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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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screaden posted:

I feel like Casino Royale brought in an entire new generation of fans who weren't really familiar with the series as a whole, they may have seen Goldeneye or Die Another Day, but their only real exposure came through Casino, and SPECTRE is basically Craig doing a Moore film. People just weren't used to the silliness and campy nature of the series, even if Connery's were kinda straight (YOLT and DAF excluded), the simple fact that it was made in the 60's and 70's gives a real good kitschy factor that I lump them in the same category. They were never about smart or gripping stories, they were vehicles designed to send Bond to an exotic locale to shoot some dudes or do some sightseeing, so when SPECTRE rolls around and is full of that stuff (like Blofeld being his half-brother is so stupid, but it fits right in to those early films) the current audience who only know the Craig films complained about the story not making any sense or the characters not having any meaningful motivations when that's really been a hallmark since the beginning kind of missed the boat a little? Not that that justifies the tepid response but it delivered everything I wanted out of a modern Bond movie so I was real happy with it.

Disagree. The "twist" about Blofeld being Bond's brother doesn't fit right into the old Bond movies, it fits right into Austin Powers because that was literally from Austin Powers. Their attempt to retcon the previous Craig movies was also totally unnecessary. Neither element added anything to the plot, and Blofeld doesn't need any motivation beyond world domination.

It's such a shame because I think Spectre has one of the best pre-title sequences in the series, but it all goes downhill from there. I thought Skyfall worked as a 50th anniversary retrospective of the series without ever feeling too kitschy or self-referential, but with Spectre they attempted to make a direct throwback movie (see blatant references to OHMSS and FRWL) and came out with something that felt like a lifeless imitation as a result.

Tenzarin posted:

Tomorrow Never Dies is great. They are rebooting this series already again? They really only had a single good movie with skyfall and all the rest kinda sucked.

Craig has one more movie left.

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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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geeves posted:

Dink say goodbye to Felix, man talk!

I saw Goldfinger in a theatre a few years ago and all of the casual sexism created a lot of uncomfortable laughter.

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Aug 6, 2005

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Payndz posted:

Skyfall seemed to come too soon. We went from Bond's first mission, directly followed by his second mission in QoS... then suddenly he's a washed-up, jaded, self-doubting burnout who fails miserably at everything he does. Fifth or sixth film, maybe, but the third?

It was the 50th anniversary of the series so you're not supposed to view Bond as still a fresh 00 agent but someone who's been in the game for way too long. It's not meant to be a direct follow-up to QoS.

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Aug 6, 2005

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R. Guyovich posted:

Who is the best Bond villain. Answers must begin with "Rosa" and end with "Klebb."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvAISFufHek

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Aug 6, 2005

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Basebf555 posted:

Elba is too old now as well, the time to cast him came and went. He'd be pushing 50 by the time his first Bond was released.

I'd love to see a shakeup of the formula though along those lines, I'd have no problem at all with a female Bond.

Ian Fleming would roll in his grave if they cast a black Bond and he'd probably turn inside out if it was a woman. I don't see how you make Bond a woman without fundamentally altering the character, who is a "sexist misogynist dinosaur", at which point why not make a new character instead?

Cacator fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 13, 2018

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Alternate Bond title songs can be a fun rabbit hole to go down as a lot of the time they come off as completely inappropriate (Johnny Cash? Alice Cooper? Ace of Base!) with the notable exception of Spectre which is far superior to the one they ended up using.

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Aug 6, 2005

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

Can you link the episode where they talk about this?

Pretty much every Brosnan episode.

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Aug 6, 2005

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Violator posted:

Diamonds is good because it has the best Bond girl: Plenty O’toole. “My name’s Plenty!” “Of course it is.”

"Named after your father, perhaps?"

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Aug 6, 2005

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Wheat Loaf posted:

Goldfinger the novel is a lot less rapey but vastly more racist than Goldfinger the movie.

Don't forget, Pussy Galore is explicitly a lesbian that Bond "turns".

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Hugo Drax had some good ideas

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Aug 6, 2005

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CelticPredator posted:

I have never watched Octopussy all the way through. I loving hate it and it's so boring and Bond makes oogabooga noises in a sack while playing dead and dresses up like a loving clown to hunt a goddamn egg. It's horrific.

Actually, he dresses up like a clown to defuse a nuclear bomb

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Aug 6, 2005

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Basebf555 posted:

gently caress it, if it's really Craig's last Bond just bring Mendes back.

Ugh please no. Spectre was a huge letdown.
Can't say I'm not disappointed out Boyle leaving, they could have done something very interesting with him at the helm but I imagine Barbara 🥦 wouldn't allow too much deviation from the formula.

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Aug 6, 2005

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thrawn527 posted:

Bring Martin Campbell back.

I think Campbell has said he'd only do it if there was something new to work with, i.e. a new actor. Craig wanted Villeneuve to direct but he's too busy with Dune.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Bring back Lee Tamahori.

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Aug 6, 2005

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CelticPredator posted:

I mean they already did all the movies like two years ago. It’s not a podcast that was meant to last forever.

My only issue with them is their adoration for A View to a Kill and Octopussy. Fuckin hate those movies man, and no part of me can stand revisiting them. I want a guest to show up and be like “no this movie is trash.”

On the flip side there's Tomorrow Never Dies where all Gourley does is bitch and whine the whole time and is insufferable.

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Aug 6, 2005

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Neo Rasa posted:

I have to be frank, I still can't believe A View to a Kill was released. Total failure to work in every way on every level.

Excuse me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWVbVT3igdw

I also think Grace Jones is an inspired choice for a Bond girl but she would have been matched much better with Dalton than with Moore.

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Aug 6, 2005

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Barudak posted:

This is one of the worst openings in the franchise and I'm including the video games in that.

The song is good though.

Well I was referring to the song itself because the actual music video from Duran Duran is dumb.

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Never heard of this guy until now but I can't imagine they'd ever cast such an uggo to be Bond.

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