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Payndz posted:The best Bond is Roger Moore. Even his name is a double-entendre. Moore gets slagged off a lot by the same people who slag off Adam West as Batman. Imagine if Peter Wyngarde had played Bond. It would've been the same story. As I mentioned in the action movies thread, I rewatched The Living Daylights and Licence To Kill recently and was pleasantly surprised by how much more I enjoyed Licence than I did in the past. Daylights has its merits but I think Licence is probably the stronger of the two. It's a fairly Lethal Weapon movie.
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I think the Brosnan movies even out as being better overall than the Craig movies (so far).
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Mar 4, 2018 13:10
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The one after the next one should have Colin Firth as Roger Moore as James Bond.
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Mar 4, 2018 13:37
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I thought Sean Bean just wanted to steal all the money and keep it all for himself.
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Mar 6, 2018 15:04
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Lord Hydronium posted:I always feel like TND is somewhat less than the sum of its parts. Michelle Yeoh is great, the motorcycle chase is a lot of fun, Jonathan Pryce is hamming it up like nobody's business...but somehow the whole thing never quite clicks for me, and I always end up enjoying it less than I'd like. The World is Not Enough is the opposite for me; it's not without its flaws, like Denise Richards and some unmemorable action sequences and Denise Richards, but it's got a great villain, a nicely darker tone, lets M play a bigger role, and I really enjoy it overall. It's also got the best song of the Brosnan era. It's the other way around for me. I feel like I've watched TWINE more often than any other Bond movie, but what I think's actually happened is that I've started watching it more than any other one. Definitely the best song for Brosnan's movies, though.
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Mar 6, 2018 22:11
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Payndz posted:I read the script recently because I was sure I must have forgotten some explanation of how Blofeld could possibly have orchestrated everything that happened to Bond in the previous films as part of some master plan to torment his "brother". Nope; they really did just go "yes, it was all me!" and leave it at that. I'm not sure who decided James Bond movies needed to have an overarching storyline (both with the clumsy retrofitting in Spectre and the attempted direct sequel in Quantum of Solace) or why. It's like Sherlock: this looks very nice, but we just want you to solve some mysteries.
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Mar 7, 2018 09:36
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lelandjs posted:Also, the opening sequence for Die Another Day is among the series' best. "I was left to rat in that naaaiiirth kareean prisan fer soo lawn!" He really doesn't bother keeping his accent in check in that one. There's one other really egregious bit in TWINE where he introduces himself to Denise Richards with, "The name's Band. James Band."  You know I've been wondering recently if the 1999 remake of The Thomas Crown Affair wasn't written with Connery in mind, seeing as Crown is written as Scottish in that version. My favourite for each actor is Goldfinger (I think From Russia With Love is probably a better movie overall, but I've always had the most fun with Goldfinger), OHMSS (by process of elimination), The Spy Who Loved Me (the ideal for a Roger Moore Bond movie in my view), Licence to Kill (but only recently), GoldenEye and Casino Royale.
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Mar 8, 2018 15:57
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It's been forever since I watched Die Another Day but I'm pretty confident I'd like it better than TWINE if I did.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:03
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I know Sony were keen to try and spin a Halle Berry solo spin-off out of it (co-starring Michael Madsen as DAMIAN FALCO, I presume) but for years now I've had this idea that there were versions of the poster where she was posed in front of Brosnan; was that true or have I just misremembered it?
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Mar 8, 2018 16:14
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I think Octopussy has the overall worst song.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:49
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It has a scene where Gobinda demonstrates how tough he is by crushing a pair of backgammon dice in his fist. Not quite as impressive as it was 20 years earlier when it was Oddjob doing the same thing to a pair of golf balls.  The Spy Who Loved Me was supposed to be a SPECTRE story at one stage until the rights problem reared its head, so Stromberg was going to be Blofeld at some point.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:03
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R. Guyovich posted:Who is the best Bond villain. Answers must begin with "Rosa" and end with "Klebb." The Donald Pleasence version of Blofeld.
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Mar 9, 2018 09:32
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Obviously the quality varies, but on the whole, I think it's easier to list the ones that aren't any good. "All Time High" from Octopussy is probably my least favourite because it's too muzak. "For Your Eyes Only" is a good song except it needed a singer with a stronger voice than Sheena Easton to sing it. They should've got Shirley Bassey to sing that one instead of "Moonraker" (which I think is the least of the three she did for the series). I have a lot of affection for "Nobody Does It Better" but that ties in together with the entire opening sequence of The Spy Who Loved Me with the Union jack parachute.
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Mar 9, 2018 12:14
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It's kind of weird how arguably the most famous screenwriter who's worked on James Bond movies was Roald Dahl.
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Mar 10, 2018 22:07
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The only other Bond screenwriter who I feel like has reasonably immediate name recognition (someone may correct me on this) is probably George Macdonald Fraser.
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Mar 10, 2018 22:53
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Violator posted:I don’t remember, which one? I suspect it's the one where Silva challenges Bond to shoot something off the Bond girl's head like William Tell and Bond (despite supposedly being the best shot in MI5) misses, so Silva shoots her dead.
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Mar 11, 2018 01:37
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The bad guy from Quantum of Solace was incredibly distracting because he looked almost identical to Jools Holland.
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Mar 11, 2018 10:35
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Moonraker also has the scene where Bond drives his Bondola through a square in Venice (?) and it makes a pigeon do a double-take.
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Mar 11, 2018 17:18
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You know, I was sold on Idris Elba as Bond for a long time, but I think I've gone off him a bit lately because although he would be good, I feel like he'd be too similar to Craig (and partly because I'm a bit worn out on how he seems to be the only black British actor the Internet has ever heard of and fantasy cast him for everything). If you're going to have a black actor as James Bond, I think my first choice now would be David Oyelowo or Colin Salmon (though he might be too old).
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Mar 12, 2018 21:02
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Electronico6 posted:Taylor Swift of all things. Bond folk don't want an actor who thinks is bigger than the role, and everything about the Swift and Hiddleston romance was a major publicity stunt circus, so off the list he went. It's always been that way, to one degree or another. Cubby Broccoli toyed with the idea of casting Oliver Reed for On Her Majesty's Secret Service but ultimately decided against it because Reed already had an image, he was already a star on the rise (he'd been in Oliver! the previous year, for instance) and if they put him in a James Bond movie, they'd have had to try and overcome that image so people would see James Bond when they looked at him instead of Oliver Reed. (That's the official explanation, anyway. They probably just didn't want to have to put up with Oliver Reed when he was drunk, which was all the time.) They haven't really cast anyone who was a known movie star beforehand, though. They weren't totally unknown quantities (other than Lazenby) but I think the biggest name pre-Bond actor was Roger Moore, and he was mainly known as a TV actor. I'm not sure who the favourites are at the moment; the bookies liked James Norton, who was the star of a TV miniseries called McMafia which I haven't seen but have heard was really underwhelming. If they break with tradition and go for an established star, I reckon it'd most likely be Tom Hardy or maybe Henry Cavill.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:26
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Atomic Blonde was sort of like a female James Bond, inasmuch as Charlize Theron played a morally ambiguous spy who drank a lot and also got to shag Sophia Boutella in that movie. (Though I thought Atomic Blonde was more like a John le Carré spy thriller with a bit more action compared to other recent Le Carre adaptations than a James Bond/Mission: Impossible spy action movie.)
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Mar 13, 2018 14:32
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Sure, have you read those James Bond novels? They're great wee thrillers, but you have to hold your nose a bit when you get to the part in Goldfinger where Bond muses about how much he hates Koreans etc.
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Mar 13, 2018 14:48
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Payndz posted:Ian Fleming was a ghastly Etonian imperialist and sadist who happened to be a decent thriller writer with the good fortune of catching the zeitgeist. By the way (and I'm sorry that this has nothing whatsoever to do with your post), I don't suppose you'd have the link to your Department S blog close to hand?
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Mar 13, 2018 23:06
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Gary Kemp always wanted Spandu Ballet to do a Bond theme and was really annoyed that Duran Duran were asked instead. I remember he was doing a commentary on his songs once and for one of them he said it was written with the idea that it could potentially be a James Bond theme, but I don't remember which one it was. Probably "Gold".
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Mar 14, 2018 13:50
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I'm very interested in seeing what (if anything) comes from the Avengers reboot Shane Black and Fred Dekker are supposedly doing.
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Mar 14, 2018 15:42
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I wonder if Eon will ever drop Purvis and Wade. They've been writing or co-writing these things since TWINE.
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Vagabundo posted:What's the consensus on the whole "Bond and Blofeld were step-brothers!" angle? I loving hated it. I'd have preferred Blofeld's role to be much smaller, preferably as the guy who sics Hinx on to Bond, and as an overall malevolent presence that Bond knows he's going to have to take down sooner or later, rather than having that entire showdown at the end that, to me, felt rather tacked on. Like I said before, think it's a bit of a Great Game angle, which I can take or leave when it comes to Bond.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:11
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Jeb! Repetition posted:This opening song is bad even by the extremely low standards of 007 opening songs Amazingly, the only James Bond song that was a number-one single in the UK (the others that came closest were "A View to a Kill" and "Skyfall" which both got stuck at number two).
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Mar 24, 2018 21:39
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As far as Bond themes are concerned, "All Time High" is definitely the all-time low. I mentioned earlier in the thread that "For Your Eyes Only" probably would've been more palatable if someone with a stronger singing voice than Sheena Easton had done it; I mention it again because on my binge watch, I've just gotten to the part of Miami Vice where Crockett falls in love with and marries her within the space of a single episode.
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Mar 24, 2018 22:24
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Brosnan should have played Simon Templar instead of Val Kilmer. Kilmer could've played Thomas Crown to compensate. (I've said before that I'm half-convinced that the Thomas Crown Affair remake was conceived with Connery in mind.)
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Mar 28, 2018 20:08
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Bond in the novels always seemed to go on about how he'd absolutely fallen in love with the Bond girl of the week (or thought he had) and was contemplating leaving the service for her. Although she disappears between books, Tiffany Case lives with him for a while between Diamonds Are Forever and From Russia With Love, which you'd never see in the movies.
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got any sevens posted:The Eiger Sanction is decent Bond knockoff if you want more. Clint Eastwood plays an art professor who's also a former international assassin and one of the world's best mountaineers. The head of his organisation is a former Nazi albino called Dragon who needs to have his blood replaced on a regular basis. Probably one of Eastwood's strangest star vehicles.
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Apr 1, 2018 11:03
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LesterGroans posted:OHMSS rules though. I just wish a better Bond played the part. It seems like a tough film for a first-time Bond to pull off. I believe OHMSS was Lazenby's first acting role ever. Other actors who were considered but either declined or were rejected between 1967 and 1969 included Jeremy Brett, Michael Caine, Terence Stamp and, er, Dick Van Dyke. I think that was around the time Broccoli tried to get Lord Lucan to audition but he declined because he'd unsuccessfully screen-tested for a part in another movie and hadn't enjoyed it.
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I liked Penny Dreadful but it's disappointing that it apparently an Anno Dracula adaptation for TV was in the works and was killed off when it came out. The weirdest scene in it manages to be Eva Green's mother walks in on her masturbating and instantly suffers a heart attack and dies because it wouldn't be out of place in some kind of ultra-traditionalist Christian PSA.
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Basebf555 posted:They should bring back Vesper for the last Craig movie, just say she took like a pill or something and was just pretending to drown. "I'm Vesper's never-before-seen long-lost identical twin, Visper!"
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Apr 4, 2018 13:58
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Basebf555 posted:While I think that's correct, the length isn't what lets it down imo, it's how poorly it's all set up beforehand. It's not really a satisfying twist because I think most people at that point are having a hard time following exactly how and to whom Vesper betrayed Bond. It's a convoluted mess and that same problem is carried over into Quantum. Probably a consequences of trying to be faithful to the novel, with the problem that there isn't any stand-in for SMERSH/the USSR that Bond goes into it knowing he's fighting am doing for whom Vesper is spying. That's the twist at the end of the book: Le Chiffre and Vesper were on the same side the whole time. In the book, Le Chiffre is the treasurer of a French trade union which is used by the Russians to convey information and money through Europe and he's at the Casino Royale because he onested in a string of brothels that were close down down after the French government banned prostitution (or something's like that). In the movie, he's "financier to the world's terrorists" and has no clear allegiances or ideology.
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I wonder what people thought of the cold open for Diamonds Are Forever in 1971. OHMSS ends with Bond crying over the body of his dead wife after she was murdered by Blofeld. DAF opens with him hunting him down and (seemingly) drowning him in boiling mud. Then after the titles, it's off on a new adventure, and it's only later on he discovers that Blofeld is still alive and behind everything. I wonder if it was like, for example, if Return of the Jedi started with Luke defeating Darth Vader and the Emperor in the first 15 minutes, then the remaining two hours of the movie are about him saving Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt.
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Basebf555 posted:Face blindness aside, if you're a Bond fan Leiter would stand out just because he's Leiter. I remember being surprised when I read the novels because I'm fairly sure that Mathis has almost as much of a presence as Leiter as one of Bond's allies in the early ones. He disappears after From Russia With Love but that's the big turning point for the series anyway.
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May 18, 2018 20:56
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One of the things Goldfinger has going for it is the fight with Oddjob in Fort Knox at the end. But even there, the fight with Grant aboard the Orient Express in FRWL is better. If you're going to pick the definitive ones, I think The Spy Who Loved Me deserves to be counted as well alongside FRWL and GoldenEye (and Casino Royale if you like). I think it's the best Moore movie but it's also the one that best reflects the entire suave seventies super-spy thing that ended up being the source of all the parodies (most Bond parodies are Roger Moore movies with Connery's accent).
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Goldfinger the novel is a lot less rapey but vastly more racist than Goldfinger the movie.
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