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Mantis42 posted:Not as bad as the books. Those have got to be pretty wild reads then.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Those have got to be pretty wild reads then. The books are pretty “yikes,” especially when it comes to any character that happens to be a minority. Dr. No in particular was a rough read. On the flip side Bond is much more of a gently caress-up in the novels, regularly getting shot or poisoned on what seems like a regular basis.
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Fart City posted:The books are pretty “yikes,” especially when it comes to any character that happens to be a minority. Dr. No in particular was a rough read. On the flip side Bond is much more of a gently caress-up in the novels, regularly getting shot or poisoned on what seems like a regular basis. Yeah, they're misogynistic, racist and just plain sadistic at times even by the standards of the 1950s. The movies have always been tame by comparison.
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The novel Goldfinger is simultaneously better and worse than the movie in that regard, because in the novel, Bond doesn't force himself on Pussy Galore like he does in the movie, but he does have a couple of disturbing digressions in his inner monologue about how he thinks Koreans are "lower than apes" and how homosexuals are destroying society. They're fun thrillers for the most part but they're exactly what you'd expect from a conservative, upper-class Old Etonian imperialist like Fleming. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 21:51
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Incidentally there's a great Let's Read in TBB that's going through the Fleming books. Casino Royale is finished and it's a good way through Live and Let Die. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3861448 Highlights: The phrase "sweet tang of rape" makes an appearance.  I've never read any of the books before, so it's interesting going through them. And chitoryu12 does a great job of providing backgrounds of locations/food/history etc.
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Aug 29, 2018 23:05
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Yeah the books haven't aged well but one thing I like about them is that Bond is much more human. He accidentally gets too drunk and jeopardizes the mission, he doubts himself, he gets angry with himself when he fucks up, he lets his arrogance get the best of him, etc.
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Aug 29, 2018 23:15
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The book Live and Let die has some terrible/amazing racism whiplash, where one second it's awful n-word poo poo left and right (to the point where it was toned down for publication IN 1950s AMERICA LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS), and the next some uptight whitebread guy is suddenly like "there was bound to be a black super-criminal eventually, because there are examples of them being geniuses at everything else."
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RE: black Bond chat Sterling K. Brown would be infinitely better than Idris Elba.
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Slutitution posted:RE: black Bond chat Another guy who would've been perfect like 10 years ago, but as it is now he'd be pushing 50 by the time they'd get to make his first sequel. That's assuming one more Craig Bond, making Brown about 44 in his first film. They need to cast someone under 35 and give themselves a shot at a "Bond in his prime" run that lasts longer than 2 movies.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:49
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Daniel Kaluuya would be pretty rad. He’s twenty-nine.
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Most of the black actors I would've thought were ideal to play Bond are a bit too old for the role now - Elba, obviously, but also Colin Salmon, Adrian Lester and David Oyelowo. Ukweli Roach would be a good choice among younger actors. Possibly John Boyega but I feel like he's maybe still a bit too young.
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Boyega has too high a profile at this point I think, they probably wouldn't want to cast him based on that alone. Same goes for Elba. Not that there haven't been exceptions. Brosnan was pretty famous from television when he was cast, but I think that was due to them having wanted to cast him for years, and he just became more famous during the Dalton years.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Most of the black actors I would've thought were ideal to play Bond are a bit too old for the role now - Elba, obviously, but also Colin Salmon, Adrian Lester and David Oyelowo. Similarly, Chiwetel Ejiofer. Who's only 41 now, but still.
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The litmus test for a good black Bond isn't "literally any black male actor I've heard of"
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Hey, I was being legit. I’d really like to see Kaluuya in more leading man roles. And he’s pretty young, which could lead to covering some untested ground. I mean I know we just got a reboot run with Craig, but I’ve always thought it would be interesting to see something that touches on Bond from when he was in the actual regular-degular military. Maybe some flashback stuff tying into a new villain he served with or something.
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Oyelowo or Lester would have been my pick 10-15 years ago based on their performances in Spooks and Hustle respectively. In particular, Lester in the latter show (which is easily one of my favourite tv series of the 00s) has this supreme self-assurance which I think would be very well-suited to playing James Bond; I just think he had the look and he has the right presence for the part. Now, Oyelowo is a bit different because in Spooks he'd been playing an MI5 agent already, so I think he'd be good as a different kind of Bond, who's conflicted about what he does and has this inner struggle about the morality of his job, if you wanted to take it in that direction. I think his arc in Spooks is indicative of the kind of Bond he could play and that's why I'd have liked him for the role if he was younger. (He also has the best death scene of the series and probably one of the best of any series.) Like I've said before, while Idris Elba would be very good, he has never been my first choice because I just think he'd be much too similar to Craig. Elba more than anyone else gets saddled with the "I will suggest him because he is the only black British actor I have heard of" thing, unfortunately, but I didn't think I was doing that.  Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The litmus test for a good black Bond isn't "literally any black male actor I've heard of" Yeah God forbid people suggesting black actors for the role of James Bond in the James Bond thread. Slutitution fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Aug 31, 2018 20:08
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Now stay with me, casting diversity is good, people of color and women but...how about a cat? Tom Cat James Bond.
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Gatts posted:Now stay with me, casting diversity is good, people of color and women but...how about a cat?  Pictured: future movie star.
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Wheat Loaf posted:
You look at that and you know that slays pussy. He’s got the IT factor.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Like I've said before, while Idris Elba would be very good, he has never been my first choice because I just think he'd be much too similar to Craig. Elba more than anyone else gets saddled with the "I will suggest him because he is the only black British actor I have heard of" thing, unfortunately, but I didn't think I was doing that. Plus, as he's repeated several times, Elba has absolutely no desire to replace Craig: He doesn't want his performance to be judged as "the first black Bond," he wants it to be judged as "James Bond," which he is very smart enough to know wouldn't happen. (I imagine the constant poo poo he took for getting cast as Heimdall also turned him off from doing franchise stuff.)
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Xealot posted:Similarly, Chiwetel Ejiofer. Who's only 41 now, but still. When I was reading Great Expectations i kept imagining him playing Mr Jaggers, he has that kind of intensity
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Deadline just announced that Daniel Craig and Rian Johnson are shooting a movie in November. When was Bond due to start shooting, before Boyle walked obviously.
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gently caress yeah.
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DrVenkman posted:Deadline just announced that Daniel Craig and Rian Johnson are shooting a movie in November. When was Bond due to start shooting, before Boyle walked obviously. Apparently Johnson's new movie is called Knives Out; it's a murder mystery, the script was distributed at the Toronto International Film Festival last night to open bidding. I guess that means Bond 25 is genuinely on indefinite hold.
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I'd imagine the film won't take that long to shoot. Smaller films usually bang them out in a month or less. But I do hope they take a minute and find a director to make this actually good. Instead of grabbing some random hack like they kept doing in the Brosnan years
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DrVenkman posted:Deadline just announced that Daniel Craig and Rian Johnson are shooting a movie in November. Does this mean that the next Star Wars trilogy is about the further adventures of the stormtrooper who got mind-tricked in TFA?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Does this mean that the next Star Wars trilogy is about the further adventures of the stormtrooper who got mind-tricked in TFA? You mean Trooper JB-007? No, I'm not kidding.
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Timby posted:Apparently Johnson's new movie is called Knives Out; it's a murder mystery, the script was distributed at the Toronto International Film Festival last night to open bidding. At least subverting expectations will make sense in a murder mystery.
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Jose Oquendo posted:At least subverting expectations will make sense in a murder mystery. The most idiotic meme.
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It's too bad that any of Rian Johnson's future movies could be very good but will get lots of bad feedback from people online almost as a matter of principle. Do people retroactively hate Brick and Looper now? Because I remember people liking both of those before Star Wars came out. 
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I’ve always been a Looper hater.
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I hated Last Jedi but really liked Looper, fwiw. I didn't know that TLJ was done by "the Looper guy" until I looked it up after watching it, and the only thing it changes about my appreciation of Looper is confusion over what went wrong afterwards.
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I haven't seen Looper but I enjoyed Brick so I think a mystery thriller from him with Daniel Craig has potential.
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I enjoy both Looper and The Last Jedi. I watched a bunch of Bond films over Labor Day weekend and my distaste for Roger Moore as Bond was reconfirmed. For Your Eyes Only just goes on forever and the climax is not worth the wait.
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Roger Moore is to James Bond as Adam West is to Batman, isn't he? I don't even mean that in a derogatory way.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Roger Moore is to James Bond as Adam West is to Batman, isn't he? Except Adam West and everyone involved with the show knew what they were doing. Moore Bond tries to take itself seriously way too often and it hardly ever works.
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Basebf555 posted:Except Adam West and everyone involved with the show knew what they were doing. Moore Bond tries to take itself seriously way too often and it hardly ever works. I have to be frank, I still can't believe A View to a Kill was released. Total failure to work in every way on every level.
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Basebf555 posted:Except Adam West and everyone involved with the show knew what they were doing. Moore Bond tries to take itself seriously way too often and it hardly ever works. I think Moore himself had a sense of humour about Bond and played him as a self-parody a lot of the time. Maybe the scripts didn't always align, I don't know.
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