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You know, looking at those Shadow Hearts screenshots... yeah I was right to remember that Shadow Hearts didn't look much better than Koudelka, despite being on the PS2. Koudelka had a much higher budget though, at least if the buttloads of voice acting and a fmv every five feet is to be believed. (Although I think even at the time the fmvs didn't look that great, but it wasn't considered terrible.)
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Camel Pimp posted:You know, looking at those Shadow Hearts screenshots... yeah I was right to remember that Shadow Hearts didn't look much better than Koudelka, despite being on the PS2. Koudelka had a much higher budget though, at least if the buttloads of voice acting and a fmv every five feet is to be believed. (Although I think even at the time the fmvs didn't look that great, but it wasn't considered terrible.) I'd say there's an improvement in most ways, except for model animations. Koudelka's cutscenes have a lot of motion capture, whereas SH1 relies on a lot of canned animations (and Yuri's torso seemingly disconnected from the rest of his model when he runs). I much prefer SH1's pre-rendered backgrounds to Koudelka's, though.
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Jun 15, 2018 22:50
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SH1 was originally planned to be a PS1 game as well.
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Accordion Man posted:SH1 was originally planned to be a PS1 game as well. yeah, iirc it was a fairly early PS2 game, the graphics weren't that much better at the start.
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It's also kind of funny that the Bad Ending strongly hints that despite all the cosmic horrors, otherworldy terrors, and other Lovecraftian and Gothic trappings, God exists in the Shadow Hearts universe and is good in a genre where God tends to be a humongous rear end in a top hat.
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If anyone's going to manage to justify pulling off a literal deus ex machina it'd be The Bishop, too.
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Accordion Man posted:It's also kind of funny that the Bad Ending strongly hints that despite all the cosmic horrors, otherworldy terrors, and other Lovecraftian and Gothic trappings, God exists in the Shadow Hearts universe and is good in a genre where God tends to be a humongous rear end in a top hat. That seriously makes me wonder if God and Meta-God are the same, since the bestiary description for the latter says that it's been worshipped by people as God, or if it's just another inconsistency when Kikuta left.
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Jun 16, 2018 01:00
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If they'd ever had to explain it, they'd have gone with the cross James had being a very powerful magical artifact.
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Shitenshi posted:That seriously makes me wonder if God and Meta-God are the same, since the bestiary description for the latter says that it's been worshipped by people as God, or if it's just another inconsistency when Kikuta left. Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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Fantastic LP to a fantastic game, thank you.Accordion Man posted:Don't think so, Meta-God is just supposed to be a sufficiently advanced alien that people thought was a god. Albert Simon claims its God, but he's not the most reliable source. Yeah, the general use of "god" in that case is exactly that. A creature so far beyond what humans could do it can only really be described as a god for people to adequately understand the power they face.
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One thing to note is that Shadow Hearts is a TON longer than Koudelka as well. They would've bankrupted themselves if they did Koudelka-quality voice acting and capture on Shadow Hearts. It's a bit of a pity, but in exchange you get a game whose core systems aren't actively unfun to play from the outset and that still has a lot of love put into its writing and atmosphere.
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Accordion Man posted:Don't think so, Meta-God is just supposed to be a sufficiently advanced alien that people thought was a god. Albert Simon claims its God, but he's not the most reliable source. I'm not sure if Albert claiming it's God is a translation error or not. Either way, SH2 makes it extremely clear that Meta-God is not capital-G God. Yuri calls it a "god from beyond the stars", and makes a comment about not being sure if God exists or not.
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Night10194 posted:If anyone's going to manage to justify pulling off a literal deus ex machina it'd be The Bishop, too. But he was too late. The lady Elaine saw the light.
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What if Drakengard was a weird horror JRPG
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Screaming Idiot posted:What if Drakengard was a weird horror JRPG It'd probably have an even more obtuse and impenetrable battle system than Koudelka
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Nimsant posted:At first, I thought I can't even do one part like this. TBH, I wanted to give pt. 5 and 6 only as a short summary as well, but the detailed critique from EagerSleeper changed my mind. Well hey, still thank you very much for what you've done for us by providing first-hand accounts about what the CDs contain. If my critiques have helped before, then let me go ahead and offer some more! This time if it helps, I'll try and add in some word contractions to help out with giving a more colloquial feel to the dialogue. Word contractions are optional, but they're the little touch that makes a translation accurate to how native speakers tend to talk in daily life. I'll also try to explain the reasons behind the critiques, because hopefully it might help. Let's begin! pure beauty posted:No grammatical stuff here to comment on, but oh my goddddd  I almost choked on my drink from laughter, oh lord.quote:
This one is completely optional, but I'd probably go with "Elaine did too" to remove any ambiguity. Sometimes people tend to naturally drop words when speaking, but here I think that the extra word would make it more clear. quote:
"I loved her. That's why I felt I didn't want to lose to you." Okay, fun fact: I'll be completely honest here but contracting "that is" to "that's" is completely optional here, because it depends on what tone of voice you want to give Patrick. If he's speaking naturally or off the cuff, contractions. If he's being ghostly, poetic, very somber, academic, or calculated, no contractions. Choosing to enunciate and properly pronounce each word is a decision that could go either way here with the final words of a dead guy. That's the real reason why contractions are a big deal in writing casual speech, or academic papers. Changing "I thought I do not want to lose to you" to "I felt I didn't want to lose to you" is because most of the time people wouldn't phrase it that way. It's kind of sounded like Patrick was quoting himself ("I thought to myself at that moment, 'I don't want to lose to you'"). It's possible he was, I'm not sure, but just in case I suggested the alternative way to phrase it. quote:
"When she was killed, I searched for a way to resurrect her. I'm sorry" Just have to change it to past tense, no biggie.  "I wanted to make Elaine, who you abandoned, happy." When talking about a person, it would be best to say "who". Using "that" as a pronoun is mostly reserved for animals and objects.quote:
Maybe "I'm just a coward like you (are)," or "I'm just as coward(ly) as you (are)." Everything in the parentheses is optional to add or drop. To be totally honest, maybe this one was already fine as is grammar-wise? Something gives me the feeling that it should probably be in past tense since Patrick may be talking about how he acted then, so maybe "I was just as much a coward as you (are)." quote:
I've seen the term "psychic impression" get used in other stories dealing with the paranormal, but I wonder if it'd be close enough to the Japanese term. Also changing to "So here is?" to "So this is...?" or "So where we're at is...?" is the traditional way of phrasing that sort of incomplete question. quote:
"The space vanished." Just a little past tense needed. "But it's alright. However happy the moment is, it will surely pass and be no more." For some reason, it's more natural in English to phrase the words that way, but it's completely grammatically correct the way you've put it, so it's an optional critique.  By the way, what did James mean by "And you two?" Were there two Elaines, one of his memories, one of her spirit? That's the only part that confused me.quote:
Normally there's no reason to put an article in front of "talking," which would turn a verb into a gerund (e.g. "I'm tired of all the yelling, the screaming, and the running away from bears-- I need a break!"), but all considering how smarmy Bacon is, maybe this isn't a grammar mistake at all. Maybe he's just really casually diminutive towards all that psychic stuff that just happened.  An alternative way to write this though would be "So, have you finished talking (yet)?"quote:
"So what will you do?" is the usual way that sort of question gets asked. Meanwhile on the second matter here, it seems like Bacon was expecting James to go ahead and indulge in some good old necromancy  , so perhaps then to make it less ambiguous, "Although just a bit, I had been expecting/anticipating you to say otherwise." quote:
I have no critique on this part, because honestly I'm very surprised by what I heard in the drama CD, and I'm impressed on what it decided to expand on. I just want to say once more thank you for the wonderful job you've done in providing a translation for what's it contained. I've enjoyed it thoroughly.  I'm going to try and add your translations, and summaries to the youtube videos in the next couple of days. Also, I think Elaine knowing about Koudelka's past maybe from that one time she decided to jump in on Koudelka and Alicia airing-out-there-horrible-lives party, so that's the minimum amount of time she's been involved with Koudelka. However, there's always the possibility that there's nothing else to do when you're a disembodied soul other than wait for anybody psychic enough to hear you to be born...  I have another post I want to make, but I'll save that one for tomorrow! EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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That's wrong! I had no choice. I wanted to turn back and embrace her right away."
Elaine too."
A residual thought? <she actually says a term, that Japanese wikipedia defines as a spiritual phenomena, when a thought or emotion was so strong, it stayed attached to a thing or a place, so that psychics like koudelka can feel it> So here is?
This is a shard of memory. It doesn't last long. But it is (it's) alright. However happy is the moment, it will surely pass and be no more. Farewell. James, Koudelka
So, have you finished the talking?
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Fun trip. I always wondered what this game was all about, and this really explains why it's talked about so fondly. I think my favorite thing is how the characters react to being horror protagonists by just plugging along and getting poo poo done, while maintaining this weirdly uncomfortable yet entertaining chemistry. It's well written, and the drama, when it emerges, never overstays it's welcome. Thanks for another great ride, TDI!
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EagerSleeper posted:If my critiques have helped before, then let me go ahead and offer some more! Thanks a lot! There are many tips in your text that I will put to use from now on. EagerSleeper posted:"The space vanished." Just a little past tense needed. "But it's alright. However happy the moment is, it will surely pass and be no more." For some reason, it's more natural in English to phrase the words that way, but it's completely grammatically correct the way you've put it, so it's an optional critique. There should definitely be present tense. Maybe "the space is vanishing" would sound better. And yes, "what happened" question just before that was past tense. James shouts 'you' in the plural form. Elaine answers with "we" so I added "two" to make that it clear the plural is in the question as well. I guess from the context that he means Elaine and Patrick. Now that I tried to transcribe some dialogue myself, I appreciate LP authors even more. It takes a lot of typing, editing, and proofreading to make a decent post.
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EagerSleeper posted:"I wanted to make Elaine, who you abandoned, happy." When talking about a person, it would be best to say "who". Using "that" as a pronoun is mostly reserved for animals and objects. Wellllll... Technically, it should be "I wanted to make Elaine, whom you abandoned, happy." "Who" is the subject pronoun (analogous to "he" or "she"), whereas "whom" is the object pronoun (analogous to "him" or "her"). You would say "you abandoned her," not "you abandoned she." Native speakers who aren't pedants like I am often fail to use "whom" correctly, though, so when you're talking about writing dialogue, it's arguably optional. Hell, people are using "that" to refer to people more and more, too. It drives me crazy every time I watch TV and hear someone say something about a person "that" did something. EagerSleeper posted:"The space vanished." Just a little past tense needed. "But it's alright. However happy the moment is, it will surely pass and be no more." For some reason, it's more natural in English to phrase the words that way, but it's completely grammatically correct the way you've put it, so it's an optional critique. Similarly, "alright" really isn't a word - it should be "all right" - but that one also seems to be a losing battle. Nimsant posted:There should definitely be present tense. Maybe "the space is vanishing" would sound better. I would say yes, you want to use "is vanishing" there. Usually "is [verb]ing" is better for talking about a specific action currently in progress, whereas the simple present tense is better for a statement that is generally true and doesn't refer to any particular time (e.g., "I am reading the newspaper" means that I'm in the process of doing so right now, whereas "I read the newspaper" means that reading the newspaper is a thing that I do from time to time... though now that I look at this example again, I suppose I should have picked one where the past- and present-tense forms of the verb aren't spelled the same  ). The major exception to this is a first-person present-tense narrative, like a first-person short story or novel that is written in the present tense.And now that I've been dragged out of lurking by grammar chat, thanks for this LP, TDI, and thank you for the translations of the drama CDs, Nimsant! This is a fascinating game that I have no desire to play myself, which is always the very best kind of LP to read. Confused Llama fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Confused Llama posted:Native speakers who aren't pedants like I am often fail to use "whom" correctly, though, so when you're talking about writing dialogue, it's arguably optional. Hell, people are using "that" to refer to people more and more, too. Thank you! It is great to have two opinions from native speakers. I remember that in my English textbook there was something like "use 'which' for inanimate, use 'who/whom' for animate, if not sure, use 'that' or just skip it, you won't be much wrong". So I understand no one is going to kill me for typing alright to people who are native English speakers, but I guess you're right that it matters when I don't say the words myself, but transcribe the words of Irish characters.
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Nimsant posted:At first, I thought I can't even do one part like this. TBH, I wanted to give pt. 5 and 6 only as a short summary as well, but the detailed critique from EagerSleeper changed my mind. This is cool and interesting. I'll keep the thread open if you wanna finish up. Heck, I can even link it to the OP so it'll get archived alongside the thread eventually. In other news, unless something disastrous happens a new LP should start in the next few days. I don't think anyone actually watched to the end of that last ending video...
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Well, I did but didn't wanna break any of the rules you laid out in the op
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I thought that was just part of the ending.... a real vague "epilogue". Oops.
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I just had no idea what it was and the only game that involves a train that comes to mind is RE0... and you've already done that.
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Well, there WAS that train at the start of FFVII...! In all seriousness, thanks for another great LP, TDI!
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Hey, I recognize that train and that dapper looking fellow...
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I didn't actually watch any of the videos this LP since the internet in my new place is complete poo poo, but I went back and watched that last one and now I am super pumped! The archived LP for that game is amazing on its own, but I can't wait to see your take on things.
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I'm assuming it's Shadow Hearts and have paused my trip through the archives accordingly.
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Does the train get suplexed? Asking for a friend.
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I am over the moon about TDI’s next LP. One of those secret RPG gems.
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Holy gently caress, I didn't realize that there was that extra part at the end of the video. Things are going to get... interesting.  I'd like to say thank you to the Dark Id, and everyone who made this thread wonderful with entertaining facts, and great humor.  Oh, and also, I can't find the post in particular about Elaine's soul coming back to her body for just a moment. Since Elaine's spirit was trapped on Earth due to Patrick's horrible experiments with her corpse, I think with the corpse finally being destroyed the link between body and soul came together for the moment it took to experience true death at last. Confused Llama posted:Very wonderful grammar chat Haha, I admit I'm not perfect when it comes to grammar and proper English, but I try. Thank you for correcting me, and for showing that even native speakers still have room for improvement.  Nimsant posted:Using contractions and being cool Making me proud here. 
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The Dark Id posted:In other news, unless something disastrous happens a new LP should start in the next few days. I don't think anyone actually watched to the end of that last ending video... Now that you mention it, I didn't. And I think I'd rather look forward to being surprised by the next game. Great job on this LP, by the way. I had a lot of fun reading it, and I'm glad to finally learn about Koudelka and all its weirdness.
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curiousCat posted:I'm assuming it's Shadow Hearts and have paused my trip through the archives accordingly. 
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The Dark Id posted:This is cool and interesting. I'll keep the thread open if you wanna finish up. Heck, I can even link it to the OP so it'll get archived alongside the thread eventually. Now I just have to do it haha The Youtube subtitle editing engine seems alright and so I have sent some English subtitles to part 1 of the Drama CD. It says it should be approved by the video uploader and Youtube specialists before it's published. Let's see how this works. I will edit them for BBcode and post here today too I think
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I remember the old kethryveris LP, but ten years certainly did it a disservice; lots of missing images and Viddler obliterated the videos. Looking forward to this one and the inevitable follow-up.
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drat. Sorry TDI - I didn't watch the end of the video to realise that was what you were doing - I wouldn't have posted the SH things otherwise. Looking forward to you going through it though
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I definitely recognized it as SH1's opening but I figured it was just a "and the story goes on from there..." sorta deal. Mostly since I thought you expressly said you wouldn't do the later games in the OP. Though now that I look at it it says "I don’t have plans at the moment to LP all the Shadow Hearts games" so I guess I must've either misunderstood it or that part got edited later. Did you maybe change your mind along the way?
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I am looking forward to a revisiting of Yuri's wild ghost punching adventure.
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