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Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Next Bond movie should be about James going into the private sector cause the Brits agreed in a referendum to sink the whole island.

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Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

esperterra posted:

GoldenEye
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale

Then everything else imo.

I would add On Her Majesty's Secret Service, because Diana Rigg is the best, and that ice skating rink entrance is probably the best scene in this dumb franchise.

Also the theme tune is some wild stuff.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

lelandjs posted:

James (and the film as a whole) reverts back to being terribly misogynistic. Immediately after he’s told that his companion is a former sex slave, he immediately invades her personal space and and forces himself on her. When Silva tells Bond to shoot the shot glass off the same woman’s head later in the film, James doesn’t attempt some daring escape (like he would have in literally any other of his films), instead he chooses to shoot—and misses. He is then not terribly concerned that he caused the woman’s death.

The misogyny extends elsewhere in the film—every decision M makes is shown to be the wrong one. Moneypenny makes a mistake and is instantly downgraded to being a secretary.

Like, I understand that misogyny is a part of the character in the earlier films, and I can still watch and even enjoy the Connery films because I recognize that they’re an incredibly flawed product of their time. There is, however, no defense for making an unapologetically misogynistic film in 2012. Oh, and the “it’s an intentional throwback!” arguement is terrible. You don’t see Warner Bros putting out cartoons with characters in blackface “because it’s a throwback!”. Most media companies understand that their long running works have problems and either ignore or go out of their way to subvert said issues when they revisit those properties.

To add insult to injury, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace handled their “Bond girls” and gender politics incredibly well. So EON knows how to do it right—they just didn’t care to get it right in Skyfall.

It does have some of the best cinematography of the series, though. I will allow it that.

Skyfall is Sam Mendes being very mad about his divorce from Kate Winslet.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

I think Octopussy has the overall worst song.

Much like the movie, it's just worthless. Die another Day song is also bad, but at least it has Madonna singing about Freud and poo poo. Just baffling.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Timby posted:

I don't know that they'll ever go with a woman as Bond, but I have to imagine they'll look very closely at options other than "attractive white guy" when they replace Craig after this movie.

I seriously doubt it. Their first option was Tom Hiddleston til he blew it. Craig continues to be Bond because they still haven't found a suitable attractive white dude to replace him.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Steve2911 posted:

Out of curiosity, how did Hiddleston blow it?

Taylor Swift of all things. Bond folk don't want an actor who thinks is bigger than the role, and everything about the Swift and Hiddleston romance was a major publicity stunt circus, so off the list he went.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'm not sure who the favourites are at the moment; the bookies liked James Norton, who was the star of a TV miniseries called McMafia which I haven't seen but have heard was really underwhelming. If they break with tradition and go for an established star, I reckon it'd most likely be Tom Hardy or maybe Henry Cavill.

It's going to be the Poldark dude so they can get all ladies back on board with Bond.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Baron Porkface posted:

The problem is this has been the commentary of every bond film since at least Goldeneye. With no payoff.

Again the whole problem isn't the character's relevance, is that the UK has no real standing in major world politics and intrigue. Russian government kills a bunch of former soviet/Russian spies in downtown London with gas and all the Brits do is not let the prince go see the world cup. :sad:

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I think the best moment of this is in QOS, where he's just laid up with some random girl in a beach shack drinking Heineken. Just made me think, Bond, you piece of poo poo...

That is from Skyfall. It's easy to remember because Skyfall and Sam Mendes hate women.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Oh right, yeah. Does he even hold hands with the woman in QOS?

There's the stuff Timby mentioned with Strawberry Fields, but all he does with Olga in QoS is a kiss at the very end.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Just let Nolan do his Bond movie already.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

With Nolan we might just get Tom Hardy grunting his way through a James Bond movie and that's the only way to salvage this franchise at this point.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Eva Green makes Casino Royale way better than it actually should be. Much like how Diana Rigg does all the work in OHMSS.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

Recently I heard that one of the creative differences cited as a reason for Boyle's departure was disagreement with Daniel Craig over the casting a Russian villain. Does Craig have Tom Cruise-like influence behind-the-scenes?

He has a lot of influence over script and casting, especially for all the extra bond ladies that pop up in his movies.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

I don't know why they continue to have Craig in the role as every single time he does press for Bond movies he goes on a rant about doing bond poo poo.

Eon should just swallow their pride and get Cavill. Failing that mumbles Hardy and Chris Nolan will likely deliver something incredible.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Mantis42 posted:

Because Craig's movies have made a ton of money and he's really good in the role. Him grumbling in interviews about it doesn't matter.

He wasn't grumbling about it, he talked how he rather slit his wrists before doing another bond movie. At this point most Craig movies have been complete production disasters, so nobody is making tons of money out of this beyond advertising money which only needs the brand and a good looking dude in a suit.

Edit:It seems that Craig is being paid 25 million dollars just for the movie, and up to 100 million dollars from the movie revenue. Guess his the one making the tons of money.

Electronico6 fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Aug 24, 2018

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

CelticPredator posted:

Imagine working a really really long and tiring shift at work, where you had to deal with a ton of stuff you didn't expect, and everthing kept piling, and the moment you clock out, someone says "Hey, you ready to do it again tomorrow!?"


Fucccck yooou.

Don't ask Craig if he's doing more right after he did the last one.

Daniel Craig gets paid millions of dollars and even more on box office and imagine rights, he aint some overworked and underpaid loser teamster in these films. He also spends his days doing these movies in the best and fanciest parts of the world and having extra women actresses hired so he can gently caress them on the side.

Long and tiring. Get the gently caress out of here man.

Electronico6 fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Aug 24, 2018

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

CelticPredator posted:

Yeah you’re right. Films aren’t a job at all and in fact very easy to make and require no work at all.

My mistake. Namaste

They are a job, but the millionaire rear end in a top hat who ends up getting millions of dollars in pay and is in part responsible for making these "long and tiring shifts" is the last person to complain about it.


nemesis_hub posted:

I don’t know why people keep bringing up Nolan as a potential director. I like some of his movies a lot but he really sucks at action.

Nolan talks alot how Bond movies made him want to direct and how he would love to do one eventually. Inception ends up being his casting tape for the job.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

DrVenkman posted:

It's still a long process, particularly if you're the lead. Asking someone hey you want to do this again right after they've had a lovely experience with it isn't going to get you the brightest answer.

Sure you get a fat enough compensation for it, but it doesn't make the day to day easier.

Craig behaviour and manias are one of the reasons of why the last productions have been extremely lovely experiences. He spent most of Spectre fighting with Mendes, and this production he apparently already got the director fired and delaying it once again.

The problem with Daniel Craig has with James Bond shoots is Daniel Craig.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Nolan can do a fine action or fight scene when he can be bothered to. You can see it very well in Rises with the two punch out scenes involving Bane and Batman. The first looks, sounds(!), and feels like it was heavily planned, choreographed, and edited, while the second was probably done on a lazy sunday afternoon.

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Lmao Purvis and Wade are back, because of course they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/sep/14/james-bond-25-007-writers-neal-purvis-robert-wade-rehired

RIP Bond 25

Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Wheat Loaf posted:

This is absolutely going to have the longest gap between movies since Licence to Kill and GoldenEye, isn't it?

It's going to equal if it gets released in 2021 which is looking ever more likely.

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Electronico6
Feb 25, 2011

Solid choice, but he could barely handle Pizzolato in S1 of True Detective, I wonder if he'll be able to suffer Eon/Craig.

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