Sagebrush posted:

think of it this way: it's not the ceiling that is different, but the floor.

china has built supercomputers, launched people into space (my favorite onion article btw), builds their own fighter jets, etc. and nearly every little bit of electronics you've ever bought was made in part in china. the country is perfectly capable of working to a very high standard, and their best work is at least approaching if not equal to the best work done in the western world.

the difference is that the worst work coming out of china is so much worse than the worst stuff here. i'd say this is partially due to an extreme attitude of Caveat Emptor in chinese business culture, and partially due to a severe lack of regulation and enforcement of the regs that do exist. if an american restaurant was caught skimming oil out of the sewers to re-use in their deep fryers, it would be national news for months and people would be going to prison left and right. an american company that made a set of jackstands from melted down zinc carburetors would not be allowed to put that product on sale, and if they faked the certification standards, again, people would be going to jail.

in chinese business, whether because of apathy or cultural inertia or corruption, you can generally always find someone who's willing to sell you a hammer for 390 dollars per 1000-units, shrugging and doing whatever they have to do to meet that price point. it will be cheap, and it will be lovely, but americans seem to really struggle with "you get what you pay for," for some reason.

Sagebrush posted:

think of it this way: it's not the ceiling that is different, but the floor.

china has built supercomputers, launched people into space (my favorite onion article btw), builds their own fighter jets, etc. and nearly every little bit of electronics you've ever bought was made in part in china. the country is perfectly capable of working to a very high standard, and their best work is at least approaching if not equal to the best work done in the western world.

the difference is that the worst work coming out of china is so much worse than the worst stuff here. i'd say this is partially due to an extreme attitude of Caveat Emptor in chinese business culture, and partially due to a severe lack of regulation and enforcement of the regs that do exist. if an american restaurant was caught skimming oil out of the sewers to re-use in their deep fryers, it would be national news for months and people would be going to prison left and right. an american company that made a set of jackstands from melted down zinc carburetors would not be allowed to put that product on sale, and if they faked the certification standards, again, people would be going to jail.

in chinese business, whether because of apathy or cultural inertia or corruption, you can generally always find someone who's willing to sell you a hammer for 390 dollars per 1000-units, shrugging and doing whatever they have to do to meet that price point. it will be cheap, and it will be lovely, but americans seem to really struggle with "you get what you pay for," for some reason.

NoneMoreNegative posted:

lol I’m reminded of the story from years back where there were companies in China making cheap soy sauce out of human hair

echinopsis posted:

Despite the Chinese authorities running a campaign to crack down on gutter oil production, they admit they have no way of distinguishing legitimate cooking oil from gutter oil. Unless companies are caught in the act, there’s no way of determining whether a restaurant is using new or used oil.

Gutter oil production is clearly big business in China: a 2011 crackdown on gutter oil production saw police deal with 128 cases and 60,000 tonnes of gutter oil over a period of four months. It’s frequently referred to as an “open secret” in the restaurant industry in China.

https://www.foodprocessing.com.au/content/ingredients/article/gutter-oil-out-of-the-sewer-and-into-the-frying-pan-782655007

suck my woke dick posted:

do they not have an analytical chemist over there

Stereotype posted:

my function generator has usb-b for control. I’m not excited for learning the api if it even exists.

DJ Commie posted:

since its chinachat its an knockoff knockoff prolific chip or a knockoff³ ftdi chip pre-bricked for your convenience

Progressive JPEG posted:

has anyone said infiniband yet



v satisfying to have a handle on your connector

or how about sfp




anyway thats the extent of my mid 2000s ~enterprise~ connector memory cya

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

FTDI worked with Microsoft to push a driver update that killed hardware that uses counterfeit chips

Partycat posted:

it works over short distances iirc with massive issues due to core size mismatch

Progressive JPEG posted:

anyway thats the extent of my mid 2000s ~enterprise~ connector memory cya

NoneMoreNegative posted:

mod petition: change this thread to ‘The Connector Thread’ and post your favourite deprecated and edgecase connectors.

Djeser posted:

r u ready to WALK posted:

Has anything ever got plugged into one of those?

longview posted:

I don't think I've ever seen a "legit" FTDI chip. Not even stuff made by Agilent/Keysight had legit ICs in them.

When your supply chain management is so bad that nobody can even get legit chips then you've hosed up as a company.

Djeser posted:

Shaggar posted:

its absolutely racist to assume because its Chinese it will be inferior when it would be just as likely to be inferior if it was American made. its fud spread by dongle makers like apple who don't want you buying superior, cheaper cables from better manufacturers.

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

china is a one-party state marked by endemic corruption. the court systems do not function for any foreign party, or any suit with a particularly well-connected defendant. it is routine for unscrupulous dealers to contaminate the domestic food supply, to say nothing of consumer goods made for export

Sagebrush posted:

in chinese business, whether because of apathy or cultural inertia or corruption, you can generally always find someone who's willing to sell you a hammer for 390 dollars per 1000-units, shrugging and doing whatever they have to do to meet that price point. it will be cheap, and it will be lovely, but americans seem to really struggle with "you get what you pay for," for some reason.

Djeser posted:

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

there are going to be a minimum of 3 different form factors for the next generation of ethernet, that will be fun

apparently heatsink needs are now way too big to fit into ye olde sfp form factor

nong posted:

shaggar, bsd and sagebrush, ya'll so so wrong and racist for lumping the taiwanese and chinese together

because pretty much ALL of the so called 'chinese manufacturing' are actually taiwanese corps that has factories in china using cheap chinese labors, they are passable because those taiwanese corps managing the factories and acting as gatekeepers/qa/qc

nong posted:

shaggar, bsd and sagebrush, ya'll so so wrong and racist for lumping the taiwanese and chinese together

because pretty much ALL of the so called 'chinese manufacturing' are actually taiwanese corps that has factories in china using cheap chinese labors, they are passable because those taiwanese corps managing the factories and acting as gatekeepers/qa/qc

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

luv 2 have these grab on to the usb cable so hard that I can only remove it with pliers

Rock My Socks! posted:

a lady in my office insists on plugging these guys into esata/usb ports