single thread in this subforum given enough pages of posting. Expectations are weird, aren't they? Even when you have no idea what's going to happen, you have this rough idea of how you want to feel about it by the end, regardless of whether or not that feeling is what the show is even aiming for. SatansBestBuddy fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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I also feel like Heavy Metal Queen and Waltz for Venus are a bit more about world-building in general: you get to meet Space Truckers and see how people live on these terraformed planets with sometimes awful side effects. Jamming with Edward is coming up next. 
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Mar 1, 2018 02:52
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Bebop's episodic nature and how everyone's big plot arcs are kinda shotgunned across the whole run works for and against it a bit. Heavy Metal Queen is one of the funner one-and-done episodes but there's nothing really to it. Waltz for Venus is something that could've almost been a movie on its own if it was fleshed out.
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Mo_Steel posted:I also feel like Heavy Metal Queen and Waltz for Venus are a bit more about world-building in general: you get to meet Space Truckers and see how people live on these terraformed planets with sometimes awful side effects. Yeah, I could definitely see a scenario when I'm done watching the entire series that I look back on episodes that didn't initially blow me away and appreciate them more for the value they provide in setting up future awesomeness. Fabricated posted:
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bogoodski posted:Given how explicitly I tried to limit any preconceived notions, I don’t know the source of that deference. That said, it’s influenced my viewing experience. Except for The Ballad of the Fallen Angel, which seemed a totally complete episode in the sense of “completeness” that I’m about to address here, I’ve finished each episode of Bebop feeling just a little unfulfilled. Gonna be real interested to see what you have to say after you've watched Honky Tonk Women.
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Paracelsus posted:Gonna be real interested to see what you have to say after you've watched Honky Tonk Women. I'm guessing Hard Luck Woman is probably the one you mean? #24
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esselfortium posted:I'm guessing Hard Luck Woman is probably the one you mean? #24 I was going to say, because I've already seen Honky Tonk Women. Juat watched Jamming with Edward. Which compelled me to immediately watch Ganymede Elegy. I might have to reconsider my previous thoughts! 😁 More on that tomorrow...
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esselfortium posted:I'm guessing Hard Luck Woman is probably the one you mean? #24 Yeah, that's the one, with Call Me Call Me as the insert song.
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Which # episode is the space casino episode again?Rodenthar Drothman posted:The main difference in sticking with hard copies (which I prefer too, when I can afford them) is the sheer volume Online readers, especially legal ones like crunchyroll, help deal with this significantly. Julias posted:It's garbage OP. Even getting past hookups about the sexual nature of it, it's all the same bland sex jokes that fall flat and suck.
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Captain Invictus posted:Which # episode is the space casino episode again? That's episode 5, one of my all time favorites.
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Yeah, that's the one. God its so good.
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About to catch another episode(s). Review first! Last night, I watched Jamming with Edward. It compelled me to immediately watch Ganymede Elegy. So, yeah, it was good. What can I say, folks? I'm all in! Despite whatever misgivings I may have about the character development during any individual episode (modest misgivings, as they are), the growth of the main characters throughout the duration of the series has been deceptively alluring. As much as I want to say that the Bebop writers try too hard to convince the viewers of the distinctiveness of each character's personality, that criticism seems hollow when I realize that right now I'm sitting here, wondering "What's Spike gonna get into tonight??!?" Ganymede Elegy highlighted that character intrigue excellently, perhaps better than any Bebop episode since the Ballad of the Fallen Angel. In this episode, the impenetrable Jet demonstrated his vulnerability. And for this viewer, a fairly mild-mannered combat veteran-turned-pacifist, 2,500 miles from a past purposely left behind, Jet became so uniquely relatable. Needless to say, Elegy was one of my favorite episodes. And as a counter to Jamming with Edward's off-the-wall "funness", its poignancy made the two a really rewarding viewing combo. As a character, Edward is a fun addition to the family. Though, like Bebop as a whole, he isn't without flaw. But, here's the thing: I can't possibly sit here and opine negatively about a show when I had so much fun watching last night's episodes. And have so much excitement about tonight's. Maybe during future reviews I'll be more up for nit-picking but, tonight, pointing out Bebop weaknesses really feels like it's an exercise in missing the forest for the trees. As an aside: Bebop does a wonderful job of accurately depicting technology that didn't really exist in that form during the show's time. Like Edward's toy drone, for example. Which may not be the best case because drones existed at the time of Bebop but it's the first example that comes to mind of a phenomenon that I've noticed a handful of times. e - Original post referred to Edward as "Eddie." And that's weird. So, I fixed that. bogoodski fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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op i have no frame of reference to comment on what you've seen and don't feel making recommendations would be useful, but i respect that you're still posting in this thread in spite of all the bullshit. i hope you enjoy your experience with anime.
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:op i have no frame of reference to comment on what you've seen and don't feel making recommendations would be useful, but i respect that you're still posting in this thread in spite of all the bullshit. i hope you enjoy your experience with anime. The recommendations, which are useful to me, far out number the distractions. So, it's worthwhile. Just realized that in my last review, I kept referring to Edward as Eddie. Gonna go fix that now.
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:[...]i respect that you're still posting in this thread in spite of all the bullshit. i hope you enjoy your experience with anime. Also, Jet is my favorite character in Bebop (though I don't relate as strongly on a personal level, I admire his character a lot), and I'm glad you like him too  P.S. Ed is a girl
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:This. Do you think nowadays since it's more recognized and understood, we'd refer to Ed as "them"?
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I have no idea. E: i should clarify. I have a couple non-binary friends, and from what I have gathered it's a choice for them, not a label other people stick on them. Rodenthar Drothman fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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edward is whatever edward wants to be for real tho ed was originally designed to be a guy but hten changed into a girl fairly late into production in order to have more female characters around. i imagine a lot of episode scripts/ideas were already done by that point, even if they werent storyboarded yet, so ed just wound up kinda androgynous and never having their gender really be a thing. i dont think its really a conscious attempt at any kind of nonbinary character i think its more just shes a girl but it doesnt really matter, if that makes sense. shes only like 13 and hasnt really been around any kind of society at all, it makes sense she wouldnt really think about stuff like that. i wouldnt really use them/they for her but i could see why other people would. i havent paid much attention to the JP vocal tracks for bebop but in the dub people call her a girl and she/her and she doesnt protest, though she doesnt really protest when people use he/him either. edward just doesnt care, i think.
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Thanks for doing this thread. Now I'm rewatching bits and pieces of Cowboy Bebop too. It's good.
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